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May 17, 2016, 09:36 AM
 
Dany gets all the best scenes.
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May 18, 2016, 02:25 AM
 
Thought she said "no more nudes"?
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May 18, 2016, 10:19 PM
 
Apparently that was a false rumour. She was I saw an interview where she proudly declared there was no body doubles used for this one.
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May 19, 2016, 10:10 AM
 
IIRC, one of the actresses in a much smaller role got tired of "only" being nude on camera, never getting to do any real acting, and wanted out. They killed off her character last season (or maybe the one before). Initially this news spread as "unnamed GoT actress doesn't want to do more nudes", with the media speculating that it Emilia Clarke. It was never true.
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May 19, 2016, 08:17 PM
 
I thought most of the actresses who were naked all the time were ex porn stars so they'd be comfortable with it.

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May 19, 2016, 10:28 PM
 
Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
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Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
I thought most of the actresses who were naked all the time were ex porn stars so they'd be comfortable with it.
A quick look through IMDB credits makes that look unlikely. Extras in the background, sure, but the women who had real acting roles and were also nude frequently appear to be regular actresses.
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Originally Posted by P View Post
A quick look through IMDB credits makes that look unlikely. Extras in the background, sure, but the women who had real acting roles and were also nude frequently appear to be regular actresses.
I think the only exception is Sibel Kekilli who had a history in porn (which was dug up by a tabloid), but she was hired after she had had a serious acting career (for which she received many awards, including 2 German Film Prizes and 2 nominations for the European Film Prize). To call her a porn star rather than a serious actress would be insulting.
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Originally Posted by OreoCookie View Post
I think the only exception is Sibel Kekilli who had a history in porn (which was dug up by a tabloid), but she was hired after she had had a serious acting career (for which she received many awards, including 2 German Film Prizes and 2 nominations for the European Film Prize). To call her a porn star rather than a serious actress would be insulting.
Did not know about that, but I agree that it would be unfair to call her a pron actress. After all, Stallone did porn early on, and I seem to remember a few other big mainstream actors as well.
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May 20, 2016, 06:24 PM
 
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A quick look through IMDB credits makes that look unlikely. Extras in the background, sure, but the women who had real acting roles and were also nude frequently appear to be regular actresses.
That must have been some fun research

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May 21, 2016, 09:10 AM
 
Heh. No, I just clicked on the names of actresses whose works I wasn't familiar with and checked how much of a career they had before GoT.
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May 23, 2016, 05:29 PM
 
Well, feminists can now stop complaining that they don't see enough penis in GoT.
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Jun 22, 2016, 06:05 AM
 
I guessed wrong about the sequence in Meereen.
 
     
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Jun 22, 2016, 06:15 AM
 
The show has definitely gone to the dogs.




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Jun 22, 2016, 12:58 PM
 
I'm starting to think this whole series is about Danaeris.

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Jun 22, 2016, 01:11 PM
 
it's about Dany and John, a prelude to their wedding.
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Jun 22, 2016, 01:25 PM
 
That's one hell of a lead-up.

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Jun 22, 2016, 02:00 PM
 
Pretty much. They're the "Ice and Fire" in the series title, "A Song of Ice and Fire".
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Jun 22, 2016, 02:40 PM
 
"So how did you two meet?"

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Jun 22, 2016, 04:11 PM
 
Can't it just be about Danaeris and Sansa?

Cause let's face it - Jon got his ass handed to him. Sansa is the true badass of the North.
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Jun 22, 2016, 04:43 PM
 
It would be funny if just one of them stayed alive 'till the end.

End shot: long close-up on Danaeris.

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Jun 22, 2016, 07:56 PM
 
Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton View Post
Can't it just be about Danaeris and Sansa?

Cause let's face it - Jon got his ass handed to him. Sansa is the true badass of the North.
Sansa got her's handed to her too... jus' sayin. Besides, everyone knows the true badass of the North is Lyanna Mormont.
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Jun 22, 2016, 08:08 PM
 
How awful would it be if the White Walkers wound up winning?

Also, alliteration.

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Jun 22, 2016, 10:29 PM
 
I'm worried about the pacing of the show. It feels like its speeding up a fair bit. Especially if the rumours of shortening seasons are true.
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Sansa got her's handed to her too... jus' sayin. Besides, everyone knows the true badass of the North is Lyanna Mormont.
....through no fault of her own. And clearly she learned a lesson Jon did not - bringing in Littlefinger while keeping it completely quiet and not trusting Jon's planning was a genius move.

