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Originally Posted by OreoCookie View Post
His hearing is public, so why do you use hypotheticals here? Sessions attributes crime spikes in certain urban centers to “cops who are afraid to do their job”. (see also here for a more rounded summary).


How is the DoJ supposed to lay the cards on the table without making an investigation? From a political perspective, the necessity of a federal probe is already a punishment in and of itself, if the DoJ initiates an investigation, it's by definition public (at the very least some info will leak to the press). The large-scale investigation was prompted by the results of the DoJ looking into one specific case.

That sounds pretty reasonable: instead of making wild accusations, they started with one specific case where the misconduct could have been due to just one individual. But the investigation brought facts to light that indicated a pattern, which initiated a larger investigation. Session's argument seems to be that just looking into wrongdoing has a negative impact on morale and should therefore be avoided.
I didn't say there shouldn't be an investigation. An investigation (or investigations) leaking to the press is different than the DoJ going to the press.

I used a hypothetical because the meaning behind what people say in a hearing is rarely contained within a single interpretation.
     
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Jan 18, 2017, 10:52 AM
 
From some of clips I watched Devos didn't come off all that well prepared. Her answer on disabilities education rights was falling but underscores my problem with charter schools: Taxpayer money with little to no oversight or responsibility.

Her dodging for-profit colleges responsibility for giving out degrees that get employment was predictable.

Her main defense of voucher programs was extremely troubling; Essentially she sees having choice as more important than actual outcome.
     
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Jan 18, 2017, 12:43 PM
 
She lacks listening comprehension and ability to follow directions. Recommend she be remanded back to grade school.

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Jan 18, 2017, 06:01 PM
 
Id like to see someone read her questions from basic exam papers for 12 year olds.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.458b6c4677c2

Kaine: “If confirmed, will you insist upon equal accountability in any K-12 school or educational program that receives taxpayer funding whether public, public charter or private?”
DeVos: “I support accountability.”
Kaine: “Equal accountability?”
DeVos: “I support accountability.”
Kaine: “Is that a yes or a no?”
DeVos: “I support accountability.”
Kaine: “Do you not want to answer my question?”
DeVos: “I support accountability.”
Kaine: “Let me ask you this. I think all schools that receive taxpayer funding should be equally accountable. Do you agree?”
DeVos: “Well they don’t, they are not today.”
Kaine: “Well, I think they should. Do you agree with me?"
DeVos: “Well, no.”

...and that's a big reason why charter schools are bullshit.
     
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Jan 18, 2017, 11:23 PM
 
^^^

Precisely.

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Jan 18, 2017, 11:25 PM
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/18/u...=tw-share&_r=1
When President-elect Donald J. Trump offered Rick Perry the job of energy secretary five weeks ago, Mr. Perry gladly accepted, believing he was taking on a role as a global ambassador for the American oil and gas industry that he had long championed in his home state.

In the days after, Mr. Perry, the former Texas governor, discovered that he would be no such thing — that in fact, if confirmed by the Senate, he would become the steward of a vast national security complex he knew almost nothing about, caring for the most fearsome weapons on the planet, the United States’ nuclear arsenal.
Great, so Perry selected another Devos, completely under qualified for his job, only this time job is being in charge of nukes.
     
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Jan 19, 2017, 12:03 AM
 
Well this is the same dude that offered Dr. Ben Carson ... a world renowned neurosurgeon ... the Housing & Urban Development position instead of Health & Human Services or even Surgeon General. Imagine that.

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Jan 19, 2017, 08:29 AM
 
To be fair I wouldn't let Carson operate on an action figure, let alone my brain. I don't care how good people say he is.


Its becoming clearer that that Trump's plan is to install his capitalist cronies, destroy the public sector, privatise it all to "fix it", and award all the contracts to their own companies and interests.
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Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
To be fair I wouldn't let Carson operate on an action figure, let alone my brain. I don't care how good people say he is.
That's not surprising, you take your religion too seriously.
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Jan 19, 2017, 12:04 PM
 
Originally Posted by Steven Mnuchin
Nothing could be farther than the truth.
Well, you're not wrong.
     
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Well, you're not wrong.
I missed this. What happened?
     
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Jan 19, 2017, 12:37 PM
 
Just a little verbal slip.

I think he meant to say "nothing could be farther from the truth", not than the truth.
     
