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Call a WAAAAMBULANCE!
Says the guy who mentioned maturity.

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Well, the whole Axanar thing really f*cked over every fan film creation out there. Star Trek just announced their fan film guidelines.

Star Trek Fan Films

"1. The fan production must be less than 15 minutes for a single self-contained story, or no more than 2 segments, episodes or parts, not to exceed 30 minutes total, with no additional seasons, episodes, parts, sequels or remakes."

So thanks, Alec Peters, you piece of shit.
As if they need to abide by them, that's not how the copyright system works.
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As if they need to abide by them, that's not how the copyright system works.
What reality are you living in?

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Keep fighting the case. That rule is silly. Lucasfilm does that with Star Wars fan films, but I understand it's done in exchange for use of downloadable sound assets. Lucasfilm lets you download legit sound clips for music, effects, etc. To get them, you have to click through the 15-minute agreement. Assuming my impression is right, you could make longer ones if you created all your own sound assets.
     
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What reality are you living in?
The one where there are Fair Use protections for transformative works that aren't being sold. I know you believe that your case is special, because you worship the franchise, but it isn't, and there's a mountain of precedence to back the makers of Axanar up. When the courts side against Paramount, due to that precedent, I can only imagine the fit you're going to throw. It'll be of Biblical proportions.
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The one where there are Fair Use protections for transformative works that aren't being sold. I know you believe that your case is special, because you worship the franchise, but it isn't, and there's a mountain of precedence to back the makers of Axanar up. When the courts side against Paramount, due to that precedent, I can only imagine the fit you're going to throw. It'll be of Biblical proportions.
And what money do they have to fight this?

Oh, right...YOURS!

Not one person in all these months have mentioned Fair Use. When you slap a name on something it starts to cause confusion. That's why this whole thing started. When AP started making money on it, that's when it got real.

$ != Fair Use. You need to learn that.

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And what money do they have to fight this?

Oh, right...YOURS!
Okay? Likely not though, since this wouldn't cost much to defend, given the precedent is already set. But keep wetting your pants, your indignant rage over something as minor as a fan-made film based on a poorly-handled, declining sci-fi property is fun to watch.

Not one person in all these months have mentioned Fair Use. When you slap a name on something it starts to cause confusion. That's why this whole thing started. When AP started making money on it, that's when it got real.
Doesn't matter, the money is for making the film, all fan films need $ to be made, you simply have your panties in a bunch over the amount for production (which is understandable since the production quality is better than the TV shows). It doesn't matter if they spend $20 or $20M to make this, the law is the same. There's no established amount for such things. What upsets Paramount is that the trailer/prequel is more engaging than their official content. It calls them out for being crappy producers.

$ != Fair Use. You need to learn that.
The irony is off the charts with that one.
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And once again, you show your bias for something that you admitted you donated a large sum to. What other expectation would anyone have that you'd defend it, even blindly so?

The movie you donated to will never get made. Ever. You will also probably never get your money back. Ever.

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And once again, you show your bias for something that you admitted you donated a large sum to. What other expectation would anyone have that you'd defend it, even blindly so?

The movie you donated to will never get made. Ever. You will also probably never get your money back. Ever.
Son, if everything I gave $$ to bore fruit you'd be able to knock me over with a feather. That's not how it works. Whether a person is into VC or a patron of the arts (I do a lot of both) they learn that you're lucky if half the projects pan out. Whether something gets made or not, I know I'm not getting my $$ back. Hell, I've had some up and disappear, like a fart in the wind. 10s of 1000s of $, or more, gone without recourse. If Axanar gets made, that's great. If it doesn't, oh well.

However, I do know a teaser trailer came out just this week, in spite of Paramount's suit (and the tantrums of a few) and they are moving forward.

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Jun 24, 2016, 12:19 AM
 
And so they're now hurting other fan productions that were fine before this. Congratulations, you're an accessory to killing an entire fan subculture.

I hope you're proud of yourself.

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And so they're now hurting other fan productions that were fine before this. Congratulations, you're an accessory to killing an entire fan subculture.

I hope you're proud of yourself.
I'm very proud the film is moving forward, that I'll likely get to see it. Nothing is hurting those fan productions, because the Paramount guidelines are bullshit and have no bearing on IP laws. If they don't move forward with the fan-made, non-profit films they want to make, that's their own fault. The pre-Abrams Star Trek they love is all but dead and has done them no favors for quite some time.
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Oh the irony.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/06/...ms-guidelines/

AP says:

"I’m really disappointed that this set of guidelines represents the studios’ best efforts on behalf of fans. These guidelines appear to have been tailor-made to shut down all of the major fan productions and stifle fandom. In no way can that be seen as supportive or encouraging, which is very disheartening."

Peters is a dope - it was his greed that caused all this in the first place.

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"Greed"? For those small salaries they were being paid? You're funny.

No one has to abide by those guidelines, if they do it's because they're uninformed or cowards.
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"Greed"? For those small salaries they were being paid? You're funny.

No one has to abide by those guidelines, if they do it's because they're uninformed or cowards.
Or respectful.

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Respect works both ways, you know?
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Respect works both ways, you know?
CBS *WAS* respectful towards STC/NV until AP came along and screwed it up for everyone.

So, think about that.

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CBS *WAS* respectful towards STC/NV until AP came along and screwed it up for everyone.

So, think about that.
As long as they were groveling and kissing Paramount's ass it was okay? For real? Why don't you think about what Star Trek fandom was like in the 80s, 90s and 00s, when people were pitching half a dozen unlicensed conventions each year, and Paramount loved it. They're the ones who changed, not the fans.
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Is that a fresh pic, or from before the latest renovation?