I'm all-in on Danys, Sansa and Arya riding dragons and slaying ass. Boo yah!
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Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
I'm worried about the pacing of the show. It feels like its speeding up a fair bit. Especially if the rumours of shortening seasons are true.
It was just approved for an 8th season with new contracts, so they'll likely slow down and add more content now.

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....through no fault of her own. And clearly she learned a lesson Jon did not - bringing in Littlefinger while keeping it completely quiet and not trusting Jon's planning was a genius move.

I'm all-in on Danys, Sansa and Arya riding dragons and slaying ass. Boo yah!
Jon's planning was fine, he let Ramsey goad him into riding after Rickon. Coming back from the dead had made Jon somewhat suicidal, but I think the battle fixed that.

When Sansa and Arya aren't riding dragons and it's Dany and Jon, because he's a Targaryen, and you have to be of that family to ride a dragon, with Bran controlling the 3rd, will you be sad?
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Jun 23, 2016, 12:07 AM
 
Jon's planning was piss poor and failed exactly how Sansa said it would with Rickon.....that's not "fine"!

I'm not ready to say with certainty who will end up as riders but it seems that the show gave up on the books' Griff subplot, which makes the choices a bit more obvious. Either way, my purely wishful idea of Danys-Sansa-Arya is easily far more awesome than what will likely happen.....
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Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton View Post
Jon's planning was piss poor and failed exactly how Sansa said it would with Rickon.....that's not "fine"!
Did you watch the episode? Him losing his temper and charging the line was what got them slaughtered, not his plan. He threw it out the window when Rickon died and probably didn't give a s*** at that point, he was ready to go.

I'm not ready to say with certainty who will end up as riders but it seems that the show gave up on the books' Griff subplot, which makes the choices a bit more obvious. Either way, my purely wishful idea of Danys-Sansa-Arya is easily far more awesome than what will likely happen.....
I really like Arya, and Dany is fine, but Sansa is just a terrible character. One of the worst, easily. I'm not sure where you get the 3 women on dragons from, that's awful. Even Tyrion is more likely than Sansa or Arya, since he showed them some compassion by loosing them from their collars (and dragons never forget). Griff was never going to be a part of it on the show, there are only 2 Targaryens left. Either way, Bran or Tyrion on the 3rd, Jon is definitely getting a dragon.
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Riding a dragon includes bonding with them and is genetic. It is something the Targaryens brought with them from Valyria, and they've been inbreeding to try to preserve that trait. By this era, the dragons have been extinct for some time, and the Targaryens have been forced to intermarry with other high nobles because they were going insane, so not all of the Targaryens have it anymore. There are also a few bastards that have the trait as (the fake history about the original Dance of the Dragons mentions Targaryens recruiting dragonriders by rounding up known bastards around Dragonstone and sending them to dragons to see if they would bond with any of them).

This means that it isn't digital any more, but the chance of being a dragonrider is much better if you are Targaryen. The books, as mentioned in the spoilers, have a candidate for the third dragonrider who has not been introduced yet. Statistically anyone who grew up around Dragonstone has a certain chance of being a possibility, because of all the royal bastards there over the centuries. Ser Davos, perhaps?

I hated Sansa in the books, especially early on, but she has a definite arc of growing up in the series. Arya, on the other hand, was great early on but has been a bit boring recently. I think she comes back as a ninja now, but it has been dull for a while.

Tyrion wants to be lord of Casterly Rock, and that is what he will be - along with being Hand of the Queen for Dany.
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
Jon's planning was fine, he let Ramsey goad him into riding after Rickon.
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Did you watch the episode? Him losing his temper and charging the line was what got them slaughtered, not his plan. He threw it out the window when Rickon died and probably didn't give a s*** at that point, he was ready to go.
Yeah but Sansa told him A) Consider our brother dead. He is already dead. He will not survive; and B) Bolton would play with him and goad him into doing something stupid. Jon did not plan for either event that Sansa flat out told him would happen. His planning was shit.
     
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Jun 23, 2016, 01:28 PM
 
Again. The plan was fine, it's the execution that was shit.
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If I tell you that your house is going to explode tomorrow at noon, and tomorrow at noon you actively choose to sit inside your house as it explodes, did you have a good plan?
     
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Jun 23, 2016, 01:47 PM
 
If I'm already out of the house, but run back in to recover a cat (that someone had just thrown in, to lure me into returning to it), then that's execution. His plan wasn't to gallop halfway across the field to try and save Rickon and then after that charge 6000 soldiers. He made a bad decision in the heat of the moment.
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Your house is going to explode with your cat in it. There is no saving your cat. Consider your cat gone.

