[besson3c]

It looks like my censor censors shit. Oh well, I don't give a shit.

[besson3c]

Stir ponies and rainbows up


*aha* there we go... Shit needs to be accompanied with a stirring action to trigger the censor.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by screener 

Wow. that's so sad.
Try googling Glen Beck lies, but then nothing anyone says, even Beck's own words would change your mind.
Kinda like them birther loons.

What do birthers have to do with anything? Beck thinks the birther nonsense is "as dumb as it gets" and has a running joke about these theorists; Obama's KGB "control", preemptively placed Obama's birth announcement in a 1961 Hawaiian newspapers with a "roadmap" of getting an African man into office. So, what's sadder than listening to Glenn Beck? Being the loon who brings up things like birthers in a discussion about something entirely unrelated. Haliburton! CHENEY!!!



Okay screamer, assuming I wouldn't be equally convincing by posting the Google results for Obama Lies (as POTUS with the largest megaphone on the globe); I did exactly as you said and Googled 'Glenn Beck Lies'. These were among the first things I found:

Beck:I have to tell you, I hate Woodrow Wilson with everything in me, God bless you. No you don’t, Glenn, you LOVE Woodrow Wilson because he is dead and therefore cannot defend his ideas against your inaccurate interpretation of them. If it weren’t for your imaginary war on “progressives” you might be where you belong, out on the street doing tricks for a buck or two.

Hmm, not really a lie, but a perfect opportunity for hollow rhetoric and insult.

Beck: I have always believed that, I have always wanted to believe that: that tomorrow is going to be better than it is today. Not so. In 1986 the only reasons that you didn’t commit suicide was that, in your own words, you were “too much of a coward” and “too stupid”. Your empire is based on fear, the belief that tomorrow is going to be worse than today. Making $32 million a year, hey, that’s not a bad gig, even if it is based on a bullshit scary lie.

Nice... bring up the absolute worst time in a guy's life. Not so much a lie, but a perfect opportunity to smear him. I certainly would not maintain that the guy is without error, but what most are calling lies are simply disagreements. There's a difference. Don't take my word for it, google Glenn Beck Lies yourself and read through 'em. Would you apply the same level of scrutiny to your figure of choice, then insist they are liars? Hell no you wouldn't!

You for example, are in the #1 camp. Your folks would be proud.

[lpkmckenna]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

I listen to his radio program when I get a chance. He is sarcastic, emotional, and driven to the nth degree. His research and the research of his team are exhaustive and the people he incites with indoctrination are among the most honest bloc of any you'll find in this country; equally as hard on Republicans as Democrats. You'll rarely hear anything of substance against him. I've illustrated this phenomena on MacNN repeatedly.

I think far, far less of you for this comment. Beck is a farking loon. As for his "honest audience" who are hard on Republicans and Democrats alike, I've met these people (even in Canada) and they are myopic, ultraconservative loons. When the Republican party isn't conservative enough for you, you just might be a friggin' clueless twit.

He gets ridiculed for decrying socialism and communism and there are generally two camps of opposition to his message ... Those who do not know what socialism or communism is that they can't see its principles at play in their own systems.

Socialism/communism is gov't ownership of all or most productive property. It is a dead ideology with very few adherents in the west. Ergo, there is no socialism/communism at play in our systems.

The word "socialism" is sometimes used as a name for a strong welfare state and strong labor unions, mostly by European parties that used to be socialist but abandoned socialism in the 80s (for instance, the British Labor party or the NDP in Canada). But that's not "socialism," it's capitalism. All parties bicker about what's too much or too little welfare state, but everyone except Libertarians are comfortable with a welfare state of some kind.

This camp manifests itself in the usual way via personal jabs.

Talk like an idiot, get called out as an idiot.

Those that generally appreciate socialist/communist principles and feel it is important to give these principles a fair hearing. They'd rather Beck just STFU.

A vanishingly-small and irrelevant group.

After all, their picture-book heros are wrought with those who would advocate social justice by any means necessary.

Another vanishingly small group. Overwhelmingly, liberals, progressives and "social democrats" are admirers of Gandhi and MLK and regard violence as counter-productive. Stop pretending 60s-era groups like the Black Panthers and Weatherman are relevant today.

