[Catfish_Man]

Originally Posted by CatOne

I have never had a problem with any update. What is screwed up? You *must* be using lots of haxies or nonstandard extensions that break the updates -- this is just not Apple's fault... you need to stop using poorly written tweaks that break stuff.

You're joking, I hope. (it's a little hard to tell over the net sometimes...)

[pheonixash]

Originally Posted by Dillon-K

dammit, why do Apple updates screw everything up?! it's pissing me off that I have to search the web for a week each time they release an update before i can install anything!

By your post, it seems like you haven't even installed 10.4.8 but are instead simply claiming that Apple updates break a system without even upgrading. If you look up forums, all your gonna see are problems. You need to stop being so an** and just install the update already!

[graphics84]

I detect trollish behavior... hey who hasn't been burned by an update of some kind or another...

I think most of my Apple updates have done good but I've had a bad one or two...

and that $300 phone thang.. dude it's called "Zapping" your P-Ram, old trick that used to fix about 90% of problems back in the OS 7 days.. glad it still works, didn't fix my recent problem where the update did.

[iomatic]

Sweet. My PowerBook (last gen.) is finally zipping (Snappy™). I'm so happy. Aperture is doing some Album-updating-thumbnailing crap, and Safari is whizzing. Yay!

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by graphics84

I detect trollish behavior... hey who hasn't been burned by an update of some kind or another...

<raises hand>

and that $300 phone thang.. dude it's called "Zapping" your P-Ram, old trick that used to fix about 90% of problems back in the OS 7 days.. glad it still works, didn't fix my recent problem where the update did.

90% of problems? Heh, more like 0.90%.

[fisherKing]

Originally Posted by Don Pickett

edit: That's weird. Was getting that message. Then tried one of the themes, which turned my dock back to the default. Then I was able to use TransparentDock, but I had to rebuild it.

hmmm..working as usual here. (but i AM using shapeshifter as well...)

first mac os update that didnt break transparent dock!

otherwise, seems just like 10.4.7 on my 12" powerbook...

[Eug Wanker]

Weird.

On my Cube, Software Update said the download was 32 MB or something, and then wouldn't install it properly. It gave me an error after the download. Then I rebooted and Software Update said the download was only 22.3 MB. It downloaded and installed just fine.



I haven't installed it on other my other machines yet though. It's about time I do a full backup again.

[goMac]

For the record, I've installed this on my Powerbook, my Macbook Pro, and my Cube, and all of them are working just fine.

[JKT]

Originally Posted by graphics84

hey who hasn't been burned by an update of some kind or another...

The one and only time I have had any issues caused by any of Apple's updates (and I am speaking since OS 7.2 here!) is from 10.1.x to 10.2 and that was due to WindowShadeX. I haven't had any other problems (and oddly enough, I have since stopped using haxies and the majority of system hacks - the only one I do use is Menucracker to allow a few menubar items and if anything does go wrong with an update it'll be the first thing I disable when I try to recover the system).

Actually that isn't strictly true. 10.0 to 10.0.x (or was it 10.1.x... can't remember when it was finally fixed) did have that major hanging bug when using a modem, which was a royal PITA, so I guess that counts as an update issue (9 to 10).

[Peter]

I've never had any issues at home or at work (30+ Macs).
Well actually installing the Security Update for Airport temporarily killed an iBook at work..

[slugslugslug]

10.4.7 was the first update that ever gave me serious problems: had to wipe my Ti and reinstall from a Carbon Copy Cloner backup. But then, daring guy that I am, I did it again and it worked fine.

10.4.8 was the first update where I've actually perceived some improvement in Teh Snappy: haven't had a single beachball in Safari, which has been open for days and hovering around 30 tabs in 5 windows, on my iMac G5 2.0 GHz.

[TheTraveller]

I was a little nervous about applying this update because I have some very important work I need to get done today, but since I've never ever had a serious, show-stopping problem when applying an update, I figured what the heck. I did a repair permissions beforehand, downloaded the combo updater, and ran it. My Intel Mac Mini did restart twice, but after that everything is fine - no bluish tinge to the screen, everything seems fine. Don't know if it's any snappier or not, but it's certainly no less snappy than it was before.