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Going back in isn't part of the plan, it would be a bad decision after your plan is set.
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That's missing the point. The point is that someone already told you that your house was going to burn down, you'd forget the cat, and you'd better not go back in after it.

I mean, Jon completely ****ed up the battle. Sansa contacted Littlefinger, Sansa brought him just in time, and Sansa correctly predicted what Jon's weakness would be.

Regarding the "2 Targaryens" comment.....the point is that there are actually three. But maybe that's not the story being told in the show.
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That's missing the point. The point is that someone already told you that your house was going to burn down, you'd forget the cat, and you'd better not go back in after it.
That would be the plan...

I mean, Jon completely ****ed up the battle.
Jon, due to not being himself (he's been rough around the edges since being resurrected, somewhat understandably) let his emotions override his judgement/plan and he screwed it up.

Sansa contacted Littlefinger, Sansa brought him just in time, and Sansa correctly predicted what Jon's weakness would be.
She didn't need to go far, they were camped nearby, but it was a fine idea. Jon likely would have asked her to do that earlier, if she'd bothered to tell him that Balish was essentially over the hill with 4000 troops. WTF?? How could she keep that from the commander of her own army? THAT was stupid, just as bad as Jon losing his temper and ditching his set plan.

Regarding the "2 Targaryens" comment.....the point is that there are actually three. But maybe that's not the story being told in the show.
There aren't 3 on the show, and since we're done with ADwD and there's no Jon Connington, aka Griff, anywhere to be found, there probably won't be.

1. Because there's already one Jon.
2. Because they already have someone who can control the 3rd dragon (Bran).
3. It would muddy the storyline, which is much more streamlined on the show.

The only major redaction that really bothers me is Lady Stoneheart. She's a great, if seldom seen, character in the books.

 
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I've formed a theory about the years-long seasons. Haven't read the books, but heard they're not explained there. GRRM has only said they're magical in origin.

Suppose they're tied to the Walkers. During years when the Walkers are stronger, Westerosi temps are lower, days are shorter. And when the Walkers have an army and intrude south, you get a Long Night along with them. This is supported by our only pre-Walker flashback, where they begin. Location north of where the Wall will be, with spring or summer conditions. It appears this location never fully thaws out today.

If the theory is right, the major symptoms of a Long Night won't happen so long as they're kept north of the Wall. Shorter days and lower temps, yes. But maybe not the sun below the horizon or killer blizzards everywhere.
     
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
She didn't need to go far, they were camped nearby, but it was a fine idea. Jon likely would have asked her to do that earlier, if she'd bothered to tell him that Balish was essentially over the hill with 4000 troops. WTF?? How could she keep that from the commander of her own army? THAT was stupid, just as bad as Jon losing his temper and ditching his set plan.
This was my argument as well after seeing the episode, but it was pointed out to me that Sansa didn't know where Littlefinger was. She sent a message but didn't receive a response, and she DID counsel a delay earlier. Probably Littlefinger arrived just in time.
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Home stretch, clearly. Reflections:

Does Varys have a teleporter or was the last scene on the ships months later in time?
Cersei is really crazy right now. Jamie's arc is very different from the books, so I wonder where he will end up. Since I called Tyrion last time, I'll go ahead and place him as Lord Commander of the Watch at the end of the show.
Littlefinger remains a problem.
Jorah remains missing.
Arya is back in Westeros and can use the faces, it seems. Now all we need is Nymeria and she'll be unstoppable.
By my count, Dany commands the Dothraki, the Unsullied, the combined might of Dorne and a few dragons. The Reach won't rise to stop her and everyone else except the Vale is spent after the civil war. Cersei can call on the Lannister forces and might get some help from the Riverlands, plus the fact that no one can trust Littlefinger. Can Dany lose at this point?
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Seems like Jamie is called the "Kingslayer" now for taking out a former monarch because he seriously thought about doing what Cersei actually did. I imagine there is a big rift brewing between those two. Especially now that all their children are dead.

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Can Dany lose? Only against the Night King (or a shadow assassin in the dark).
I was sad to see Margaery die (or did she?), but such is the game.
Turning all the street urchins into killers. Geez. However... that could be Arya's "in".
Walder's death was perfectly on point.
Lyanna Mormont is (still) the most badass person in the North.
Cersei is scary as **** now.
Unella's fate was the worst, by country mile. *shudder*
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Producers said today there are 13-15 episodes left in the show.

