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dvwannabe · Jul 17, 2002, 01:31 PM

will ther be an upgrade discount from OSX 10.1 to 10.2 if you bought it a while ago? I hope so. Otherwise, I can't justify buying a new OS every 6 months.

His Dudeness · Jul 17, 2002, 01:43 PM

THERE HAD BETTER BE!!! I already sent a very nasty feedback email to Apple calling them FSCKING INSANE!!!!!!!!

Nonsuch · Jul 17, 2002, 01:44 PM

I'm waiting to hear how big a discount my coupons will entitle me to.

Macola · Jul 17, 2002, 01:46 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by dvwannabe:
will ther be an upgrade discount from OSX 10.1 to 10.2 if you bought it a while ago? I hope so. Otherwise, I can't justify buying a new OS every 6 months.<hr /></blockquote>Only if you pronounce it "jag-wire"

bil207 · Jul 17, 2002, 01:58 PM

Unless you buy a new mac between July 17 and Oct. 31 it looks like it will cost the full m$129.00

<a href="http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/" target="_blank">http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/</a>

dvwannabe · Jul 17, 2002, 04:23 PM

Just another example of apple screwing its faithful. You get punished for being the first to support their new OS. I guess I'll wait for OSX 10.3 or maybe i'll just "switch" to PC!

Nonsuch · Jul 17, 2002, 04:54 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by dvwannabe:
Just another example of apple screwing its faithful. You get punished for being the first to support their new OS. I guess I'll wait for OSX 10.3 or maybe i'll just "switch" to PC!<hr /></blockquote>Well, waiting for 10.3 isn't an option ... you'll have to pay for that one too.

I agree this sucks pretty hard. I think the least Apple can do is float us 10.0 adopters a break. (Time to start calling my cousins in college I think.)

cwasko · Jul 17, 2002, 05:49 PM

Well, to the best of my knowledge, the last time I bought an Apple OS was in March of 2001. Granted, the fee back in Oct 2001 for the upgrade disk was for the 'OS'. But, this is the standard rate apple charges for 'shipping and handling' and its been like that for atleast 5 years.

So, to shell out $130 at the end of this August, i.e., 1.5 years from the last time I had to purchase the OS... I think thats pretty good, actually.

But, to each their own.

Timan · Jul 17, 2002, 06:02 PM

so what are my coupons for that came with osx?

His Dudeness · Jul 17, 2002, 06:07 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Timan:
so what are my coupons for that came with osx?<hr /></blockquote>Well, when you forget to pack a roll of TP in your Kelty backpack...
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Northform · Jul 17, 2002, 06:12 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Timan:
so what are my coupons for that came with osx?<hr /></blockquote>the 10.1 upgrade.

Apple gives them to you so that IF they do decide to do something like that they already have a mechanism in place.

Remember the OS 9 $20 rebate for people who had previous versions?

BTW I do think it should be free (as kinda a first really good version), but it's not like MS would give us a lesser upgrade for free.

Timan · Jul 17, 2002, 06:15 PM

well i purchaced osx in stores not to long ago and it came with 10.1.3 now i got to pay 129$ again after like 4months? i think thats bull.

Little Newton · Jul 17, 2002, 06:24 PM

Just wait for the new product activation features for the J-wire...we might actually have to pay instead of whine and steal... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

I can't see how they will not make it more difficult to activate and keep up to date. The pricing model w/o protection discourages compliance <img border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" title="" src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" />

Jowy · Jul 17, 2002, 06:24 PM

My brother pointed that that if anything, Apple is also REWARDING those that stuck w/ 9 and didn't install or use X at all up until now. Quite annoying if you ask me and a good way to say "HAHA SUCKAS!" to all those other loyal users who embraced X when 10.0 was first released (myself included). I think I'll be needing to relay these thoughts to Apple in the near future...

davecom · Jul 17, 2002, 06:27 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Timan:
well i purchaced osx in stores not to long ago and it came with 10.1.3 now i got to pay 129$ again after like 4months? i think thats bull.<hr /></blockquote>You don't "have to". But if you want to, you can.

