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The Final Dakar
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Jan 14, 2018, 12:10 AM
 
New thread for a new year to contain the new crazy

Does he have any positions?
Tuesday:
DEM: “let’s do a clean daca bill”
TRUMP: ok
GOP: uh you don’t want that

Today:
TV: “let’s oppose this FISA law”
TRUMP: ok
TRUMP, a bit later: uh, i don’t want that

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.2edadc89b4af
The scene played out hurriedly in the morning. Graham and Durbin thought they would be meeting with Trump alone and were surprised to find immigration hard-liners such as Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) and Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) at the meeting. White House and Capitol Hill aides say Stephen Miller, the president’s top immigration official, was concerned there could be a deal proposed that was too liberal and made sure conservative lawmakers were present.
It's comforting to know that the only thing standing between a Trump and a deal, is Stephen 'Worm-tongue' Miller doing his best to derail the damn thing.
     
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Jan 14, 2018, 12:26 AM
 


Trump's America



Edit: I forgot, they had a press release that hyped Trump's physical exam as 'excellent' and signed by the physician, spelling his name wrong.
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Jan 14, 2018, 12:30 PM
 
All I know is, with the midterms this year, my local tv is going to be damned near unwatchable with all the super-PAC ads that will be flooding in.
     
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Jan 14, 2018, 10:02 PM
 
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All I know is, with the midterms this year, my local tv is going to be damned near unwatchable with all the super-PAC ads that will be flooding in.
You still watch TV you luddite?
     
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Jan 14, 2018, 10:04 PM
 
I've been trying to figure out the angle on this extremely tedious and meaningless stand the admin is taking against the WSJ quote on 'I' vs 'I'd' and my conclusion is this is an amateur hour attempt at trying to change the story from 'shithole'. There are far dumber things they've let slide in the past, from much less kind publications for this to be real.
     
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Jan 15, 2018, 05:34 PM
 
Do we have opinions on the pornstar thing? It's seems to be a tangled mess of NDAs and an amount of women I can't keep track of because all porn names sound the same.
     
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Jan 15, 2018, 05:46 PM
 
^^^^

It's Trump. And entirely not surprising.

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Jan 15, 2018, 06:42 PM
 
It's the WSJ, so no claims of MSM bias. I think Cohen(?) issued a non-denial denial. My best read is one person is under NDA, another was going to come out on a morning show but pulled out and is under NDA, a third person was relayed some of it at the time was happening and maybe there's a fourth who's not under NDA?

The timing also puts it as having occurred a few months after Barron was born.
     
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Jan 18, 2018, 09:33 PM
 
Accidentally posted this in the old thread:
Let's not lose sight of Trump paying off a porn-star and no one batting an eyelash.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-l...els-1516315731

President Donald Trump’s lawyer used a private Delaware company to pay a former adult-film star $130,000 in return for her agreeing to not publicly discuss an alleged sexual encounter with Mr. Trump, according to corporate records and people familiar with the matter.

The lawyer, Michael Cohen, established Essential Consultants LLC, on Oct. 17, 2016, just before the 2016 presidential election, corporate documents show. Mr. Cohen, who is based in New York, then used a bank account linked to the entity to send the payment to the client-trust account of a lawyer representing the woman, Stephanie Clifford, one of the people said.

Mr. Cohen’s decision to establish the company in Delaware offered him privacy and simplicity, hallmarks of a state that has attracted more than one million business entities. Unlike some states, Delaware doesn’t require companies to publicly disclose the names of their managers. In October 2016, the month Mr. Cohen created the entity used in the deal with Ms. Clifford, Delaware officials recorded 10,574 new limited liability companies.
Mr. Cohen and his lawyer didn’t respond to emails Thursday seeking comment.

The Journal previously reported that Ms. Clifford, 38 years old, had been in talks with ABC’s “Good Morning America” in the fall of 2016 about an appearance to discuss Mr. Trump, according to people familiar with the matter.

Mr. Cohen last week sent the Journal a two-paragraph statement by email addressed “TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN” and signed by “Stormy Daniels” denying that she had a “sexual and/or romantic affair” with Mr. Trump. “Rumors that I have received hush money from Donald Trump are completely false,” the statement said.

Ms. Clifford didn’t respond to a request for comment Thursday and didn’t respond to several emails seeking comment last week.
So InTouch weekly dropped their 2011 interview leading to the question, why didn't they drop it during 2016? Did they find it unbelievable? Were they afraid of a libel suit?

It appears Fox News also found out but spiked the story.
     
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Jan 19, 2018, 09:38 PM
 
https://apnews.com/6bb9533272744928b5d2d6050c72be09
In Touch magazine published its 5,000-word interview with the pornographic actor Stormy Daniels on Friday — more than six years after Trump’s long-time attorney, Michael Cohen, sent an email to In Touch’s general counsel saying Trump would aggressively pursue legal action if the story was printed, according to emails described to the AP by the former employees.
     
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Jan 20, 2018, 03:04 PM
 
So it's official, we are shut down.

Up to 800,000 federal workers were told to stay home after the White House and Congress failed to strike a compromise on a government spending bill. Workers deemed essential and armed forces personnel were asked to stay at work. If the shutdown continues, they will likely work unpaid.

