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Codename · Sep 27, 2002, 11:19 PM

We all know Apple cannot win against Microsoft. How long before Apple ceases to exist as Apple? By "survive," I mean as it is now to the existing to its inevitable demise; whether it's Chapter 11, a merger, a buyout or the end of the world itself.

juanvaldes · Sep 27, 2002, 11:22 PM

again?

Mr. Blur · Sep 27, 2002, 11:29 PM

apple? didn't they go out of business 25 years ago? you would have thought so if you read all the garbage printed......

digimage · Sep 28, 2002, 02:41 AM

You'd be surprised how many pc d1cks call apple "mac". As in: Mac sucks dude! or Didn't Mac go out of business?

They actually think the company is named "Mac"!

What a bunch of lame-o's.

LOL!

juanvaldes · Sep 28, 2002, 02:44 AM

Originally posted by digimage:
You'd be surprised how many pc d1cks call apple "mac". As in: Mac sucks dude! or Didn't Mac go out of business?

They actually think the company is named "Mac"!

What a bunch of lame-o's.

LOL!

the annoying reverse of this is calling all of apples products apples, not a mac. When was the last time they sold an apple? 1983?

or the people who seem to think it's a acronym and call it a MAC. God that pisses me off!

file · Sep 28, 2002, 02:57 AM

this year alone...

including me, i've seen more developers switch than ever in my entire life.

and i think the future is people with 2 machines. PCs are cheap for games and get a Apple for daily usage. netwrok them and thats the future

osx is my favorite OS ever. mac user for a month and a half

MacGorilla · Sep 28, 2002, 10:00 AM

I am lookming to riding with my grandchildren up a Apple created space elevator. We will step in and it will "just work".

Now, an M$ run space elevator will work something like this:

"Welcome to the Microsoft Space Elevator Enviroment�! I detect two passengers. Please insert Transportation Authorization Card now. By doing now, you agree to the End Rider Agreement on the screen behind you..."

"But that screen 2 inches by two 2 inches and there are fifty pages of text!"

"Do you want to ride or not? Press 'agree' now..."

typoon · Sep 28, 2002, 10:57 AM

I think someone said it earlier didn't Apple die 25 years ago> sheesh. Let's end these threads. Apple is not going anywhere anytime soon. And if M$ keeps shooting themselves in the foot with the liscensing you might see a resurgence of Apple. A new Golden Age of sorts. But who knows. Only thing I know is Apple is NOT going anywhere anytime soon. As long as it continues to innovate it will never die. If it wasn't for Apple we'd still be using Parallel Ports and ADB As opposed to USB and Firewire. Apple Made them popular and everyone else jumped on board.

beb · Sep 28, 2002, 11:29 AM

-A Mac with a pararallel port? When did that happen?

MadMacs · 03:07 AM

pliny · Sep 28, 2002, 03:51 PM

heh. Apple die? [clapping at thread starter's originality] That's a new one!
You no likey Apple?

voodoo · Sep 28, 2002, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by beb:
-A Mac with a pararallel port? When did that happen?

The old printer port was parallel, IIRC.

Sep 28, 2002, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by voodoo:

The old printer port was parallel, IIRC.

Nope, it was an RS-422 serial port. The first Mac (and Mac 512) had a 9-pin DIN port, but was still serial.

MacManMikeOSX · Sep 28, 2002, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by juanvaldes:

the annoying reverse of this is calling all of apples products apples, not a mac. When was the last time they sold an apple? 1983?

or the people who seem to think it's a acronym and call it a MAC. God that pisses me off!

not true1989 it was the last and one of very few modelsthat could disply graphics

bradoesch · Sep 28, 2002, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by digimage:
You'd be surprised how many pc d1cks call apple "mac". As in: Mac sucks dude! or Didn't Mac go out of business?

They actually think the company is named "Mac"!

What a bunch of lame-o's.

LOL!

I can't stand it when people get this confused. What is so difficult about a company called 'Apple' that makes a computer called a 'Mac.' Do people refer to Microsoft as Windows or PowerPoint? I mean, if the company is called Mac, and they make Macs, how retarded is that? Instead of an Apple Macintosh it would be a 'Mac Mac.' Or do they think they make Apples and are called Macs? So the Mac Apple? I guess at one time they made Apples. Oh well, just have to live with it...

Brad

undotwa · Sep 28, 2002, 07:21 PM

Oh come on. We all know pretty soon apple will be bought out by AOL to make 'AOL' machines...

clod · Sep 28, 2002, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by bradoesch:
Do people refer to Microsoft as Windows...?

Yes. I've heard a few dumb people say that. You won't beleive how many people think that all of Apple's products are called iMac or that PowerMacs are called Power iMac

.

dampeoples · Sep 28, 2002, 09:34 PM

Wait! Didn't Microsoft buy Apple (Mac) out?

Millennium · Sep 28, 2002, 11:09 PM

I think this is kind of fitting...

sthlm.org/~oz/bilder/nicecup.jpg

[EDIT: urk, url... whatever.]

Mulattabianca · Oct 4, 2002, 07:02 PM

Apple will never die...

At least the logo stays on me

(I'm marked... could never work for microsoft)

file · Oct 4, 2002, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by Mulattabianca:
Apple will never die...

