[Peter]

...http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/...=1089821694000

[gorickey]

What??!!

No G6 in them? Unbelievable Apple...

[CharlesS]

...but I was promised flying cars! I don't see any flying cars!

The iMac G5 will be very big news. This might actually help get Apple's consumer line back on its feet. I just hope the new iMac looks as nice as the current one does - it would be a shame if they uglied it up and made it look like a Gateway to cut costs...

[demograph68]

Here's a more pessimistic report on the same issue. It's questionable, and I hope it's not true. iMac G5 heat issues

[CharlesS]

Originally posted by demograph68:
Here's a more pessimistic report on the same issue. It's questionable, and I hope it's not true. iMac G5 heat issues

Unfortunately (for AppleInsider, that is!), the article in which Mr. Oppenheimer dropped the bomb clearly states that the delay was due to supply issues, not heat.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by CharlesS:
Unfortunately (for AppleInsider, that is!), the article in which Mr. Oppenheimer dropped the bomb clearly states that the delay was due to supply issues, not heat.

To be picky, Oppenheimer said it was "primarily" due to G5 supply issues, but he did not describe what other issues they had. But yeah, it does seem that the rumour sites were (primarily) wrong.

[G4ME]

yeah, i got an email from my old boss, stating that apple is running their supply of current imacs down, i just hope they release it and have it AVAILABLE for the back to school crowd, but as we all know that means they will be shipping it around Thanksgiving.

[Augie50]

Originally posted by G4ME:
yeah, i got an email from my old boss, stating that apple is running their supply of current imacs down, i just hope they release it and have it AVAILABLE for the back to school crowd, but as we all know that means they will be shipping it around Thanksgiving.

Nope, if you listen to their conference call, they've specifically allotted for increased shipping costs this quarter(air freight) for iMacs in September.

[G4ME]

i will believe it when i see it.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by G4ME:
i will believe it when i see it.

So you don't believe the VP and CFO of Apple?

[MindFad]

How about specs? Any predictions?

I'm guessing 1.6, 1.8, and 2.0. Probably same crappy graphics card, but maybe they'll surprise me with the higher-end iMac having a 128MB 9600 Pro, perhaps. Sizes: 17", 17", 20". ComboDrive, SuperDrive, SuperDrive. 80, 80, 120GB. FireWire 400�one 800 on the high-end. Maybe Bluetooth built-in? Price: who friggin' knows.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by MindFad:
How about specs? Any predictions?

I'm guessing 1.6, 1.8, and 2.0. Probably same crappy graphics card, but maybe they'll surprise me with the higher-end iMac having a 128MB 9600 Pro, perhaps. Sizes: 17", 17", 20". ComboDrive, SuperDrive, SuperDrive. 80, 80, 120GB. FireWire 400�one 800 on the high-end. Maybe Bluetooth built-in? Price: who friggin' knows.

1.4 at the bottom to 1.8 at the top. (Or maybe up to 2.0 if we're lucky.) And cheaper.

[G4ME]

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
So you don't believe the VP and CFO of Apple?

over the past few years name one big product that apple has come out with that has shipped the day they announced it, software doesn't count.

[d4nth3m4n]

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
1.4 at the bottom to 1.8 at the top. (Or maybe up to 2.0 if we're lucky.) And cheaper.

way to link to your own blog.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by d4nth3m4n:
way to link to your own blog.

It's my prediction (as requested in this thread):

G5 970FX 1.8 GHz, with 512 KB L2 cache
3:1 multiplier, for a 600 MHz bus
256 MB Single-channel DDR333 memory, with 2-3 memory slots
80 GB 7200 rpm hard drive, upgradable to 160 GB
8X SuperDrive (DVD-R/W, CD-R/W)
nVidia GeForce FX 5600 Ultra 64 MB DDR
Airport Extreme ready
Bluetooth ready
Firewire 400 and USB 2.0 ports
VGA/S-video/composite video output
Analogue audio input and output

Originally posted by G4ME:
over the past few years name one big product that apple has come out with that has shipped the day they announced it, software doesn't count.