hyperizer · Jul 17, 2002, 06:32 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jowy:
My brother pointed that that if anything, Apple is also REWARDING those that stuck w/ 9 and didn't install or use X at all up until now. Quite annoying if you ask me and a good way to say "HAHA SUCKAS!" to all those other loyal users who embraced X when 10.0 was first released (myself included). I think I'll be needing to relay these thoughts to Apple in the near future...<hr /></blockquote>Get over it. No one likes spending money, but I think Apple deserves a little of our cash for all the hard work they've put into this upgrade. I paid to upgrade to OS 8, OS 8.5, and OS 9. Apple's pretty consistent about charging fees for major updates. It's just that now they're releasing major changes a bit more often.

dazzla · Jul 17, 2002, 06:46 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Northform:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Timan:
so what are my coupons for that came with osx?<hr /></blockquote>the 10.1 upgrade.

Apple gives them to you so that IF they do decide to do something like that they already have a mechanism in place.

Remember the OS 9 $20 rebate for people who had previous versions?

BTW I do think it should be free (as kinda a first really good version), but it's not like MS would give us a lesser upgrade for free.<hr /></blockquote>So I bought my iMac like 2 months ago and I've got three coupons but they don't mean anything?

JLL · Jul 17, 2002, 06:57 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by hyperizer:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jowy:
My brother pointed that that if anything, Apple is also REWARDING those that stuck w/ 9 and didn't install or use X at all up until now. Quite annoying if you ask me and a good way to say "HAHA SUCKAS!" to all those other loyal users who embraced X when 10.0 was first released (myself included). I think I'll be needing to relay these thoughts to Apple in the near future...<hr /></blockquote>Get over it. No one likes spending money, but I think Apple deserves a little of our cash for all the hard work they've put into this upgrade. I paid to upgrade to OS 8, OS 8.5, and OS 9. Apple's pretty consistent about charging fees for major updates. It's just that now they're releasing major changes a bit more often.

<hr /></blockquote>Wasn't there a year between 8.0 and 8.5 and 8.5 and 9.0?

There is 17 months between 10.0 and 10.2.

Graymalkin · Jul 17, 2002, 06:59 PM

There's nothing requiring you to upgrade to 10.2 other than your own personal desire to upgrade. If you look at the system requirements of all the new iToys they released today they work with 10.1.3 and up which falls into your "I want it for free" ethos. If you bought 10.0 in March last year and then got their 1� 10.1 upgrade in September you're not being charged too much. The same goes for OS9 stalwarts whohave yet to upgrade to 10. If you bought 10.1 for the full price four months ago you obviously weren't paying attention to the Apple news. Jaguar has been in development for awhile and theseboards have been buzzing about its features quite a bit. You should have assumed itwasgoing to bea paid upgrade being a whole point upgrade. The 8 > 8.5 upgrade cost you money, so did the 8.6 > 9 upgrade. The only cheap upgrade has been the 10 > 10.1 upgrade because the 10.1 released was the one they should have named 10.0.

There's also a fair number of discounts Apple offers for their software. The educational discount is pretty steep as is the government employee discount. While 10.2 isn't exactly cheap and I might have to wait to buy a new Mac in order to get the upgrade, it is fair for the features they've added in my opinion.

JLL · Jul 17, 2002, 06:59 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jowy:
My brother pointed that that if anything, Apple is also REWARDING those that stuck w/ 9 and didn't install or use X at all up until now. Quite annoying if you ask me and a good way to say "HAHA SUCKAS!" to all those other loyal users who embraced X when 10.0 was first released (myself included). I think I'll be needing to relay these thoughts to Apple in the near future...<hr /></blockquote>And you didn't get any use out of Mac OS 10.0-10.1.5?

Mediaman_12 · Jul 17, 2002, 07:03 PM

Regular upgrade pricing ha! I don't remember OS9 (boxed) being close to �100. I remember this because I got 9 on a wim from a local store.
UK Macnn'ers look at the UK Apple store for 10.2. It has �99.01 in big letters on the page, but click on the Save for later button & it magically has a subtotal of �84.26 plus VAT of �16.50 with a total of �100.76?? Where did the original �99.01 figure come from? Someone has made a mistake somewhere?
Also the only place you can get to the 10.2 UK purchase page is via the UK Apple Store the links on the UK OSX page link to the US payment page.

