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Jun 14, 2019, 04:21 PM
 
Dems:
Biden - No. I used to like him but he's missed the boat and is campaigning like it's the 80s and he can just cakewalk.
Bernie - I still like some of his ideas, but man is he old.
Pete - Run for governor or senator, Pete. Run for president in 8 years.
Beto - Ditto.
Kamala - I like her. Tough, knows the law.
Warren - I also like her. Got an issue? She has a plan for that. She has prepared for this.

Others - meh.

Reps:
I've heard rumors some will challenge Trump in the primary, and the republican base is trying to distance themselves from his antics... who would run?
     
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Jun 15, 2019, 04:20 AM
 
Honestly, I would not elect Sanders or Biden based on their age alone. Being President is a tough job, and if you are close to crossing the average life expectancy during the term, you are way too old.

I like Warren and the fact that she really does her homework. I don't agree with some of the details, but honestly, as soon as you propose something specific, you'll get people disagreeing about the hows even if you agree on the whats. So I don't hold it against her.

Mayor Pete seems like a solid choice for VP, me thinks. Extremely smart, bipartisan pedigree but like you wrote, a bit young.

Beto needs to grind a bit more, losing an election is not the best of qualifications. I don't think he should be running for president at this stage. Charisma is not a qualification.
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Jun 15, 2019, 09:26 PM
 
Beto's biggest asset is that he almost beat Cruz, without any PAC money, without even real support from the state party until late in the game, just real grassroots support. He nearly beat an obscenely well funded, party supported incumbent. From out of nowhere.

He's "hungry" for the challenge, and though he may seem unseasoned from someone who didn't watch his whole senate race, he IS getting lots of attention, exceeding fundraising goals, and getting plenty of local activism going.

Bernie no longer looks like "the outsider with new ideas." He kinda looks like the uncle that should have been put in an assisted living center years ago.

Joe is affable, has plenty of actual experience, but has no direction - and no agenda. He needs both or he just flounders around.

Elizabeth has experience, had chops, and has an agenda. But I can see the Dems having issues with going to bat for her, mainly because she's not "some other woman" we shouldn't name.

I'm afraid that Kamala is also going to have to deal with that, plus she's black and the Dems are pretty psychotic about this whole "logic" thing when it comes to candidate selection...

Someone to watch is Julian Castro. Former San Antonio mayor (a coworker went to high school with him and his twin brother Joaquin), he was only 40 when he was named HUD secretary and was the youngest member of Obama's cabinet. Between him and his congressman-brother, there's a ton of smarts, savvy and great ideas.

The field is way too big right now, and if they are smart, the Democratic Party will start winnowing soon. And if they are really smart, they'll figure a way to redirect support from "former candidate" campaigns into the smaller field's candidates, ultimately funneling all support to their chosen candidate.

I'll also point out this caution: the reason Nixon won in 1968 was that the Democrats split between Humphrey and Wallace. (Yes, a big chunk of then-Democrats supported Mr. Segregation and his newly minted "American Independent" party). If the Democrat vote hadn't been split, it wouldn't have taken a lot of Wallace supporters' votes added to Humphrey's to beat Nixon's vote. Nixon only got about 500,000 more votes than Humphrey (31,783,783 vs. 31,271,839). The Democratic Party needs to keep this little history lesson in mind for 2020, get their act together, and get a single candidate out there, one who's drive is not just "get Don out of the Oval Office."

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Jun 15, 2019, 11:11 PM
 
Originally Posted by ghporter View Post
...the Democrats split between Humphrey and Wallace. (Yes, a big chunk of then-Democrats supported Mr. Segregation and his newly minted "American Independent" party).
Yeah...that would be my parents. To my lifelong shame.
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Jun 16, 2019, 01:05 PM
 
Biden; everybody's old uncle. Like the guy personally, but he's got lots of neoliberal baggage, and his image still comes across as that creepy uncle who just can't help himself when he's near the ladies, even though I don't think he has any harmful intent.

Beto; not progressive enough for me, and too early in his political life.

Buttigieg; same as Beto, and doesn't support a single payer health system, which every other developed country has, and which we can afford, if we'd stop playing Imperial Master of the Universe.

Harris; Ok, but nothing stands out for me.

Warren; My choice. The people's person. We have to return this country to the people, and get rid of the oligarchs/plutocrats/kleptocrats. No one "earns" a billion dollars a year.

Bernie; similar to Warren, but he's too old, and, once again, the Democrats (who seem to want to lose, as they just can't get away from Wall Street) are going to to do everything they can to keep him out.

Others; grasping at straws.

