[The Godfather]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg 

Also, the reason I brought up the trial being moved is because some of us think that his defense wanted the trial moved to Miami because the jury pool might be hispanic and not understand what is being said in English and his chance of not getting the death penalty will be better.

My point with this thread, however, is that I personally believe that the media will have advertised this enough so that the supposedly "untainted" jury pool in Miami will become aware of who this guy is...in other words, there is no such thing as moving a venue any longer in order to prevent or restrict exposure.

"Some of us think that his defense wanted the trial moved to Miami because the jury pool might be hispanic and not understand what is being said in English and his chance of not getting the death penalty will be better"?

That statement is too insane, even for the low MacNN standards. When was this postulated?

A non English speaking jury wouldn't be allowed in a trial, would it? On the other hand, the Lundsford tragedy hasn't been broadcasted in the spanish media; maybe a single time, but that's it.

It is understandable that you don't trust fair trials, because defendants often get light penalties because they have a brilliant defense, or get nothing due to lack of evidence (<-notice the quotes). Should all fair trials be skipped in all cases there's a confession?

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by Mark Larr 

The judges and juries should be held responsible when a multi-repeat sexual predator is released and it goes and does it yet again.

That might work, but only if the judges and juries are also held responsible when they convict innocent people of crimes they didn't commit.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg 

... they are moving him down to Miami so that a "jury of his peers" will be comprised of primarily Spanish-speaking hispanics who live in a large city.

Do only Spanish-speaking hispanics live in Miami? If his confession is legitimate, will it make a difference?

[Mark Larr]

Did you even read the rest of my post?

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by analogika 

Better.™

Yeah, because letting a known child molester back on the streets is such a good idea. We need to kill those people, period, end of discussion.

[christ]

Originally Posted by Mark Larr 

Did you even read the rest of my post?

Why haven't you answered my question?

Why do my children deserve an all expense paid vacation with Couey?

[christ]

Originally Posted by MacNStein 

Yeah, because letting a known child molester back on the streets is such a good idea. We need to kill those people, period, end of discussion.

Are there any criminals that we don't need to kill to stop them reoffending?

Should we kill potential criminals, to stop them falling into temptation?

... families of criminals, that may be genetically predisposed to criminality?

... people that look like they may be criminal?

Oh, and please remember that there is a difference between "known". "suspected", "accused", and even in some cases "convicted" - due process is a good idea, but is not infallible, either way.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by Mark Larr 

Did you even read the rest of my post?

Do you mean this part?

Originally Posted by Mark Larr 

I can guarantee, if he is executed, he damn sure won't be a repeat offender

If judges and juries should be held responsible when finding the guilty innocent, they should also be held responsible when sentencing to death someone who is innocent.

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by christ 

Are there any criminals that we don't need to kill to stop them reoffending?

Should we kill potential criminals, to stop them falling into temptation?

... families of criminals, that may be genetically predisposed to criminality?

... people that look like they may be criminal?

Oh, and please remember that there is a difference between "known". "suspected", "accused", and even in some cases "convicted" - due process is a good idea, but is not infallible, either way.

None of your word twisting or bleeding heart sentiment matters. People who are convicted and known child molesters, serial rapists, and/or serial killers need to be executed. There is no other solution. No need for anything elaborate, a slug behind the ear will suffice.

[Mark Larr]

Originally Posted by analogika 

Who is this asshole, and who let him out? Cody's husband?

Please note that this is not a personal attack: This person has, with his above post, objectively proven himself beyond doubt to be an asshole.

Fact, not insult.

Oh please, you buncha people seem to welcome these monsters into your homes to babysit your children instead of giving them what they deserve.


It makes you even more despicable more than I.

And YES it IS a personal attack, even your own bizarro world.

[G Barnett]

Insisting that everyone is entitled to a fair trial regardless of the amount of evidence, confessions, what have you is not welcoming them into our homes to baby-sit; it's an essential part of our system of justice. It's the only way to make sure that a conviction is just and appropriate.

[Mark Larr]

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak 

Do you mean this part?



If judges and juries should be held responsible when finding the guilty innocent, they should also be held responsible when sentencing to death someone who is innocent.

Here is what I said.


"I also think that the DA should be held accountable for railroading an innocent person."

Y'all so involved with welcoming these known repeat sexual predators into your homes, Y'all have selective amnesia over just how bad of a monster they really are.

Or is it merely the usual to oppose what is good and right?

