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The Final Dakar  (op)
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Sep 7, 2017, 11:19 AM
 
Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
Obama in his own words.

What if Trump signed an XO for his own DACA, Deferred Action for Corporate Assets, in which he waived penalties and fines for moving off shore corporate assess back to the US. Would you say the same thing about the courts needing to establish if he has the authority?

The travel ban is authorized by existing legislation. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182
...and yet it got pruned to hell and back by the courts. I think I even read all those people that got screwed by the first implementation can reapply for visas.
     
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Sep 7, 2017, 11:22 AM
 
Chongo do you acknowledge that congress is also at fault for the current situation as Obama?
     
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Sep 17, 2017, 02:56 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Chongo do you acknowledge that congress is also at fault for the current situation as Obama?
Ever since the Reagan amnesty. Obama had both houses and chose to foist ObamaCare on us instead of working on immigration reform.

Here is St Thomas Aquinas' view from his Summa

http://www.returntoorder.org/2014/07...immigration-2/


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Sep 18, 2017, 02:49 PM
 
Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
Ever since the Reagan amnesty. Obama had both houses and chose to foist ObamaCare on us instead of working on immigration reform.
Here's a fun one:

In the last, say, 15 years, which has killed more Americans:
- Illegal immigrants
- Deficient health care
     
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Sep 18, 2017, 03:19 PM
 
Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
Ever since the Reagan amnesty. Obama had both houses and chose to foist ObamaCare on us instead of working on immigration reform.
Excuse me but he worked on both. Just because you don't like the order or the former doesn't mean he didn't try to make good.
     
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Sep 18, 2017, 03:44 PM
 
Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
Here's a fun one:

In the last, say, 15 years, which has killed more Americans:
- Illegal immigrants
- Deficient health care
That depends on who his defining "deficient healthcare" Would that include or exclude the VA system deaths?
This is page one of a letter from the DHS Sec. Johnson covering a four year period (2010-14) in which criminals with previous convictions were responsible for at least 121 murders. This does not cover those murdered by those without a US criminal record, yet here illegally.


Full letter:
http://www.miamiherald.com/latest-ne...ICE_Letter.pdf
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Sep 18, 2017, 03:49 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Excuse me but he worked on both. Just because you don't like the order or the former doesn't mean he didn't try to make good.
And he didn't get immigration reform with both house because......? Remember Obama had 57 seats in the Senate
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Sep 18, 2017, 03:54 PM
 
Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
And he didn't get immigration reform with both house because......? Remember Obama had 57 seats in the Senate
I already covered this above in a response to you.

Now, explain to me why a dem majority is necessary to pass immigration reform.
     
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Sep 18, 2017, 04:16 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
I already covered this above in a response to you.

Now, explain to me why a dem majority is necessary to pass immigration reform.
If they did, they did not try very hard. Can you cite the HB or SB number?
Necessary? No. Easier? Yes. The (D) controlled Congress passed ObamaCare without a single (R) vote. You think they could have multitasked and passed a reform bill that also did not require a single (R) vote. You know, pass the bill, then found out what was in it.
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Sep 18, 2017, 04:35 PM
 
Chongo, you're arguing for Democrats 'ramming' an immigration bill through. The lengths you'll go to to blame Obama and the Democrats is amazing.
     
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Sep 18, 2017, 04:44 PM
 
No, just pointing out that Obama missed an opportunity to get an immigration reform bill passed while the Democrats had control of both houses and the WH.
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Sep 19, 2017, 11:37 AM
 
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No, just pointing out that Obama missed an opportunity to get an immigration reform bill passed while the Democrats had control of both houses and the WH.
No you're not. You're giving him disingenuous shit for not ramming it through. If he had done what you're suggesting you'd be criticizing the bill for being partisan or rushed. Youre playing pure politics here.
     
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Sep 19, 2017, 04:25 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Youre playing pure politics here.
In the PWL? Say it ain't so, Joe!

If he had done what you're suggesting you'd be criticizing the bill for being partisan or rushed.
Yeah, go on and tell him what else he would do.
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Sep 19, 2017, 05:31 PM
 
Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
Yeah, go on and tell him what else he would do.
We don't need Chongo to weigh in to know how Chongo feels about anything. Take the standard Republican line fed to him by his conservative Facebook echo chamber, add a healthy dose of Catholicism, a dash of memes, and then copy and paste a 3000 word speech that's barely relevant to the topic. Boom, perfect Chongo post.
     
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Sep 19, 2017, 06:13 PM
 
Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
We don't need Chongo to weigh in to know how Chongo feels about anything.
or you either, FTM.
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Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
We don't need Chongo to weigh in to know how Chongo feels about anything. Take the standard Republican line fed to him by his conservative Facebook echo chamber, add a healthy dose of Catholicism, a dash of memes, and then copy and paste a 3000 word speech that's barely relevant to the topic. Boom, perfect Chongo post.

I think you have his formula down. What's Tightpant's formula?
     