I'll vote for whomever the Democratic nominee is, but I hope I don't have to hold my nose like I did in 2016.
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Jun 16, 2019, 02:02 PM
 
The thing about Buttigieg is, if it weren’t for being gay, he’s probably the one in the field who’s moderate enough to maybe capture some edge-case conservative votes. I mean, you don’t get elected mayor of Notre DameSouth Bend by being a commie librul.
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Jun 17, 2019, 04:54 AM
 
@Thorzdad
I agree, and this is clearly Buttigieg's play to differentiate himself from Warren and Sanders. What is your feeling, do you think the Democrats will opt for a moderate like Biden or Buttigieg? Or will they go for someone who is more clearly differentiated from the GOP?
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Jun 26, 2019, 02:06 PM
 
Debates start tonight: thunderdome 2020!
     
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Jun 27, 2019, 10:55 AM
 
Apparently, while Warren of course did great, Castro got a lot of attention last night. Beto is also a pretty good spanish speaker for a white guy.
     
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Jul 7, 2019, 11:42 AM
 
Can this trend of both parties moving to the extremes please stop? I don’t really subscribe to uber-right or uber-left. If this goes on will it be a vote for neo-feudalism vs. socialism?
     
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Jul 7, 2019, 04:57 PM
 
Originally Posted by Brien View Post
Can this trend of both parties moving to the extremes please stop? I don’t really subscribe to uber-right or uber-left. If this goes on will it be a vote for neo-feudalism vs. socialism?
Is it though?

Here in the uK the common portrayal is that the Labour Party have morphed into some kind of neoStalinist ultra left clique. Except that when you look at actual policies they are stood broadly where the Conservative party was before Thatcher and neoliberalism came in,

From here it looks that 90% of the dems polices would have been happily campaigned for by mid 70s republicans.
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Jul 7, 2019, 10:42 PM
 
Originally Posted by Doc HM View Post
From here it looks that 90% of the dems polices would have been happily campaigned for by mid 70s republicans.
Definitely NOT in the US.

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Originally Posted by turtle777 View Post
Definitely NOT in the US.
It doesn't look this way now, but in substance it is correct. Have a look at Reagan's stance on immigration, no way he'd pass the GOP primary now. The GOP has consistently moved further and further to the right over the last few decades.
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Jul 8, 2019, 12:24 AM
 
Originally Posted by Brien View Post
Can this trend of both parties moving to the extremes please stop? I don’t really subscribe to uber-right or uber-left. If this goes on will it be a vote for neo-feudalism vs. socialism?
It has helped me to unplug from the daily whirlwind of news and look at news stories in aggregate after they have cooled. A lot of the claims that position xyz is left-wing/right-wing extremist is perpetuated from someone from the right/left — it is their marketing spin. To take one example, AOC: she is one out of several hundred representatives who happens to come from a very liberal district, but she doesn't represent the Democratic Party. In much the same way a Republican from, say, rural Alabama is probably very, very conservative and nobody would be surprised by that either.

The other thing, which helps, is to actually check what policies parties have advocated for in the past, and see how their official stance has evolved over the years. Focus on the policies that made it into law. Take the GOP's opinion on immigration from, say, Reagan to Trump, or the Democrat's official party position on criminal law reform over the same period.
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Jul 8, 2019, 10:26 AM
 
Originally Posted by OreoCookie View Post
It doesn't look this way now, but in substance it is correct. Have a look at Reagan's stance on immigration, no way he'd pass the GOP primary now. The GOP has consistently moved further and further to the right over the last few decades.
I was more evaluating his statement that “if you look at actual policies [of the left,] they are [...] broadly where the Conservative party was before”.

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Jul 31, 2019, 02:24 PM
 
Good lines from the debates:

Bernie: I do know. I wrote the damn bill!
<throws hands up>

Pete: "It's time to stop worrying about what the Republicans will say. It's true that we embrace a far left agenda, they're going to say we're a bunch of crazy socialists. If we embrace a conservative agenda, you know what they're going to do? They're going to say we're a bunch of crazy socialist. Let's stand up for the right policy, go up there and defend it."

Warren: “I don’t understand why anyone goes through all the trouble of running for president of the United States to just talk about what we can’t do and what we shouldn’t fight for.”
     
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Jul 31, 2019, 04:03 PM
 
^^^^

Agreed.

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Aug 6, 2019, 02:28 PM
 
Are there sane adults here?
     
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Aug 7, 2019, 12:46 PM
 
Hmm, that doesn't look like it has anything to do with the democratic debates, or in fact anyone running for president.
     
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Aug 8, 2019, 07:36 AM
 
Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
Hmm, that doesn't look like it has anything to do with the democratic debates, or in fact anyone running for president.
No, but theses are the people that are driving the Democrats to the left via AOC and Sanders.
     
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Aug 8, 2019, 09:34 AM
 
Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
No, but theses are the people that are driving the Democrats to the left via AOC and Sanders.
Chongo - in another thread you implied that Democrats/The Left are using hot-button topics - ones that get Liberals riled up, but are actually meaningless - to distract people from real issues.

What hot-button topics do you believe are being used to distract Republicans/conservatives?
     
   
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