With crisis talks under way, Trump cancelled a trip to his Florida retreat at Mar-a-Lago, where he had hoped to celebrate his year in office at a gala dinner.

Instead, as protesters marked their own anniversary of major anti-Trump demonstrations outside the White House and in other major cities, the president stayed in Washington, firing off angry tweets.
Apparently it's those inflexible Dems, refusing to be screwed over. Certainly not the inflexible Reps, who want do undo everything positive done during Obama. Oh, and give tax cuts to the rich, and get into some more wars.

I'd rather they had a shutdown fight over surveillance reform more than DACA. But section 702 got reauthorized with little debate, as usual.
     
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Jan 20, 2018, 06:08 PM
 
https://twitter.com/Limericking/stat...54070805241856
Mr. Trump & his children appear
On magazine covers each year.
For pleasure, we’re told,
Some issues are rolled
And used to admonish his rear
     
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https://twitter.com/CREWcrew/status/955827857221193728
President Trump is accused of paying $130,000 in hush money to porn star Stormy Daniels to hide an affair a month before the election. In what is probably just a coincidence, the Trump campaign transferred $130K to the Trump businesses a month after the election.
It is probably a coincidence, but seeing as Cohen wasn't dumb enough to hide his name on the LLC, this kind of stupidity is plausible.



https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...daniels-216498
“We kind of gave him—‘All right, you get a mulligan. You get a do-over here,’” Perkins told me in an interview for the latest episode of POLITICO’s Off Message podcast.

Evangelical Christians, says Perkins, “were tired of being kicked around by Barack Obama and his leftists. And I think they are finally glad that there’s somebody on the playground that is willing to punch the bully.”

What happened to turning the other cheek? I ask.

“You know, you only have two cheeks,” Perkins says. “Look, Christianity is not all about being a welcome mat which people can just stomp their feet on.”
The evangelical reaction, according to Perkins, was “‘Look, I agree with [Trump]. I can’t stand John McCain.’ I think that’s what people were connecting with.”

He acknowledged that doesn’t seem very Christian, “but again, I think this president, in his authenticity, is what has connected with people.”

As long as Trump doesn’t disappoint evangelicals politically, Perkins predicts, they’ll stick with him. “Whenever the policy stops, and his administration reverts to just personality,” he adds, “that’s where I believe the president will be in trouble.”
"We don't agree with everything he says, just the way he says it!" My ass. It turns out evangelicals are giant assholes.
     
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Yesterday, 09:54 PM
 
Even if Cohen and Trump weren't overly competent, this raised the question how they knew how to quietly pay off people. Seems like they have done this before.
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Yesterday, 10:07 PM
 
Not the best source, on multiple fronts, but Bannon claimed Trump paid off a hundred women in Wolff's book. Applying some real cynicism, I'd kill his claim by an order of a magnitude and assume that's the upper limit. So maybe 10 at most, though I'd be surprised if it was even 5.

Of course, I'm sure news orgs are combing Delaware LLCs for evidence. You'd think they might have found some by now.
     
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Yesterday, 10:44 PM
 
That's the dangerous thing with “truthiness”: nobody was surprised to hear that Trump had an affair with a porn star and paid her off to keep quiet, because it rings true. And I think most will believe the claim that she wasn't the only one even if we don't know the details. However, we should keep two things in mind: first of all, Steve Bannon is not a reliable source. And more importantly, I don't think the sex lives of politicians should matter. I know, I know, if this were Barack Obama … but we should move forward and contribute to becoming a society where we do not give a sh*t about the sex lives.
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Yesterday, 11:33 PM
 
That's the mind-bender. I don't think it should matter either, (though I'll certainly make some judgements about having sex with a porn star... while newly married... shortly after your child was born..) I'm just flabbergasted at how utterly indifferent the right has been with the revelation.

Trump was 100% right when he said he could murder someone of 5th avenue and not lose support.

20 years from now the history book will be wild. This strange nationalist aberration for whom nothing mattered.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
That's the mind-bender. I don't think it should matter either, (though I'll certainly make some judgements about having sex with a porn star... while newly married... shortly after your child was born..) I'm just flabbergasted at how utterly indifferent the right has been with the revelation.
I wouldn't say indifferent, I would use the word hypocritical and morally shallow. Republicans in Alabama almost elected a pedophile to office simply because he had an R next to his name on the ballot. It is easy to do the right thing when it doesn't cost you anything or you stand to benefit from it. But those aren't the times where morality is needed — that's necessary to do the right thing despite the cost.
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20 years from now the history book will be wild. This strange nationalist aberration for whom nothing mattered.
Are you sure it'll be a blip on the radar of history? If trends continue, it stands to get worse. Outcomes of elections are called into question. There are fewer and fewer universally accepted truths. Everything is framed in terms of good vs. evil, black and white, us vs. the others.

I'm saying this because Trump isn't the cause, he is a symptom of a rot that started decades ago. Even if Trump leaves the office tomorrow, there are enough politicians out there that grew up in the same toxic environment. Trump wasn't the first one to latch onto wild claims of voter fraud or used polarization to win elections. Politicians started to lend credence to statements that are in contradiction to the vast majority of scientific evidence. I'm very concerned about the future of the US.
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