I've read the last renovation didn't come out well. It would be nice to compare to the latest results.
     
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Is that a fresh pic, or from before the latest renovation?

I've read the last renovation didn't come out well. It would be nice to compare to the latest results.
The Smithsonian posted it a few hours ago.

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Is that a fresh pic, or from before the latest renovation?

I've read the last renovation didn't come out well. It would be nice to compare to the latest results.
You can find lots of photos of the horrid repaint it got in 1991. The model looks great, like it did during the 2nd year of production. All the little details have been cleaned up and put back. They power up the lights 3 times a day at 11, 1 and 3pm. There are threads at Hobbytalk and Replica Prop Forum that discuss the moving, disassembly and restoration, and the cool stuff they found out about it.
     
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Lost in Space reboot coming to netflix (10 eps.). Apparently it's been in production since Nov., and nobody knew (or cared)

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I sure don't. don't care about the fanboy Trek trash either. Shame we can't get something NEW, but just retreads.
     
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Axanar fans be like...


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because Paramount execs be like...

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How stupid do you need to be to not realize Trek fans are willing to throw huge sums of money at content creators who will give them good, old-school Star Trek stories? No, let's just hold back the franchise and blame the fans for getting impatient at waiting decades for a good show The new movies, and even Enterprise, don't count. Axanar is a symptom, not the ailment. Put simply, if fans are willing to give 10s of $millions$ to make a renegade film, how much more would they shovel over for decent official content?
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How stupid do you need to be to not realize Trek fans are willing to throw huge sums of money at content creators who will give them good, old-school Star Trek stories? No, let's just hold back the franchise and blame the fans for getting impatient at waiting decades for a good show The new movies, and even Enterprise, don't count. Axanar is a symptom, not the ailment. Put simply, if fans are willing to give 10s of $millions$ to make a renegade film, how much more would they shovel over for decent official content?
So where is it, $2M later?

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So where is it, $2M later?
In production. We got a notice this week that they're working on effects. Where's the new show CBS has been talking about for 7 years?

Oh, that's right, they aren't even going to air it on their network, it's a web show. That's promising...
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In production. We got a notice this week that they're working on effects. Where's the new show CBS has been talking about for 7 years?

Oh, that's right, they aren't even going to air it on their network, it's a web show. That's promising...
Wait, so now you think you're better than CBS?

And Daredevil and Jessica Jones are Netflix shows and they're doing exceptionally well.
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You're trying to compare the quality of Netflix shows vs network web shows? Really? Anyone's better than CBS (except Fox).
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You're trying to compare the quality of Netflix shows vs network web shows? Really? Anyone's better than CBS (except Fox).
They're....uh...the same thing, dude.

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No, they aren't.
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No, they aren't.
Let's see...two paid services by major studios.

Nope, not seeing a difference.

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*Looks at the quality of House of Cards. Daredevil, and Jessica Jones*
*Looks at the CBS lineup on All Access*

Really? Do tell? Yeah, they're the same.
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*Looks at the quality of House of Cards. Daredevil, and Jessica Jones*
*Looks at the CBS lineup on All Access*

Really? Do tell? Yeah, they're the same.
it's a web show. That's promising...
So you admit web shows can be good. Thanks for contradicting yourself

Note: you didn't mention anything about CBS vs. Netflix *quality*.

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So you admit web shows can be good. Thanks for contradicting yourself

Note: you didn't mention anything about CBS vs. Netflix *quality*.
If you aren't bright enough to know the difference between network web shows and premium Netflix originals, that's on you. Of course I was talking about quality (something sorely lacking from network web exclusives). If this new Trek is even just half as good as Enterprise, I'll be shocked. CBS/Paramount is pathetic. They don't know WTF to do with the ST franchise and should sell it off to someone who does, before they trash it beyond repair with their incompetence.
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If you aren't bright enough to know the difference between network web shows and premium Netflix originals, that's on you. Of course I was talking about quality (something sorely lacking from network web exclusives). If this new Trek is even just half as good as Enterprise, I'll be shocked. CBS/Paramount is pathetic. They don't know WTF to do with the ST franchise and should sell it off to someone who does, before they trash it beyond repair with their incompetence.
Since the show isn't out yet, you have no basis for anything. Great logic, Spock.

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Since the show isn't out yet, you have no basis for anything. Great logic, Spock.
Except the rest of CBS' programming and other network web shows, you mean? Durr...
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Except the rest of CBS' programming and other network web shows, you mean? Durr...
I'll sum my feelings up in the best 'NN way I can:


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I'll sum my feelings up in the best 'NN way I can:
Living as a Paramount apologist must be hard, given they're such a sh*tty company. I can see why you'd run from that discussion with your tail between your legs.

As an aside, I'm as likely to see Axanar as you are of seeing any decent Trek made by CBS, now. At least the guys working on the former are capable of making something worth watching... and Axanar would already be out if it weren't for Paramount's jealousy.
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I guess this is what happens to people when they make a bad investment. Sad.

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C'mon, you can do better than that. I'll give you another chance, that was awful.
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In production. We got a notice this week that they're working on effects.
Any word on live filming beginning? Or at least sets construction resuming?
     
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Any word on live filming beginning? Or at least sets construction resuming?
There's issues there because Paramount has apparently resorted to threatening and bullying the actors, who have nothing to do with the legal action at all. What a classy company. Honestly, at this point I'm hoping the forthcoming film bombs and they stick a fork in the whole franchise, then sell it off to someone who knows how to make a decent product. Because at this point the Star Trek we know and love is dead.
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Any word on live filming beginning? Or at least sets construction resuming?
There's no cast yet. And quite frankly, who would work for a doomed production?

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