[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Originally posted by typoon:
Same things were said when the US store first opened. It's more convience than anything else. You order album, wait one day before you get it. iTMS, you browse to the album you want, download said album, start listening/burning/transferring to iPod. All done on the same day.

Or hit limewire and get it for free a week before the album comes out.

[Jadey]

Apple couldn't have priced the songs here for any more. They had to price it competitively with the 4 other music download services already operating in Canada. Also, CDs are a lot cheaper in Canada. If we paid 99� U.S. per song, we'd save money by buying the CD. It's not about exchange rates- Apple has to be competitive.

Like others have said in this thread, we still take is up the a$$ in Apple hardware, where we pay several hundred dollars more than in the states.

Also, the Americans are getting a deal compared to the Europeans, so I don't know they're bitching here.

[typoon]

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Or hit limewire and get it for free a week before the album comes out.

True and get people's crappy rips of the album.

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Originally posted by typoon:
True and get people's crappy rips of the album.

192 Mp3 sound just dandy to me, especially on the crappy iPod headphones.

[typoon]

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
192 Mp3 sound just dandy to me, especially on the crappy iPod headphones.

I know. once you find one and are able to download it from limewire.

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Originally posted by typoon:
I know. once you find one and are able to download it from limewire.

In 5 years of doing it I have never found it to be the slightest problem, probably a minute total.

Or are you trying to push that marketing bit on me?

[typoon]

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
In 5 years of doing it I have never found it to be the slightest problem, probably a minute total.

Or are you trying to push that marketing bit on me?

Nope not at all. Not trying to push any marketing bit on anyone. I could care less where you get it from whether you steal it or buy it off iTMS or from the store.

Just making the point that all this has been said before when the US Store was first released. It's not going to stop people from getting music by other means.

[SimpleLife]

I am happy.

Downloaded the whole U2 (I only have Rattle and Hum): 99$cdn.

Unfortunately, I am not too much in popular music, si I don't expect to make many purchases.

But it is really a neat experience.

[Eug Wanker]

So how do you switch between French and English at the Canada iTMS?

Originally posted by SimpleLife:
Downloaded the whole U2 (I only have Rattle and Hum): 99$cdn.

446 songs. Wow. How long did that take? And how did you get it for CAD$99? It says $149 here. Did you have a coupon or something?

[Mac Write]

Charts and Billboard charts where there last night, now they are gone. Also some artists say 21 CD's and only 2-3 are there. So allot of gaps. I want my charts!!! I buy music based on the charts.

[SimpleLife]

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
So how do you switch between French and English at the Canada iTMS?


446 songs. Wow. How long did that take? And how did you get it for CAD$99? It says $149 here. Did you have a coupon or something?

Yep.


1) I bought the U2 iPod the day it was announced. I got it last week...
2) There was a coupon.
3) Better: I complained because there were no docks as advertised in the first week in the Apple Store
4) got the Dock free this week
5) iTunes opened last night
6) used the coupon this morning: $99 cdn
7) download occured while I was at work, but the first 30 minutes saw 145 songs downloaded...

I have a sympatico account with that sueper high speed or something...

;o))

[Superchicken]

For me most of the albums I buy sell for 18-22 bucks, so for me 12 bucks for a CD with no PST or GST is amazing. Keep in mind we have 14% sales tax in Manitoba. And apparently my friend who already bought some says that it's tax free. Anyway this is awesome!

[SimpleLife]

Originally posted by Superchicken:
For me most of the albums I buy sell for 18-22 bucks, so for me 12 bucks for a CD with no PST or GST is amazing. Keep in mind we have 14% sales tax in Manitoba. And apparently my friend who already bought some says that it's tax free. Anyway this is awesome!

I am in Quebec, so it is close to %15.

I share your pain and joice!

[Aiglos]

I can see why the store was delayed. Ashley MacIsaac doesn't have any tracks for sale. And yet he's listed...

Too bad, I liked some of his earlier work.

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
In 5 years of doing it I have never found it to be the slightest problem, probably a minute total.

Or are you trying to push that marketing bit on me?

You must be getting some pretty mainstream stuff. I almost NEVER seem to find what I want. Having said that, I have about 20 songs from ITMS (the whole process is sorta fun, really) ... but ALL of them were from the free Pepsi Cap promo last spring. Even drunk I've not yet faltered to an ITMS "impulse" purchase. I imagine that immediate, drunk purchases at 2:00 a.m is probably THE main advantage ITMS has over buying in stores.

[dlefebvre]

I just bought 10 songs and I really enjoyed it. Quick and Painless.
I downloaded many songs on Limewire and Poisened to try new stuff, even if I own 400+ CDs. It works, but I don't have the patience anymore. Sometimes, you get what you want in no time, sometimes it can be queued for days. For 99�, I don't see why I would lose my time searching for something I'm not even sure will sound good.

[kmkkid]

Originally posted by PacHead:
And perhaps Canadians should crawl around a little bit, inorder to find some much needed humor, which they are clearly lacking in.

And americans are in need of some sarcasm detecting classes.




Chris

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Originally posted by kmkkid:
And americans are in need of some sarcasm detecting classes.




Chris

Na just pachead who really needs that plus much much more.

[Kilbey]

Originally posted by Superchicken:
For me most of the albums I buy sell for 18-22 bucks, so for me 12 bucks for a CD with no PST or GST is amazing. Keep in mind we have 14% sales tax in Manitoba. And apparently my friend who already bought some says that it's tax free. Anyway this is awesome!

