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Jul 11, 2018, 04:26 PM
 
Per And.reg:
The City of Seattle and many major corps including Starbucks and American Airlines are getting rid of plastic straws.
     
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Jul 11, 2018, 04:31 PM
 
The straw trend started with a Girl Scout who convinced Alaska Air to get rid of straws.
https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/con...lastic-straws/

Straws are a good thing to use less of, as they can't be recycled and inexpensive paper straws work for most other purposes. Cutlery however is harder to convince people to make the switch to wood or cornstarch.

Interestingly, after this supposed good news in the land of recycling, I heard some disabled communities are not pleased about this because paper or metal straws wouldn't work for them. So there will have to be some plastic straws still on request.
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Jul 11, 2018, 04:35 PM
 
The trend started decades ago with countries beginning the outlaw free plastic bags.
     
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Jul 11, 2018, 04:43 PM
 
As well as convincing us to carry our own water bottles around instead of disposable all the time.
     
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Jul 11, 2018, 04:52 PM
 
Some places are switching to non-disposable straws. I’d guess the inside gets teh funky.

It’s sexist, but I don’t think straws are a good look on an adult male. I’ll use them with fast food, or a shake, but that’s it.
     
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Jul 11, 2018, 10:12 PM
 
I do not know why straws and plastic forks and knives aren't recyclable or at least reusable. Besides some people chewing on the straws and cutlery, any reason why they are not reusable, at least for a few times? Drop into some soapy water and a bit of disinfectant and they should be good to go. When I use plastic cutlery on picnics and such, I always reuse them a few times myself.

Where I live, convenience stores are the place to go for many people and when you order a drink (such as a carton of milk), a straw gets handed to you by the cashier. I promptly put the straw back. I don't see why people just don't drink straight from the bottle or carton.
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Jul 12, 2018, 06:31 AM
 
Originally Posted by mindwaves View Post
I do not know why straws and plastic forks and knives aren't recyclable or at least reusable. Besides some people chewing on the straws and cutlery, any reason why they are not reusable, at least for a few times? Drop into some soapy water and a bit of disinfectant and they should be good to go. When I use plastic cutlery on picnics and such, I always reuse them a few times myself.
Mostly because there is no good way to clean them. Metal cutlery, or PET bottles, are cleaned by dousing them with very hot water and washing up fluid. If you do that with the softer plastics used for straws, they will deform. Switching to another plastic - say PET like those bottles - would work to clean them several times, but I expect that there is a cost difference.

You can of course clean them by hand-washing each, but that doesn't scale for large operations.

For straws I imagine that they're harder to clean, so paper straws are probably a better idea.
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Jul 12, 2018, 07:40 AM
 
Thanks for the explanation. I really hope we can limit the use of plastic. I was once given a package of cookies. They were individually wrapped in plastic complete with their own desiccant silica gel, in their own little plastic tray, and packaged in another larger tray. 12 cookies total. A total waste of plastic.
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Jul 12, 2018, 03:57 PM
 
I honestly think that we need to get over the fact that there are germs in the world. We don’t need to pack every single item in plastic individually, and if paper packaging is a little less anti-bacterial than waxed paper, then... so what? Wash your hands, keep the an outer cover, but don’t isolate every single thing. Eating a single portion airplane meal is so frustrating, it is more packaging than food.
     
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Jul 13, 2018, 08:28 AM
 
Alternate title: "Environment News: The Last Straw"
     
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Jul 13, 2018, 10:52 AM
 
Spheric, that article was great. Why not go back to straw straws, or paper straws. Plastic straws are wrapped in paper anyhow.
     
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Jul 13, 2018, 01:05 PM
 
Originally Posted by P View Post
Eating an airplane meal
Well, there’s your problem.
     
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Jul 13, 2018, 01:54 PM
 
I've been using and washing my metal straws for my smoothies and shakes since 2015. Easy to rinse under the sink, so, there's no "teh funky."
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Jul 13, 2018, 01:58 PM
 
I like to use soap, but that’s just me.
     