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Jan 19, 2017, 12:39 PM
 
I'm generally against the "funny" mangling of people's names, but I'm going to have trouble resisting Munchkin.
     
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Jan 19, 2017, 02:23 PM
 
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/1...ww.google.com/
Steven Mnuchin, Treasury Nominee, Failed to Disclose $100 Million in Assets

Considering he owned a company that foreclosed on an old lady over twenty-odd cents, I think it only fair to **** him over for forgetting $100 mil.

But I may be biased.
     
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How deplorable! Sec. Kelly does the sign of the cross as he sworn in as Sec. of Homeland Security.
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That's not surprising, you take your religion too seriously.
Its not just that. The guy always seems like he's half asleep. I'd be afraid he'd forget where he was or doze off half way through surgery.
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Jan 31, 2017, 12:38 PM
 
Devos is in. 12-11.

It goes to full Senate now, but I don't have much hope. Susan Collins...

(also, just saying the sign of the cross doesn't mean you're not deplorable. Lots of people make themselves feel better about being horrible by going to church.)
     
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Jan 31, 2017, 12:45 PM
 
She's clearly unqualified but no one has the nuts to piss off trump. Wonder if any of these guys will make money of charter schools.
     
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Jan 31, 2017, 01:40 PM
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/power...=.6f8ebe78be37

If true, that's plagiarism, as well as off the charts irony considering the position she's been nominated for. If this were school she'd get a failing grade.
     
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Jan 31, 2017, 01:50 PM
 
In her schools it'll be fine.
     
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Jan 31, 2017, 03:24 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
She's clearly unqualified but no one has the nuts to piss off trump. Wonder if any of these guys will make money of charter schools.
Yeah, supplying them with Amway products. I bet Chucky is a Platinum.
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We've got a Secretary of State! Still have no idea what his qualifications are, other than having the Russian order of friendship.
     
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Feb 1, 2017, 10:05 PM
 
I'm hearing DeVos might be the one that doesn't get in now. Two Republicans are willing to vote against her apparently.

She reminds me of Dolores Umbridge from Harry Potter.
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Apparently if it goes 50/50, Pence is the tiebreaker. So the dems need to find one more sane person.
     
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I'm hearing DeVos might be the one that doesn't get in now. Two Republicans are willing to vote against her apparently.

She reminds me of Dolores Umbridge from Harry Potter.
More like NEA putting the screws to them.
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Apparently if it goes 50/50, Pence is the tiebreaker. So the dems need to find one more sane person.
They had to rejigger the vote so Sessions could participate otherwise she'd already be DOA. Toomey might be the one to watch.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
They had to rejigger the vote so Sessions could participate otherwise she'd already be DOA. Toomey might be the one to watch.
Word is Toomey is in hiding.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
We've got a Secretary of State! Still have no idea what his qualifications are, other than having the Russian order of friendship.
What's the argument for not being pals with Russia?

I mean, that would suck for the Ukrainians, but we seem to let things sucking for the Tibetans slide when it comes to China.

And the Chinese when it comes to China for that matter. My iPhone was built by what amounts to indentured servants. How about yours?
     
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
What's the argument for not being pals with Russia?

I mean, that would suck for the Ukrainians, but we seem to let things sucking for the Tibetans slide when it comes to China.

And the Chinese when it comes to China for that matter. My iPhone was built by what amounts to indentured servants. How about yours?
Bit of a time difference there, ol' chap.
     
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Feb 7, 2017, 12:17 PM
 
Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
Apparently if it goes 50/50, Pence is the tiebreaker. So the dems need to find one more sane person.
Word now seems to be she was never in danger of losing. The GOP reps were 'allowed' to rebel since they had the votes. I'm skeptical of the latter, but it is worth noting at least one of the most gave devos a yes in committee despite agreeing she was unqualified.

I've also seen at least one senator comment that he has serious reservations but she should get a chance because the president should get his first choice. My eyes about rolled out of their sockets.
     
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Feb 7, 2017, 12:40 PM
 
Meanwhile, over at the N.E.A national office:
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Well, that's that.
     
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Feb 7, 2017, 01:49 PM
 
Anyway, seeing as she was the only nominee who's shittiness was agreed upon across party lines I think the rest of it is a foregone conclusion.
     
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Dumb question but is it fairly common for nominees to have donated to several of the people voting on them?