While they can see that their opposition only bolsters the popularity of the figures they despise, they simply can't help themselves.

The popularity of Beck is not the result of opposition, it's the enormous market for stupidity in the United States. I can't remember who said this, but no one ever lost a dime banking on the stupidity of Americans.

[lpkmckenna]

How's this for lying, ebuddy?
Beck Beck admits to lying about holding Washington's handwritten speech.

Regardless, my problem with Beck isn't lying, but his wingnut loonacy, like this:
We’re Being Indocrinated: Abolish Public Schools.

[lpkmckenna]

Another shooting of a 9 yr old girl in Tucson. This time by right-wing vigilantees fighting "drugs and illegal immigration, back in May 2009.

This was the kind of thing that motivated Sherrif Dupnik to accurately label Arizona a Mecca for intolerance and bigotry.

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Originally Posted by lpkmckenna 

I think far, far less of you for this comment.\

He was one of the few wingers here I had some respect for until his defense of Palin.

The loony right seems to have an attraction for him.

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Originally Posted by ebuddy 

What do birthers have to do with anything?

Get a grip.
Same mentality, defend to the death your belief and ignore anything to the contrary.
Seriously, you didn't get that?
WTF is wrong with you.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna 

I think far, far less of you for this comment.

Don't give up on me mckenna. Prior to this thread, I wasn't sure that I could think any less of you either.

Beck is a farking loon. As for his "honest audience" who are hard on Republicans and Democrats alike, I've met these people (even in Canada) and they are myopic, ultraconservative loons. When the Republican party isn't conservative enough for you, you just might be a friggin' clueless twit.

Your personal opinion is certainly noted, but lacks... well, as usual it lacks a great deal of substance. Camp #1.

I used the word 'bloc' to indicate that their actions as a voting agency are among the most honest you'll see. You don't understand US politics. The problem is not the Republican party platform. While Tea Partiers are most closely aligned with a platform that is plenty conservative for most; it is the Republican party's inability to legislate in accord with this platform that is leaving many cold.

Lest there be any more room for discord between you and I, I am vastly more interested in fiscal conservatism than social.

Socialism/communism is gov't ownership of all or most productive property. It is a dead ideology with very few adherents in the west. Ergo, there is no socialism/communism at play in our systems.

You are in camp #1. False dichotomies: Prevailing systems of government do not occur overnight. Government ownership of all or most productive property would be no different. The revolutionary model may be passé and messy, but the evolutionary model is alive and well. There are few if any proponents of Socialism today that do not understand the necessity of slow-change on the US system and exploiting triggers of opportunity such as those discussed in this thread. You're readily lapping it up of course citing how dangerous these pundits are, but if you don't see a centralized authority assuming a larger share of the US economy, you're not looking.

The word "socialism" is sometimes used as a name for a strong welfare state and strong labor unions, mostly by European parties that used to be socialist but abandoned socialism in the 80s (for instance, the British Labor party or the NDP in Canada). But that's not "socialism," it's capitalism. All parties bicker about what's too much or too little welfare state, but everyone except Libertarians are comfortable with a welfare state of some kind.
Talk like an idiot, get called out as an idiot.

I don't think anyone is advocating anarchy or a State entirely void of welfare or government-sponsored provision of some sort. Most welfare in the US is doled out to the middle class and it is doing zero for wealth disparity. In this, you risk being called out as an idiot or in the least, entirely conformed to the view of camp #1 via false dichotomies and meaningless personal jabs.

A vanishingly-small and irrelevant group.
Another vanishingly small group. Overwhelmingly, liberals, progressives and "social democrats" are admirers of Gandhi and MLK and regard violence as counter-productive. Stop pretending 60s-era groups like the Black Panthers and Weatherman are relevant today.

Never before have the voices such as those of Cloward and Piven and their calls for unruly mobs been more alive in US discourse. Its self-identified socialist dogma made its way into the cabinet of the US President under the guise of Green Jobs advisory until it was called out by... Glenn Beck; the evil rotten nasty little

The popularity of Beck is not the result of opposition, it's the enormous market for stupidity in the United States. I can't remember who said this, but no one ever lost a dime banking on the stupidity of Americans.