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Jul 13, 2018, 02:58 PM
 
Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
Alternate title: "Environment News: The Last Straw"
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Jul 20, 2018, 09:35 AM
 
I use an Rtic thermal mug at work, with their stainless steel straw. It is easy to clean - the straw came in a 3-pack that included a tiny “bottle brush” for cleaning. The mug gets washed every day with dish soap and warm water, and the straw gets cleaned inside and out the same way.

I reuse the liter bottles that my local grocery chain’s flavored sparkling waters come in. They get washed out regularly too, until I’ve kept them around for a week or so. They get recycled after that.

I can’t help but think that if disposable plastic items were just “properly disposed of,” that would make a large part of the “plastic in the ocean” problem just go away. Of course the definition of “properly” is pretty complex. Ideally every polymer product should be segregated from trash and recycled in one way or another. Very few plastics aren’t somehow recyclable, and those could be used in alternate ways, like fill for geo textile products...

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Jul 20, 2018, 04:35 PM
 
We've just ordered some SS straws, hopefully they don't go missing at the jobsite.

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Jul 20, 2018, 06:49 PM
 
Marriott will be eliminating straws.

A mildly amusing video, take the commentary with a grain of salt:
http://www.wbaltv.com/article/heres-...traws/22286932
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Jul 21, 2018, 06:30 PM
 
Originally Posted by And.reg View Post
Marriott will be eliminating straws.

A mildly amusing video, take the commentary with a grain of salt:
http://www.wbaltv.com/article/heres-...traws/22286932
What do hotels do with their small bars of soap? It is impossible to use the entire thing and most hotels give you quite a bit. Very wasteful. I prefer hotels with the pump bottles full of soap.
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Jul 22, 2018, 05:42 PM
 
Originally Posted by mindwaves View Post
What do hotels do with their small bars of soap?
Many are switching to liquid dispensers that get mounted on the walls, then they just refill them.
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Jul 22, 2018, 05:43 PM
 
1) guests take soap home (I do sometimes)
2) hotel throws away
3) staff takes home
4) https://cleantheworld.org/get-involv...cling-program/
     
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Jul 25, 2018, 01:23 PM
 
Originally Posted by mindwaves View Post
What do hotels do with their small bars of soap? It is impossible to use the entire thing and most hotels give you quite a bit. Very wasteful. I prefer hotels with the pump bottles full of soap.
I routinely take the leftover liquid body wash, lotion, toothpaste, or mouthwash provided by hotels. It's been quite some time that I've actually had to purchase a "travel size" amount for any of these items.

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Jul 25, 2018, 02:05 PM
 
lol we should become smelly hippies and not bathe to save water and plastic
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Aug 5, 2018, 12:32 PM
 
Material formed from crab shells and trees could replace flexible plastic packaging

Perhaps getting a bit crabby may lead to a solution after all...

especially since I hate paying extra for a wrapped plastic knife, and a container for cream cheese when I just ordered a bagel and they can't just scoop on the cream cheese themselves, and the bag that they put it all in, which then all gets thrown away and into a landfill.
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Aug 10, 2018, 01:43 PM
 
Crabs arent very common. So looks like we trade 1 environmental problem for another.

Reminds me of how a plant was discovered that produced easily recyclable cardboard material or something. The plant grows great in Madagascar. So Madagascar bulldozed rainforests putting countless species to extiction to make room for the agriculture of this plant. But at least it was in the name of saving the environment. It was great for Madagascar’s exports & economy. We now have easily recyclable packaging that no one bothers to recycle.
     
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Aug 10, 2018, 04:15 PM
 
New england is currently being so overrun with foreign green crabs they are trying to create incentives for fishermen to catch them, create a market. Green crabs are eating all the clams we like.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/magazine...AoN/story.html
     
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Aug 10, 2018, 04:45 PM
 
I'm guessing they don't taste good enough.
     
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Aug 10, 2018, 11:28 PM
 
More like they are too small to bother cracking open. Apparently the broth is tasty.
     
   
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