libraryguy · Jul 17, 2002, 07:17 PM

It seems like no matter what Apple does everyone thinks they're getting ripped of or cheated. So what if you bought the beta and the final release. The Beta was just that, a Beta and you knew that. The only reason Apple allowed everyone to buy the beta was because everyone complained and said they wanted it. Then, everyone complained that they bought the beta and wanted a discount on the final...which Apple did. The final release Apple said it wasn't really ready and everyone knew that as well. They gave 10.1 away for "free." At what point is it okay for Apple to actually make some money on the OS??? Never??? Don't buy it or switch to Windows but stop complaining. Apple never promised you free OS updates for life just because you bought the beta. 10.2 is pretty amazing and offers sooo much more than OS 9 and so you should have to pay for it.

Jowy · Jul 17, 2002, 09:24 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JLL:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jowy:
My brother pointed that that if anything, Apple is also REWARDING those that stuck w/ 9 and didn't install or use X at all up until now. Quite annoying if you ask me and a good way to say "HAHA SUCKAS!" to all those other loyal users who embraced X when 10.0 was first released (myself included). I think I'll be needing to relay these thoughts to Apple in the near future...<hr /></blockquote>And you didn't get any use out of Mac OS 10.0-10.1.5?<hr /></blockquote>I didn't say I didn't get any use out of all those versions. I only feel like I was some kind of beta tester for Apple this whole time (10.0-10.1.5) now that they decided to put the same price on their upgrade as was on the original version of OS X. Even though 10.2 has so many new features, about the only ones I'm looking foward to are iChat, QE, and Spring Loaded folders. Will I buy 10.2? Probably. Do I feel as good about Apple's marketing decisions as I did before? Not really.

Nonsuch · Jul 17, 2002, 09:52 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by libraryguy:
Apple never promised you free OS updates for life just because you bought the beta. 10.2 is pretty amazing and offers sooo much more than OS 9 and so you should have to pay for it.<hr /></blockquote>They never promised me a rose garden either, but that doesn't stop me from hoping.

I have no problem paying for 10.2; I agree an upgrade on this scale merits a purchase. I do resent having to pay the full retail price though. The educational price ($69) is reasonable and that's the price I plan to pay.

cutterjohn · Jul 17, 2002, 10:40 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by cwasko:
Well, to the best of my knowledge, the last time I bought an Apple OS was in March of 2001. Granted, the fee back in Oct 2001 for the upgrade disk was for the 'OS'. But, this is the standard rate apple charges for 'shipping and handling' and its been like that for atleast 5 years.

So, to shell out $130 at the end of this August, i.e., 1.5 years from the last time I had to purchase the OS... I think thats pretty good, actually.

But, to each their own.<hr /></blockquote>well, I'd agree with you if the first one that I shelled out for wasn't a glorified beta, followed by a REQUIRED fix(10.1), and still wasn't missing plain old OS9 features that I actually used v. a bunch of junk that I don't use that was new.

IGrokSpock · Jul 19, 2002, 11:11 AM

DVWANNABE RULES! ONLY HE HAS THE COJONES TO BRING UP THIS TOPIC!!

Hey when you buy photoshop 6, you get a deal when you upgrade to 7, dont you? Apple should at least send a free tube of vaseline.

lookmark · Jul 19, 2002, 11:23 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Nonsuch:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by libraryguy:
Apple never promised you free OS updates for life just because you bought the beta. 10.2 is pretty amazing and offers sooo much more than OS 9 and so you should have to pay for it.<hr /></blockquote>They never promised me a rose garden either, but that doesn't stop me from hoping.

I have no problem paying for 10.2; I agree an upgrade on this scale merits a purchase. I do resent having to pay the full retail price though. The educational price ($69) is reasonable and that's the price I plan to pay.<hr /></blockquote>Same here. I would pay up to $99 for this upgrade, but $129 for 10.1 users is just tad too much.

I'll be asking a friend who's a student to buy a copy of Jaguar for me.

People who just bought a boxed copy of 10.1 have every right to be annoyed (even if it wasn't the wisest thing in the world to do, w/ 10.2 just around the corner).

I think the Up-to-Date program should be expanded; people who bought a Mac or the boxed 10.1 in the past three months should have the opportunity to get a discount to 10.2... say, for $89.

[ 07-19-2002, 11:25 AM: Message edited by: lookmark ]