[G Barnett]

Lay off the "welcoming them into our homes" straw man argument, Mark Larr -- it's untrue, you know it's untrue and yet you keep repeating it. We want the guilty convicted and punished just like you do -- but, unlike you, we want to be forced to go thru all the legwork to make damn sure we've got the right man.

Convicting and executing an innocent man is never, ever, ever acceptable.

[Dakar²]

Originally Posted by Mark Larr 

Or is it merely the usual to oppose what is good and right?

Ok, you're laying it on a little thick here.

[christ]

Originally Posted by christ 

Why haven't you answered my question?

Why do my children deserve an all expense paid vacation with Couey?

Paging Mark Larr: Mark Larr to the Pol War Lounge.

Stop dodging and answer the question.

[Mark Larr]

Demonhood told me to drop it.

I suggest you do the same.

[Mark Larr]

Originally Posted by G Barnett 

Lay off the "welcoming them into our homes" straw man argument, Mark Larr -- it's untrue, you know it's untrue and yet you keep repeating it. We want the guilty convicted and punished just like you do -- but, unlike you, we want to be forced to go thru all the legwork to make damn sure we've got the right man.

Convicting and executing an innocent man is never, ever, ever acceptable.

Allowing a known repeat child predator to kill is never, ever, ever, acceptable.

Y'all are totally missing the point of this tread as usual through selective comprehension.


The subject in this matter is why are they TRYING to let a KNOWN child predator loose to do it again?


Seems they have quite a fanclub or the cheering section have no children.

Cody's mama defense instinct is to protect her children and the child predator defense team here want her children victimized.

[G Barnett]

No, you're missing the point. They're not trying to let a known predator loose. They're bending over backwards to give him a fair trial so that when he is convicted (again, assuming the evidence is as clear-cut as it appears to be) there will be zero chance the conviction can be overturned on appeal. Sure, the defense may be trying to get a "more lenient jury" -- that's their job; if they were to fail to do everything they can to ensure a fair defense for their client, the conviction could be overturned just as readily as if there some sort of prosecutorial misconduct. So for the prosecutors, it makes complete legal sense to allow some of that maneuvering to go through.

Being scrupulously fair to even the worst offender, even though it rankles and offends the emotions, is the best way to make sure that they stay in prison once convicted. Once they can show that every "T" was crossed, every "I" dotted and every single procedural requirement was followed and his right to a fair trial ensured to the absolute best ability they can, the prosecution can rest well, knowing that any appeals will be short and unsuccessful.

Once in front of a jury, they can play to emotions all they want (or as much as the judge allows), as long as they have their facts and evidence in order. But up until that point, there is no place for emotional pre-judgements like I'm seeing take place all over this thread. The prosecution knows this, the defense knows this, I know this. You're the only one who doesn't seem to get it.

Get past the lynch-mob mentality and look at it dispassionately and from within the rules our legal system has to play by. That's the point of view we're all coming from, and your straw-man ad hominem attacks have no place in this discussion.

[Dakar²]

Well put.

[Mark Larr]

Then THIS will happen.

http://www.11alive.com/news/news_art...?storyid=62308

Like I posted earlier and it was ignored. Our neighborhood WATCHED this horror unfold and yet the "justice" system allowed him to walk by supressing witnesses and reducing charges to NOTHING.

Ask the Sky Captain about the court system, he'll give you a first hand account how the system allowed the murderer of his wife to walk free on a technicality.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by Mark Larr 

Oh please, you buncha people seem to welcome these monsters into your homes to babysit your children instead of giving them what they deserve.

Yes, that is exactly what we do.

We kidnap American tourists and rape their children after dinner. And then we play them Hasselhoff records and show them pictures of people like you, telling them that it's all YOUR fault.

Old German pastime, but what do you pitiful Americans know about Tradition, eh?

[G Barnett]

No system is perfect. None. But the one we have is a far cry better than allowing emotional rushes to judgement, vigilante-style kangaroo courts and rushing to execution which can never be undone, even if later evidence proves the poor bastard was innocent the whole time.

You seem to want a world of pure black and white, pure good and evil. It doesn't exist. Yes, pure good and pure evil can and do exist, but they're extremes and abberations; most of life happens in between. Our system of justice tries to account for those areas in between.

Besides, how would your way have handled the situation you linked, anyway? A mob dragging the deputy away and hanging him right then and there? Under your way, the police would be within their legal rights at that point to open fire on the whole mob and blow all of you away on the spot.