That's a big plus.

But, why is it tax free, do you know?

[wataru]

Originally posted by Aiglos:
I can see why the store was delayed. Ashley MacIsaac doesn't have any tracks for sale. And yet he's listed...

Too bad, I liked some of his earlier work.

Maybe the problem is that he's a man and yet has a woman's name

[Superchicken]

I should mention I've found stuff that I didn't even think would be available on the iTMS but they're there. I'm fairly happy.

Soon as I get a credit card this'll be fun

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Superchicken:

Soon as I get a credit card this'll be fun

These famous last words have been uttered before .....

[paully dub]

Originally posted by Superchicken:
Soon as I get a credit card this'll be fun

The borrower is the servant to the lender.

[ShortcutToMoncton]

I've got a fairly large library of popular and "indie" music, and I usually don't have any problems getting music off Limewire (latest downloaded albums: The Jesus & Mary Chain, Gary Jules, The Walkmen, Damien Rice, AFI, A Perfect Circle, The Weakerthans, K-Os, etc.).

*shrugs*

I'm highly against paying for downloaded music. I download entire albums off a time on Limewire, and then whenever I buy CDs I just get albums I've already downloaded. I have a hard time seeing why people buy music online at all...I've always thought opening up a CD was a huge part of the experience of getting a new album. Granted, my CD rack no longer gets perused, but I still love it.

(Besides, I rip everything at 160 kbps AAC...128 isn't as bad as Kilbey's exaggeration, but it's still definitely not CD quality.)



greg

[Kilbey]

On a side note: For you who download illegally, here's a story from my local news paper about a family being charged US$4,500 for their children downloading songs illegally. Flint Journal story.

THE FLINT JOURNAL FIRST EDITION
Thursday, December 02, 2004
By Chad Swiatecki and James L. Smith
[email protected].810.766.6237

DRYDEN TWP. - A national record company says John and Kim Harless owe $4,500 for music their two teenage children illegally downloaded from the Internet.

The Harlesses said they didn't know their children were doing anything illegal, and are determined not to pay.

The couple, both 42, were surprised when they received a FedEx package from Internet provider Charter Communications telling them that songs that had been illegally downloaded were on the family computer....

Why do people still insist on breaking the law and claiming ignorance or simply flaunting that they are breaking the law? Are you listening to too much Judas Priest illegally?

[Krusty]

What I find surprising is the furor over stealing music online. The law suits, etc. 10 years ago people would dub copies of their CDs, Tapes, whatever for their friends and nobody seemed to get their panties in a twist. Is the proportion of music distributed freely on Limewire actually greater than what was done via cassettes before ? Or is it just that it is more trackable by record companies ?

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Originally posted by Kilbey:

Why do people still insist on breaking the law and claiming ignorance or simply flaunting that they are breaking the law? Are you listening to too much Judas Priest illegally?

Thankfully it is not illegal in Canada.

[ShortcutToMoncton]

Like the man says, downloading is not illegal in Canada.

As I already said, I highly believe in downloading before buying. The amount of shi��y albums unsuspectingly bought 20 years ago must've been staggering. Before I buy anything, I've already listened to it and know that it's worth the highly extravagent price I'm paying.

greg

Originally posted by ShortcutToMoncton:
Like the man says, downloading is not illegal in Canada.

I don't know why people repeat that myth.

Read the copyright act - nowhere does it state that downloading from the Internet is the same as private copying, or that it falls under the expeption to infringing copies.

That law is vague, I'll give you that, but it does not say it is legal.

[brapper]

Originally posted by hayesk:
I don't know why people repeat that myth.

Read the copyright act - nowhere does it state that downloading from the Internet is the same as private copying, or that it falls under the expeption to infringing copies.

That law is vague, I'll give you that, but it does not say it is legal.

"Online Music Swapping Legal: Court"

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by hayesk:
I don't know why people repeat that myth.

Read the copyright act - nowhere does it state that downloading from the Internet is the same as private copying, or that it falls under the expeption to infringing copies.

That law is vague, I'll give you that, but it does not say it is legal.

Yeah, basically everyone is using this recent Canadian ruling to justify their MP3/AAC downloads. Now, because of the ruling, it's not quite illegal, but when the ruling gets overturned, I'm 100% sure that the vast majority of the people previous proclaiming the legality of private downloads on the internet in Canada will continue to download their music the same way, ie. after it becomes illegal.

Also, it IS illegal to upload songs.

For the record, I personally DO download files like this once in a while (although the vast majority of my music is legally purchased). I just don't see the point of hiding behind this.

Originally posted by brapper:
"Online Music Swapping Legal: Court"

In May 2004, the standing committee on Canadian heritage released its recommendations on strengthening copyright law. They include signing two World Intellectual Property Organization treaties that would:

Clarify the definition of distribution to include putting copyrighted material on a peer-to-peer file-sharing network. Allow music companies to use software to limit the number of copies that can be made from a recording. Make it illegal to sell software that cracks through the copy-protection coding.

BTW, one of the reasons that Canadians who download music this way are protected is not so much the legality of the practice, but because the ISPs don't have to reveal the names of these people.

As for the P2P/Kazaa ruling that it is not distribution, that is going to be heavily contested, for obvious reasons.

Furthermore, because of all of this, we pay higher prices for iPods and CDs, and such in Canada. There is a levy for P2P downloaded music, regardless of whether you use P2P networks or not.