Who said anything shipping the day it was announced?

Anyways, the iBook G4 shipped immediately. And my TiBook 1 GHz SD shipped before when they said it would.

[Rev-O]

Originally posted by Augie50:
Nope, if you listen to their conference call, they've specifically allotted for increased shipping costs this quarter(air freight) for iMacs in September.

Or that they claim they'll be available in September... not have them ready to go and end up spiff all the unfilled orders of disgruntled purchasers orders in late November and spiffing 'em free airmail as a bone. No, Apple would never do that (as I type at my dual 2 gig G5 delayed for weeks and weeks and weeks. But hey, I got free Airmail!)

[waxcrash]

Wasn't this already posted in the iMac & eMac forum?

Oh yeah, http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?threadid=220362

[DeathMan]

Originally posted by d4nth3m4n:
way to link to your own blog.

Is that bad nettiquette?

BOT
It would be nice if the G5 imac had an optional detachable screen that you could then use as an upgrade path to a tower. ($2,500? Why not? I already have a matching monitor!)

If apple wants the iMac to be around for a while, they'll put 128MB video cards in them. I could see buying one of these, and not worrying that it was going to be obsolete in a year.

[TailsToo]

As long as the monitor is not attached!!!! Please Apple! I;d love to get an affordable machine that I can use my old monitor with!

[Socially Awkward Solo]

So what was all that "Moterola sucks because they can't make fast processors and can't ship in quantity, bring on IBM all all the problems are solved".

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
It's my prediction (as requested in this thread):

G5 970FX 1.8 GHz, with 512 KB L2 cache
3:1 multiplier, for a 600 MHz bus
256 MB Single-channel DDR333 memory, with 2-3 memory slots
80 GB 7200 rpm hard drive, upgradable to 160 GB
8X SuperDrive (DVD-R/W, CD-R/W)
nVidia GeForce FX 5600 Ultra 64 MB DDR
Airport Extreme ready
Bluetooth ready
Firewire 400 and USB 2.0 ports
VGA/S-video/composite video output
Analogue audio input and output

No offence but your guesses are normally worthy of MacOSrumors.

Anywho, I think it will be a 1.6 G5 and I hope to christ it is not any of that crap with the logic board behind the monitor because Apple did that with the TAM and every PC company has already tried it. Also when Steve intro'd the current iMac he dis'ed the locic board behind the monitor thing saying the CD drives would be to slow if they did it. The TAM had the same problem.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
So what was all that "Moterola sucks because they can't make fast processors and can't ship in quantity, bring on IBM all all the problems are solved".

Yeah, IBM's situation isn't ideal, but I'm not complaining too much since all the competition is having the same problems, and if it weren't for IBM and its 2.5 GHz G5 (and probably 1.8 GHz for the iMac), we'd still be stuck at 1.5 GHz on G4s. ie. Without IBM, you wouldn't have your dual 2.0, from 1 year ago.

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
No offence but your guesses are normally worthy of MacOSrumors.

Oooh, the ultimate insult. At least I don't claim to have inside info. Anyways, you say 1.6 and I say 1.8. Not all that much different really.

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
Oooh, the ultimate insult. At least I don't claim to have inside info. Anyways, you say 1.6 and I say 1.8. Not all that much different really.

Ya the slight numbers mean nothing to me anyway, I am more concerned with the design of it as more people will be compelled to buy it based on the design and not 200MHz speed dif.

I am praying it is not that old computer built into the LCD crap.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
Ya the slight numbers mean nothing to me anyway, I am more concerned with the design of it as more people will be compelled to buy it based on the design and not 200MHz speed dif.

I am praying it is not that old computer built into the LCD crap.

I want a headless Mac myself, but I'm not expecting it. (My sick PC is still on the floor, half-disassembled, waiting to be either replaced or else fixed/upgraded.) If not headless, I'd consider an iMac, but I already have a nice 17" LCD.