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Weird.

On my Cube, Software Update said the download was 32 MB or something, and then wouldn't install it properly.

What error did it give you exactly? I had the same problem with my cube and I found out one of the RAM sticks went bad so when it was verifying the disk image and loaded into that RAM space it failed verification. Another time it worked because it skipped that RAM space.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

What error did it give you exactly? I had the same problem with my cube and I found out one of the RAM sticks went bad so when it was verifying the disk image and loaded into that RAM space it failed verification. Another time it worked because it skipped that RAM space.

Yeah, I was wondering about that. I'll be testing the RAM soon enough. Thx.

[EdipisReks]

my CPU is now running at 2.16 almost constantly. i'm losing about 20 minutes of battery life, but the machine is actually running cooler than it did before. however, the whine has come back intermittently after the 10.4.8 update. i had my logic board replaced due to the whine, so i'm not terribly pleased to hear it again.

[CharlesS]

Well, it seems that 10.4.8 fixes the nasty math bugs in the Intel version, at least as far as I can tell.

Unfortunately, it does not fix the massive showstopper bugs that make the Resource Manager completely unusable on Intel.

One nice thing I've found is that OS X now seems to detect my Bluetooth devices much more quickly. It used to be that I'd be stuck at the login screen for maybe about 10-15 seconds before it would actually pair with my keyboard and allow me to enter my password. Now, it's pretty much instantaneous.

[Cei]

Anybody else looked at their CPUs under 10.4.8?

My MacBook 2.0 is running at full tilt, 2.0Ghz on both cores, resulting in much higher temps than before (58 compared to a mere 27). It previously sat at 1.5Ghz (this is according to cdt).

A friend's MBP has done the same, her CPUs are going at the full 2.16Ghz.


What gives? It's taking battery life down and raising my temps

[Chuckit]

It turns out 10.4.8 does include threaded OpenGL, but it's not in the release notes.

[iomatic]

What means, this? OpenGL threaded no understandy


Could explain faster PowerBook? Hooray.

Originally Posted by Chuckit

It turns out 10.4.8 does include threaded OpenGL, but it's not in the release notes.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by iomatic

What means, this? OpenGL threaded no understandy


Could explain faster PowerBook? Hooray.

It wouldn't explain a faster PowerBook. It's basically something developers can take advantage of on most Intel Macs to speed up graphics processing (e.g. better framerates in games). I commented a couple of pages back that I was surprised it didn't make it in, but it turns out it did and Apple just didn't mention it.

[cwosigns]

I just bought a new MacBook tonight and am in the middle of doing a boatload of software updates. I was a little concerned because it restarted twice, but it seems everything is fine. Still downloading the other updates...geez this takes a long time.

[greenamp]

Originally Posted by Cei

Anybody else looked at their CPUs under 10.4.8?

My MacBook 2.0 is running at full tilt, 2.0Ghz on both cores, resulting in much higher temps than before (58 compared to a mere 27). It previously sat at 1.5Ghz (this is according to cdt).

A friend's MBP has done the same, her CPUs are going at the full 2.16Ghz.


What gives? It's taking battery life down and raising my temps

This is happeneing to a lot of people, myself included, after 10.4.8. There are several threads about it on the Apple support boards.

Mine pretty much stays at 2.17 now, with temps about 10c hotter, and 30-45 minutes less battery life than before. I sure hope this wasn't Apple's way of fixing the CPU whine some people had.

[JKT]

Have you tried resetting the power management?

[graphics84]

power managment AKA "P-ram" for the record.. worked at a mac store for years and yes is did solve 90% of my customers problems.. now if your like me and seem to push your mac till it brakes.. well it doesn't do much (the old me)

as for the update:

made my Macbook restart twice on install

seems to have fixed my MB heat problems

both my G5 and MB feel snappy.. most of the time updates have seemed to make my systems run better (something fixing permissions never really does).