The US legal system ain't perfect; nothing that deals with human greed and emotion and actions ever can be. That's no excuse to scrap it and revert to mob-rule and barbarism.

[Mark Larr]

Originally Posted by analogika 

Yes, that is exactly what we do.

And then we play them Hasselhoff records

Hasselhoff? Hasselhoff!!!!!???

You animal, have you no soul at all?

[sek929]

Originally Posted by G Barnett 

No system is perfect. None. But the one we have is a far cry better than allowing emotional rushes to judgement, vigilante-style kangaroo courts and rushing to execution which can never be undone, even if later evidence proves the poor bastard was innocent the whole time.

You seem to want a world of pure black and white, pure good and evil. It doesn't exist. Yes, pure good and pure evil can and do exist, but they're extremes and abberations; most of life happens in between. Our system of justice tries to account for those areas in between.

Besides, how would your way have handled the situation you linked, anyway? A mob dragging the deputy away and hanging him right then and there? Under your way, the police would be within their legal rights at that point to open fire on the whole mob and blow all of you away on the spot.

The US legal system ain't perfect; nothing that deals with human greed and emotion and actions ever can be. That's no excuse to scrap it and revert to mob-rule and barbarism.

SMACKDOWN

This thread is now useless thanks to this post.

[Mark Larr]

Innocents are still dead, the guilty still are free to do it again , and the peanut gallery pat themselves on the back.

[sek929]

Move to North Korea then, this is our system, without it we'd be no better than any of the third-world countries that are discussed in this forum.

[Millennium]

Originally Posted by Mark Larr 

Allowing a known repeat child predator to kill is never, ever, ever, acceptable.

Never, ever? Would it be acceptable to start a witch-hunt, then, to get the pedophiles off the streets? Because that's what happens when we start breaching due process. Hell; sometimes it happens even when due process is followed religiously. But surely you can understand how the only thing worse than ten free pedophiles is a witch-hunt that wrongly convicts ten innocent people because they didn't follow the procedures to keep that from happenning?

[Mark Larr]

Originally Posted by sek929 

Move to North Korea then, this is our system, without it we'd be no better than any of the third-world countries that are discussed in this forum.

North Korea is the socialist utopian model the left is striving hard to acheive.

[G Barnett]

Originally Posted by Mark Larr 

North Korea is the socialist utopian model the left is striving hard to acheive.

No, no, it's the totalitarian dictatorship the right is striving so hard to achieve.

See? I can do straw-man ad hominems just as well as you can!

(Of course, now I need to go wash my hands as doing so makes me feel dirty....)

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by analogika 

Yes, that is exactly what we do.

We kidnap American tourists and rape their children after dinner. And then we play them Hasselhoff records and show them pictures of people like you, telling them that it's all YOUR fault.

Old German pastime, but what do you pitiful Americans know about Tradition, eh?

-t

[badidea]

Originally Posted by Mark Larr 

Demonhood told me to drop it.

I suggest you do the same.

Drop it????????????????
Drop what? You already did it!

I thought you are so much better than us child-molester-sympathizers?
How about you apologize to christ (<- the MacNN member of course)?

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by Mark Larr 

Here is what I said.
"I also think that the DA should be held accountable for railroading an innocent person."

Y'all so involved with welcoming these known repeat sexual predators into your homes, Y'all have selective amnesia over just how bad of a monster they really are.

Or is it merely the usual to oppose what is good and right?

Well, then we're agreed on the accountability point. No need to get all knotted up.

[Sky Captain]

The system is broken when you become the victim.
There is only "justice" for the purportrator.

I'm doubting very many here, if not less than 2, has had to face a murderer in court.
And watch their "defense" try to tear you apart. And then paint the purportrator as the "victim".
Then they pleade out. And get to walk away after a few years, leaving devistation in their wake.
And it's all OK now.

Fry them all.

[analogika]

German pastime.

Now, where are those kids?

[sek929]

Originally Posted by Mark Larr 

North Korea is the socialist utopian model the left is striving hard to acheive.

Who is this "left?" Also, why do you fear them so much?

Maybe some problems are inherently human and not a fault of any political party.

Ever consider that?

[christ]

Originally Posted by Mark Larr 

Demonhood told me to drop it.

I suggest you do the same.

Thank you for your suggestion.

Forgive me if I don't feel that the issue has been resolved.