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
I want a headless Mac myself, but I'm not expecting it. (My sick PC is still on the floor, half-disassembled, waiting to be either replaced or else fixed/upgraded.) If not headless, I'd consider an iMac, but I already have a nice 17" LCD.

A non-widescreen 17. Yech.

The current widescreen 17 inch iMac's are even cool.

[sideus]

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
I want a headless Mac myself, but I'm not expecting it...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that mean you want this.

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Originally posted by sideus:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that mean you want this.

The price is rather different. And no, he pretty much wants a cube. Don't know why that is any different then a low end G5 as his PC is GIANT!

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
The price is rather different. And no, he pretty much wants a cube. Don't know why that is any different then a low end G5 as his PC is GIANT!

Correct. I want a G5 Cube:

.

As for my PC, it's quite a bit smaller than it used to be. I had a server-sized case before. Now it's smaller than a G4 Power Mac.

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
A non-widescreen 17. Yech.

The current widescreen 17 inch iMac's are even cool.

Widescreens are nice, and I prefer them, but it's not really a big deal for me for a low to mid-range consumer desktop. I MUCH prefer widescreen for screens 20" and larger though.

Not to mention the fact that the area of the two monitors is basically identical.

[coolmacdude]

In before the move to Hardware (or the lock).

[sideus]

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
Correct. I want a G5 Cube.

As for my PC, it's quite a bit smaller than it used to be. I had a server-sized case before. Now it's smaller than a G4 Power Mac.

Widescreens are nice, and I prefer them, but it's not really a big deal for me for a low to mid-range consumer desktop. I MUCH prefer widescreen for screens 20" and larger though.

Not to mention the fact that the area of the two monitors is basically identical.

Ah, ok. Yeah, a new cube would be nice.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
I am praying it is not that old computer built into the LCD crap.

Here is the article in question.

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
Correct. I want a G5 Cube:

I don't get it though. An iMac 17 inch costs $2400 CAN. For $300 more you can get a dual 1.8GHz G5 tower and use whatever monitor you likes. Plus you get all that drive space and PCI and RAM slots that you love so much.

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
Here is the article in question.

Bingo. That is why I hope all the rumors of it looking like the new displays with a Locic board in it are ********!

"We could�ve taken a hacksaw to the iMac [so it just had a flat screen], but there are some fatal flaws to this approach. We�d have had to put the logic boards parallel to the display on the back of it, which means the connectors come out on the side, making the worst kind of cable mess right in front of your eyes. And even worse, we�d also have to turn the drives on the side. Particularly optical drives -- they can�t run at full speed on the side. You have to slow them way down, then the performance goes way down -- you can never fit a SuperDrive in there. So this approach is far from great.

"Rather than glom these things together and ruin them all with a lower performance computer and a flat screen that isn�t flat anymore, why not let each element be true to itself? If the screen�s flat, let it be flat. If the computer wants to be horizontal, let it be horizontal. It�s got superior ergonomics to anything we�ve ever built -- I dare say, to anything anyone�s ever built. And it has a beauty and grace that�s going to last the next decade."

[fireside]

Originally posted by MindFad:
Sizes: 17", 17", 20".

what, you don't think they'll fit a 30" on there and make it 5,000$?

[businezguy]

I really hope Apple can manage to keep the price down. Part of the problem with the last iMac was the price was just too high. Apple has a tricky situation where they need to come out with a stunning design and also keep the price down.

It would be nice of the iMac also came with free software designed with the switcher in mind. Software that could connect to a PC and transfer important files right over to the Mac.

A good price and an easy switch could make for a growing Mac base. It's all we can hope for.

[MindFad]

Originally posted by fireside:
what, you don't think they'll fit a 30" on there and make it 5,000$?

I wouldn't put it past them!