[Person Man]

Originally Posted by CharlesS

Unfortunately, it does not fix the massive showstopper bugs that make the Resource Manager completely unusable on Intel.

What bugs would those be, and why do they make the Resource Manager completely unusable?

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by Person Man

What bugs would those be, and why do they make the Resource Manager completely unusable?

Certain functions, two of them being GetResourceSize() and GetMaxResourceSize(), seem to be sometimes returning a big-endian value and sometimes returning a little-endian value, and it's seemingly random. I was able to write a "sanity check" function for the sizes that checked both the value and the byte-swapped version, and used whichever made more sense, but then another problem popped up in some other Resource Manager function which I wasn't able to work around. I don't remember exactly what function that was, but I think it was something along the lines of some Resource Manager function sporadically crashing when I tried to use it. Suffice to say, the Resource Manager is pretty screwed up on Intel, and the project I was working on that used it has to go on hold until it's fixed.

[Big Mac]

OpenGL threading is available on Mactels but not on Macs?

[Art Vandelay]

Originally Posted by graphics84

power managment AKA "P-ram" for the record.. worked at a mac store for years and yes is did solve 90% of my customers problems.. now if your like me and seem to push your mac till it brakes.. well it doesn't do much (the old me).

You're confusing the PMU (SMU on newer models) with PRAM. PRAM or Parameter RAM stores very little these days. The fact that you worked at a Mac store and don't know the difference is a little disconcerting.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86194

[Big Mac]

Zapping the PRAM never solved a single problem for me in the classic Mac OS days. It made my LC function worse, actually.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Big Mac

OpenGL threading is available on Mactels but not on Macs?

The official line is any Mac with a dual core processor.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Person Man

What bugs would those be, and why do they make the Resource Manager completely unusable?

I have tons of issues with the resource manager under Carbon on x86 too. For some files it seems to work just great, but for other files it simply doesn't work. I haven't taken the time to debug that code yet.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by goMac

The official line is any Mac with a dual core processor.

As far as I know, though, there are no upgraded graphics drivers in the PowerPC update.

[Jonesy]

One thing I have found in 10.4.8 is that they have fixed my USB 2.0 card problems at last. Now I can put my mac to sleep with devices plugged in without it freezing, then wake it up with it recognising the card. Throughout 10.4.7 I had to shut down my G4 PowerMac. Now all is well again. I am so pleased with this small thing alone.

[graphics84]

Originally Posted by Art Vandelay

You're confusing the PMU (SMU on newer models) with PRAM. PRAM or Parameter RAM stores very little these days. The fact that you worked at a Mac store and don't know the difference is a little disconcerting.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86194

ok, yeah not the Exact same thing but the action could acomplishes both or either.. so who cares if it's for one or the other... I forgot how forums are full of a bunch of nitpickers... I'm suprised nobody has complained about my grammer

[dimmer]

I'll start with your fugly capitalization, and let others have at the grammer, gramma. (it's all love, you know it.)

[graphics84]

Originally Posted by dimmer

I'll start with your fugly capitalization, and let others have at the grammer, gramma. (it's all love, you know it.)

and my next few years hiatus from the MacNN forums starts... now

[jasonsRX7]

Originally Posted by popstand

Anybody experiencing longer startup times with this update. Both my Macs stay on the solid gray screen much longer at startup than they did before the update. Not so much an issue for my home Mac, which stays on all the time, but a bit of a hindrance for the laptop.

I've installed 10.4.8 on three systems now, with no problems on my G5, but both my MacBook and PowerBook have failed to reboot after the upgrade. I'm not running any "haxies" or anything, just Quicksilver on all my systems. The MacBook even was fresh out of the box when the update failed, only Quicksilver had been installed, I had to do an archive and install to fix it.

Both systems just sat at the gray Apple screen with the spinning circle, and never boot. My PowerBook has been sitting for over an hour now. Safe boot doesn't work, and they can't boot to a command prompt. Going to do an archive and install on it now, I guess.