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13 episodes is a standard TV season. To stretch that out over two years as has been indicated will really suck.

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Originally Posted by P View Post
Home stretch, clearly. Reflections:

Does Varys have a teleporter or was the last scene on the ships months later in time?
Cersei is really crazy right now. Jamie's arc is very different from the books, so I wonder where he will end up. Since I called Tyrion last time, I'll go ahead and place him as Lord Commander of the Watch at the end of the show.
Littlefinger remains a problem.
Jorah remains missing.
Arya is back in Westeros and can use the faces, it seems. Now all we need is Nymeria and she'll be unstoppable.
By my count, Dany commands the Dothraki, the Unsullied, the combined might of Dorne and a few dragons. The Reach won't rise to stop her and everyone else except the Vale is spent after the civil war. Cersei can call on the Lannister forces and might get some help from the Riverlands, plus the fact that no one can trust Littlefinger. Can Dany lose at this point?



I'm guessing if Arya has had time to recover from her stab wound and get back to Westerns and infiltrate the Frey household, Varys has had time to get back from Dorne to Mereen. They are both the same side of the ocean/world right?

Jorah is looking for a cure for Stonescale or whatever its called.

Dany has the Dothraki horde, Theon and his sisters' fleet, the remaining Unsullied, three dragons, any forces made up of freed slaves from Mereen maybe plus House Tyrell and House Martell on her side. Also Tyrion of course and the Second Sons as potential reinforcements I guess, though I don't expect to see them again. Did she take a Red Priestess with her too?

Cersei has the Lannister forces, whatever is left of the Freys and presumably whatever other houses were always loyal to those two.


Who is/was Unella?



So now we have Cersei on the throne, and the others we know want it or might have a claim to it are:

Dany
Littlefinger (I expect him to wait until after the fight with the Nights King to make his move. Let everyone else die first seems like his style.
Uncle Greyjoy (I expect him to be the twist that happens before the battle with the Nights King)
Then theres Gendry. We haven't seen him in a while.


Some questions of intrigue:

Will Arya get to Cersei before Dany does?
Who will kill The Mountain? (Guessing Arya)
Will the Brotherhood have a part to play? Other than two of them being on Arya's list?
What about Melisandre?
Will Samwell discover some battle-winning secret to fight the walkers in the Library?
Will Jorah find a cure? Will he do anything more than that?

It seems like Arya has a lot to do yet.
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13 episodes is a standard TV season. To stretch that out over two years as has been indicated will really suck.

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Producers have indicated that they're running out of shooting time trying to make 10 eps, which is why ep8 this year was so...cheap. I don't think they can make 15 in a year.

Unella was the septa that Cersei was torturing.

Arya kills Cersei, or possibly Tyrion.
The Hound kills The Mountain (Cleganebowl!)
Not sure about the Brotherhood without Lady Stoneheart.
I think Samwell will find out something about Jon, like a marriage certificate between Rhaegar and Lyanna
Jorah probably has a part to play, but I'm not sure what.
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Arya kills Cersei, or possibly Tyrion.
The Hound kills The Mountain (Cleganebowl!)
Not sure about the Brotherhood without Lady Stoneheart.
I think Samwell will find out something about Jon, like a marriage certificate between Rhaegar and Lyanna
Jorah probably has a part to play, but I'm not sure what.
A marriage certificate would make Jon another legitimate claimant to the throne then?

If The Hound kills The Mountain and Arya finishes the rest of her list, that seems too satisfactory to the viewer. Maybe The Hound comes close but dies and Arya finishes the job. We definitely have to lose some more beloved characters before the end or it wouldn't be GoT.

I think Arya would be too much. Unless she finished the list first. Its had to see Jon or Dany dying and Bran seems to be the other essential part of that alliance. Will we get a happy ending overall do you think? Maybe JDB beat the Nights King then Littlefinger ends up killing all three and wins the whole thing.

Where is Brienne off to at the moment? I know she left Riverrun but is she still on Team Sansa? I guess she's headed back north to Winterfell.
Did she ever tell Sansa and/or Jon that she ran into Arya with The Hound?
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And will Aria head to Winterfell next? She has to have heard by now that her half/adopted brother and her sister conquered it back. And was Tyrion on her list? I thought only Cercei (and Joffrey, but hey, he's dead now) is left of the Lannisters on that list.
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