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Originally posted by businezguy:
I really hope Apple can manage to keep the price down. Part of the problem with the last iMac was the price was just too high. Apple has a tricky situation where they need to come out with a stunning design and also keep the price down.

It is cuz of the DAMN LCD, small logic board and laptop RAM.

Look at the eMac, more powerful and it is a steal because of the dirt cheap CRT.

[MindFad]

Hopefully the new iMac has a 16ms pixel response on its LCD panel.

[Augie50]

Originally posted by Rev-O:
Or that they claim they'll be available in September... not have them ready to go and end up spiff all the unfilled orders of disgruntled purchasers orders in late November and spiffing 'em free airmail as a bone. No, Apple would never do that (as I type at my dual 2 gig G5 delayed for weeks and weeks and weeks. But hey, I got free Airmail!)

Well we know that Apple themselves are expecting to ship the iMac beginning sometime in September, As I said before, their earnings estimates they released today factor in air freight for the iMacs for this quarter and the quarter ends in early October. It would actually be illegal to make forward looking statements that they knew wouldn't be true(or even are highly unlikely)--thats why its a lock(unless IBM really doesn't get its sh!t together--which is possible).

This is all we know: as of right now, Apple thinks its going to ship the new iMacs in quantity this quarter.

Also, I think the CFO said that memory and LCD panel component costs have fallen a lot in the last quarter--hopefully that means the iMac's will be reasonably priced. Also interesting was the reporter that asked if Apple was getting price concessions(i.e. cuts) from IBM due to the tardiness of the G5 processors. The CFO simply said, no comment. Hopefully Apple is getting a fat discount from IBM, at least until IBM get their 90nm process down.

[Superchicken]

News flash, the iMac has always been and WILL always be an all in one machine. Perhaps Apple will unveil a new G5 cube, Power Mac mini whatever, but they're not about to intro an iMac that is not an iMac.

That said, I think something in the price range of a PM G4, with a G5 in it, with similar features, and a less powerful system bus etc would do awesome.

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Originally posted by MindFad:
Hopefully the new iMac has a 16ms pixel response on its LCD panel.

What if it ends up being 17ms? Do you think it will flop?

[Superchicken]

Due... what if it had... 18? Could you live?

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
I don't get it though. An iMac 17 inch costs $2400 CAN. For $300 more you can get a dual 1.8GHz G5 tower and use whatever monitor you likes. Plus you get all that drive space and PCI and RAM slots that you love so much.

Yeah, in other words, the G4 iMac costs way too much.

Give me a G5 Cube for under $1800.

[Superchicken]

17 inch monitors cost a lot.
The problem is Apple can give a higer mark up for AIO comps, the problem is, they don't sell unless they slash the margins. It wasn't so bad when they had CRTs. But they're trying to go with larger more expensive monitors and it doesn't work so well. They'd do better if they added the ability to use the iMac's screen with another Mac.

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
Yeah, in other words, the G4 iMac costs way too much.

Give me a G5 Cube for under $1800.

The cheapest no name 17 inch LCD monitor that is NON-Widescreen that I just found is $569.99 CAN and you can bet it is junk. I mean what the hell brand is "BenQ"?

Anywho, you can see why a 17 inch WIDESCREEN iMac costs so much. It is not that Apple wants em that high but with all the fanciness they cost a pretty penny.

[Xeo]

To that end, the company's Osaka store is succeeding.

Osaka store? What Osaka store? I was just in Osaka. Apple's retail website doesn't say anything about an Osaka store. Is the article not talking about retail stores in that sentence or what?

[Peter]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
I mean what the hell brand is "BenQ"?

a very good make, actually.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
The cheapest no name 17 inch LCD monitor that is NON-Widescreen that I just found is $569.99 CAN and you can bet it is junk. I mean what the hell brand is "BenQ"?

BenQ

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Originally posted by Peter:
a very good make, actually.

Not as good as BenDover though.

[Sherwin]

Originally posted by MindFad:
Any predictions?

It'll be... ...brushed metal.