Just thought I'd mention it.

[ghporter]

Gonna let someone with less seniority on the board intimidate you? Don't do it, graphics84!

Seriously, can we stay on topic? Like this new update?

[Cadaver]

Originally Posted by graphics84

as for the update:

made my Macbook restart twice on install
.

According to the ReadMe, this is normal for this update (10.4.8 delta or combo) on Intel-based Macs.

[Art Vandelay]

Originally Posted by graphics84

ok, yeah not the Exact same thing but the action could acomplishes both or either.. so who cares if it's for one or the other... I forgot how forums are full of a bunch of nitpickers... I'm suprised nobody has complained about my grammer

Huh? Not quite sure what you're saying but I think you're saying that resetting one resets the other which isn't true. They are two completely independent systems. Zapping PRAM is done by holding Apple+Option+P+R at boot. Resetting the PMU/SMU varies from between Mac models but is not accomplished the same way.

[Simon]

For the record:

• PRAM and PMU/SMU are entirely different things
• They are reset differently (see Art's post above and the links below)
• They hold different parameters and hence resetting them resets different parameters
• They are reset independently, i.e. resetting one does not reset the other

And here are a couple of links:

Mac OS X: What's stored in PRAM?
Resetting your Mac's PRAM and NVRAM
iMac G5: How to Reset the SMU
How to reset the SMU on a Power Mac G5 (Late 2004) or Power Mac G5 (Late 2005)
Resetting MacBook and MacBook Pro Power Management Unit (PMU)
Resetting PowerBook and iBook Power Management Unit (PMU)
Mac mini: How to Reset the PMU

[bloodline]

Originally Posted by jasonsRX7

I've installed 10.4.8 on three systems now, with no problems on my G5, but both my MacBook and PowerBook have failed to reboot after the upgrade. I'm not running any "haxies" or anything, just Quicksilver on all my systems. The MacBook even was fresh out of the box when the update failed, only Quicksilver had been installed, I had to do an archive and install to fix it.

Both systems just sat at the gray Apple screen with the spinning circle, and never boot. My PowerBook has been sitting for over an hour now. Safe boot doesn't work, and they can't boot to a command prompt. Going to do an archive and install on it now, I guess.

Just thought I'd mention it.

Hold Apple+V to see what is happening during the boot process.

[EdipisReks]

regarding the whine that i mentioned, i no longer think that it's the same as the C4 idle process, as it's there in Windows XP and even before any OS is booted. i don't think it's a fan bearing going bad, either, as the whine happened immediately upon the first boot to OS X.4.8, and it is there when the machine is cool enough that fans running should be unnecessary. i've never seen a fan that could detect what OS revision you were running. i called AppleCare and talked to a specialist, and my case is being sent up to the engineering division. apparently they have been unaware of all the macbook and macbook pro users who have noticed the PMU working differently than it did before (lack of CPU throttling, lower battery life, higher temps, etc), so who knows what will happen.

[WOPR]

No dramas at all here with 10.4.8 on my new iMac Core 2 Duo, my TiBook 550, a G4 400 or my Dual G5 at work.

[papworth]

I think this update has killed spotlight's ability to search my entourage database. Mac Mail doesn't seem to have been affected. Any ideas as to how to fix this?
Both machines that have been updated have increased snap, with my 12" revA pb running cooler and quieter.

Friday 6 Oct.
FYI, I have fixed the problem with spotlight not being able to read my entourage emails by replacing the package "Microsoft Entourage.mdimporter" into "root/library/spotlight". Restarting brought entourage searching back to life, Yay!

[cwosigns]

2.0 GHz MacBook White here...no issues.

[silver]

Hi all,
Updated my 3 machines no problems so far. On my MBP 17" no whine to report all though I didn't have it to begin with.


silver

[studgrade]

Hi guys. Took the plunge yesterday and updated my PowerMac G4 933 MHz from 10.4.6 to 10.4.8. Repaired permissions before and after the update. No problems to report.

Later...