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Sep 19, 2017, 07:13 PM
 
Originally Posted by Saul Alinsky
We don't need Laminar/WAS/Poco/besson to weigh in to know how Laminar/WAS/Poco/besson feels about anything. Take the standard socialist line fed to him by his socialist HuffPo echo chamber, add a healthy dose of anti-Catholicism, Boom, perfect Laminar/WAS/Poco/besson post.
On point Saul.
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Sep 20, 2017, 12:30 PM
 
****, shit, two-dollar word, tone police.

Perfect subego post.
     
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Sep 20, 2017, 01:03 PM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
****, shit, two-dollar word, tone police.

Perfect subego post.

I think if I were to impersonate your posts I would just make my language really complicated to comprehend
     
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Sep 20, 2017, 02:20 PM
 
Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
On point Saul.
A socialist anti-Catholic who reads HuffPo? Which posts of mine reflect that?
     
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Sep 20, 2017, 02:32 PM
 
Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
A socialist anti-Catholic who reads HuffPo? Which posts of mine reflect that?
Well you don't seem committed to repealing 'Obamacare ' and seeing as Obama was socialist and anti catholic, well, here we are.


I'm going to assume chongo has concede he was being a hypocrite about Obama not getting the Dream act done. That or he's saying he's not against how the ACA was done but merely it's content.
     
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Sep 20, 2017, 03:03 PM
 
Look you guys, there's like this Catholic hospital that doesn't charge to treat people, so why do we need health insurance at all? All of those people that are bankrupt from medical bills, suffering due to inability to afford treatment, or have died due to lack of available healthcare are suckers for not just popping over to the free Catholic hospital!
     
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Look you guys, there's like this Catholic hospital that doesn't charge to treat people, so why do we need health insurance at all? All of those people that are bankrupt from medical bills, suffering due to inability to afford treatment, or have died due to lack of available healthcare are suckers for not just popping over to the free Catholic hospital!

I know that enjoying seeing somebody mocked is a sin that I will go to hell for, but this was a beaut!
     
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Sep 21, 2017, 02:27 AM
 
I'm anti-all religion. Not specifically anti-Catholic.
I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
     
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Sep 21, 2017, 11:14 AM
 
Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
Look you guys, there's like this Catholic hospital that doesn't charge to treat people, so why do we need health insurance at all? All of those people that are bankrupt from medical bills, suffering due to inability to afford treatment, or have died due to lack of available healthcare are suckers for not just popping over to the free Catholic hospital!
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I know that enjoying seeing somebody mocked is a sin that I will go to hell for, but this was a beaut!
You can mock all you want, but this was the case in the not too distant past, especially the hospitals run by religious orders.
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Sep 21, 2017, 11:37 AM
 
Well, as long as your ailment doesn't involve your reproductive organs, sure.
     
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Sep 21, 2017, 12:17 PM
 
Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
You can mock all you want, but this was the case in the not too distant past, especially the hospitals run by religious orders.
Yeah, I'm still waiting to hear your solution for addressing the #1 cause of bankruptcy in the US, how the US spends more per capita on healthcare than any other country and for worse outcomes, and the 45,000 people that die each year due to lack of health insurance.

"Go to the free Catholic hospital" isn't a solution. But that's an argument for a different thread.
     
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Sep 21, 2017, 12:18 PM
 
Define not too distant past.
     
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Sep 26, 2017, 07:11 PM
 
Is it me, or is there something contradictory about being the pro-family party but also being against chain-migration?
     
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Or being the pro-business party but also being against cheap, exploitable labor.
     
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Or being the pro-business party but also being against cheap, exploitable labor.
That'd be ok if it was an ethical thing. It's not.
     
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Dec 19, 2017, 06:54 PM
 
Looks like Dems lack the balls to push for DACA

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Jan 16, 2018, 12:20 AM
 
If DACA was put to a vote in congress, would it fail?

If it was sent to Trump's desk, would he veto it?
     
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Jan 18, 2018, 08:36 PM
 
Man, the GOP really doesn't want to vote on DACA. Weird, that.
     
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What is the GOP stance on DACA? Are they in favor it but don't want to upset hardliners, In favor afraid of their voters, Against but don't want to admit it, or something else?
     
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http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3...eal-impossible
GOP Sen. Lindsey Graham (S.C.) warned on Sunday that the White House staff is undercutting President Trump and Congress's ability to get a deal on immigration.

"Every time we have a proposal it is only yanked back by staff members. As long as Stephen Miller is in charge of negotiating immigration, we're going nowhere," Graham told reporters as he headed into a closed-door negotiation with a bipartisan group of senators.

He added that "the White House staff, I think, is making it very difficult."
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Jan 22, 2018, 11:57 PM
 
Back in three weeks, unless the Senate actually votes on a immigration bill
     
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Pelosi just made a stand on DACA. Whether that's to mitigate how boxed in the Democrats are on the issue remains to be seen. Polls showed that while the majority supports DACA, they don't support a shutdown over it.
     
 
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