Certainly Devos' donation amounts aren't heart stopping but they're not nothing, either.
     
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Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
Meanwhile, over at the N.E.A national office:
Have you even given an opinion on whether you think she's qualified?
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Dumb question but is it fairly common for nominees to have donated to several of the people voting on them?

Certainly Devos' donation amounts aren't heart stopping but they're not nothing, either.
I think for someone that rich it's pretty easy for her/her family to spray around $50k per senator just to have them in pocket. Probably lots of rich people do. The total I saw just for the senators was around $950k. Then there's what she donated to Trump himself, superPacs, etc...

For all you folks who cried out BUT SOROS PAID THEM (protesters, not that it's true), how do you feel about DEVOS PAYING THEM (senators)?
For all you folks who cried out HILLARY PAY FOR PLAY, how do you feel about DEVOS PAY FOR PLAY?

I do not expect a reply.
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Right but my question is more a matter of frequency. Is this normal or is this unheard of, or somewhere in between?
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Have you even given an opinion on whether you think she's qualified?
She's as qualified as Sibelius was for HHS Sec.
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She's as qualified as Sibelius was for HHS Sec.
Are you shitting me? Have you looked at her Wikipedia page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Sebelius

Past accomplishments don't guarantee future results, I'm not claiming that she excelled in her HHS position, but past accomplishments are better than nothing. What are Devos' accomplishments in the education realm?

Honestly dude, do you think for yourself or just defend whatever your party and/or religion does/says? It's okay to have political opinions that stray from the Republican base. It's okay to say that Donald Trump is a shitty human being, incompetent, and his nominees suck? This doesn't even require making the concession that Hillary would have been a better choice for president.

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She's as qualified as Sibelius was for HHS Sec.
As always you dodge the question and/or do a false equivalency. It's a yes/no question, though you're welcome to add caveats.

Is Devos qualified for her position?
     
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Devos' background:

- Michigan comitteewoman and chairwomen: okay, not specific to education, but something
- fundraising: not a thing
- business connections: not a thing
- advocacy for voucher programs and school choice: okay, but grounded in what educational background?

Sebelius:

- Kansas house: not specific to HHS, but something
- Kansas Insurance Commissioner for nearly 10 years: a definite thing
- Governor of Kansas: also a thing, and a higher political ranking than comitteewoman/chairwoman

Also, you are deflecting Chongo.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
As always you dodge the question and/or do a false equivalency. It's a yes/no question, though you're welcome to add caveats.

Is Devos qualified for her position?
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Devos' background:

- Michigan comitteewoman and chairwomen: okay, not specific to education, but something
- fundraising: not a thing
- business connections: not a thing
- advocacy for voucher programs and school choice: okay, but grounded in what educational background?

Sebelius:

- Kansas house: not specific to HHS, but something
- Kansas Insurance Commissioner for nearly 10 years: a definite thing
- Governor of Kansas: also a thing, and a higher political ranking than committeewoman/chairwoman

Also, you are deflecting Chongo.
DeVos advocacy of vouchers is what set the NEA on her. Word is they worked on Murkowski and Collins.

Sibelius' main qualification for HHS sec was she is hard core pro abortion, so much she is one of the few politicians that has been publicly barred from reception of Communion.
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Feb 7, 2017, 05:49 PM
 
Here I thought you were being sarcastic with your NEA comments, you are serious? Does NEA stand for something aside from National Endowment for the Arts? If not, you mean dancers and artists are behind the scenes manipulating government?

Wha?
Anyway...

What are DeVos qualifications? Education? Experience? or does the only issue, skill, or qualification that matters to you, is abortion?
     
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Not sure I've ever asked/noticed, Chongo are you a believer in the Theory of Evolution?
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Sibelius' main qualification for HHS sec was she is hard core pro abortion
I'm assuming you have some evidence to support this?
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so much she is one of the few politicians that has been publicly barred from reception of Communion.
I understand that you disagree with her morally and politically, but we do not live in a theocracy. Being barred from communion has no bearing on her qualifications for office.

I do not like Jeff Sessions one bit. I don't respect his morals or his politics. I, however, recognise that due to his experience, he is qualified for the office of Attorney General.
     
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yes
Ah, there it is.

Is there a qualification that stands out for you in particular?
     
 
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