Likely a disenfranchised canook beholden to US business and commerce. Of course, the only thing worse than stupidity is placing your life's work and livelihood in complete dependence on it. One of the reasons I moderate my time here.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by screener 

Get a grip.
Same mentality, defend to the death your belief and ignore anything to the contrary.
Seriously, you didn't get that?

No. How do your earlier comments illustrate a "defend to the death your beliefs and ignore anything to the contrary" mentality?

WTF is wrong with you.

If I had to guess offhand, I'd say it's my audience.

[Chongo]

I knew that Beck clip sounded familiar. It sounds like this old anti catholic "Chick Tract" English 'The Poor Revolutionist'

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

I knew that Beck clip sounded familiar. It sounds like this old anti catholic "Chick Tract" English 'The Poor Revolutionist'

That clip is the first time I've ever heard Beck speak. Is it just me, or does he sound like an 80's televangelist?

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Originally Posted by ebuddy 

No. How do your earlier comments illustrate a "defend to the death your beliefs and ignore anything to the contrary" mentality?

Not surprised.

[subego]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

"Chick Tract"

"No! Not Black Leaf!"

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna 

How's this for lying, ebuddy?
Beck Beck admits to lying about holding Washington's handwritten speech.

So... you link to glennbeckisanidiot.com, tag it with Beck Beck admits to lying about holding Washington's handwritten speech, and the example is Beck taking creative license in a speech on the National Mall? Seriously. So, he didn't tell his audience that gloved security wheeled the document from a vault and while no one is allowed to actually touch the document, held and turned the encased speech for him? I think he shows an appropriate degree of remorse for this lie. As I mentioned before, no one holds up to this level of scrutiny. Not MLK, not anyone.

Regardless, my problem with Beck isn't lying, but his wingnut loonacy, like this:
We’re Being Indocrinated: Abolish Public Schools.

How many examples of each would have to be provided for you to feel this is classic, important, and valid dissent? This might be a difficult concept for you, but one can be a listener without being a follower.

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Originally Posted by ebuddy 

This might be a difficult concept for you, but one can be a listener without being a follower.

Unless your a loon, nuts, ignorant, stupid, etc.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by screener 

Unless your a loon, nuts, ignorant, stupid, etc.

Just once I wish the indictments of "stupid" and "ignorant" would come from someone with a better grasp on the grammatical basics.

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Originally Posted by ebuddy 

Just once I wish the indictments of "stupid" and "ignorant" would come from someone with a better grasp on the grammatical basics.

Good freaking Grief.
Attack the grammar instead of the point.
Good one Charlie.

[lpkmckenna]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

So, he didn't tell his audience that gloved security wheeled the document from a vault and while no one is allowed to actually touch the document, held and turned the encased speech for him?

He should have just said he saw it. He had no reason for lying about holding it. It's just like Hillary's sniper-fire comment: don't tell pointless lies for bombastic effect.

How many examples of each would have to be provided for you to feel this is classic, important, and valid dissent?

It's not. Advocating an end to public schools is pointless batsh!t stupidity.

[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

So what did Glen Beck say today? I'm sure all the lefties with a man-crush on him had their ears glued to the radio hanging on his every word.

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Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE 

So what did Glen Beck say today? I'm sure all the lefties with a man-crush on him had their ears glued to the radio hanging on his every word.

That's tellin 'em.

[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

Sorry, forgot to use you guys' little nickname for him... Beck Beck.

So what did Beck Beck say today?

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna 

He should have just said he saw it. He had no reason for lying about holding it. It's just like Hillary's sniper-fire comment: don't tell pointless lies for bombastic effect.

Like I said, no one holds up to this level of scrutiny. Not MLK, not anyone.

pointless batsh!t stupidity.

Like being bent over a counter and concerning yourself with the store hours stupid. You're in good company as usual. Have at it.

[lpkmckenna]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

Like being bent over a counter and concerning yourself with the store hours stupid.

Does this collections of words mean something to someone?

[Lint Police]

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna 

Does this collections of words mean something to someone?

"You are getting raped in the ass by the shopkeep and your only concern is when they lock the doors at night."

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Originally Posted by lpkmckenna 

Does this collections of words mean something to someone?

He's losing it.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by Lint Police 

"You are getting raped in the ass by the shopkeep and your only concern is when they lock the doors at night."

On second thought, I should've just worded it this way.