At least the logo stays on me

(I'm marked... could never work for microsoft)

what does Mulattablanca mean?

Mulattabianca · Oct 4, 2002, 07:17 PM

That I have an Apple logo tattooed on me.

file · Oct 4, 2002, 07:39 PM

i went to your website...were you a linux user before using macs?

Mulattabianca · Oct 4, 2002, 07:52 PM

I was a Windows user for 10 years. And got in the end so pissed off windows and .. losing 1-2 days a month for formatting and isntalling and making it not to crash that i wanted ... darwin. ok, i wanted a mac but had no money. so i formatted the old pc laptop once more and installed redhat there - and now that works well.

then when i had money i bought the mac

now a WEIRD aspect on macs ...

i feel HAPPIER since i switched (to linux.. and then to mac) than i EVER did with windows. maybe i enjoyed my 286 back in the end of the 1980s as much ... but i was a kid then

file · Oct 4, 2002, 08:08 PM

same thing happened to me!

my windows computer went crazy and i had to format my drives once a month, i finally just formatted it and installed redhat on it and said thats it!

then soon after i got a mac and it's been smooth sailing all the way.

undotwa · Oct 5, 2002, 01:51 AM

I think pretty soon, Apple is going to fall. But there still will be a company called Apple which basically distributes an x86 version of Mac OS X and iApps.

Subzero Diesel949 · Oct 5, 2002, 03:53 PM

MAC? Wasn't that the company with the fruity logo?

Codename · Oct 5, 2002, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by undotwa:
I think pretty soon, Apple is going to fall. But there still will be a company called Apple which basically distributes an x86 version of Mac OS X and iApps.

I agree. After that, I give them about 5 years until Microsoft kills them like they did Netscape with free bundled software.

Codename · Oct 16, 2002, 07:42 PM

Apple posts a loss, ships less Macs than last year and claims that "the economy" won't get better for the foreseeable future. How convenient.

Obviously, the switch campaign is having the opposite effect.

Oh, and in related news, AMD released SPEC scores for its Hammer processor showing over a 20% speed advantage over the PPC970. Hammer will arrive earlier than the PPC970 and will likely be cheaper.

http://news.com.com/2100-1001-962312.html?tag=fd_top_6

Apple apologists begin your spinning.

At least they aren't blaming poor sales on Quark like they did last quarter.

voodoo · Oct 16, 2002, 07:50 PM

Well.

Another loss.

That ain't good, but it will take more to bring Apple to it's knees.

We'll see what happens next quarter. I have a good feeling about it.

daimoni · 10:26 AM

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scottiB · Oct 16, 2002, 11:41 PM

Apple posts a loss, ships less Macs than last year and claims that "the economy" won't get better for the foreseeable future. How convenient.

Obviously, the switch campaign is having the opposite effect.

Oh, and in related news, AMD released SPEC scores for its Hammer processor showing over a 20% speed advantage over the PPC970. Hammer will arrive earlier than the PPC970 and will likely be cheaper.

http://news.com.com/2100-1001-962312.html?tag=fd_top_6

Apple apologists begin your spinning.

Well, for this fiscal year Apple posted a profit where it didn't in fiscal ending 9/2001.

As for the switch campaign, your assertion has no basis in logic--show causation.

And the Hammer's speed announcement really shook-up Wall Street, AMD's stock dropped .71 to 3.49.

And with that, I'm off to read Three Billy Goats Gruff to my nephew, and funny, there's a troll in that, too.

King Bob On The Cob · Oct 16, 2002, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by Codename:
Apple posts a loss, ships less Macs than last year and claims that "the economy" won't get better for the foreseeable future. How convenient.

Obviously, the switch campaign is having the opposite effect.

Oh, and in related news, AMD released SPEC scores for its Hammer processor showing over a 20% speed advantage over the PPC970. Hammer will arrive earlier than the PPC970 and will likely be cheaper.

http://news.com.com/2100-1001-962312.html?tag=fd_top_6

Apple apologists begin your spinning.

At least they aren't blaming poor sales on Quark like they did last quarter.

And yet Intel will remain on top of the Microchips market. How convenient?

fat mac moron · Oct 16, 2002, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by Codename:
Apple posts a loss, ships less Macs than last year and claims that "the economy" won't get better for the foreseeable future. How convenient.

Obviously, the switch campaign is having the opposite effect.

Oh, and in related news, AMD released SPEC scores for its Hammer processor showing over a 20% speed advantage over the PPC970. Hammer will arrive earlier than the PPC970 and will likely be cheaper.

http://news.com.com/2100-1001-962312.html?tag=fd_top_6

Apple apologists begin your spinning.

At least they aren't blaming poor sales on Quark like they did last quarter.

Posted earlier, but how did AMD and Intel do?

Keep that chin up!

juanvaldes · Oct 17, 2002, 12:16 AM

Everyone's favorite underdog CPU maker not doing very hot
Intel says Revenue Flat

Market still sucks, everyone's hurting.

dillerX · Oct 17, 2002, 05:39 AM

Originally posted by Codename:
Apple posts a loss, ships less Macs than last year and claims that "the economy" won't get better for the foreseeable future. How convenient.

Obviously, the switch campaign is having the opposite effect.

Oh, and in related news, AMD released SPEC scores for its Hammer processor showing over a 20% speed advantage over the PPC970. Hammer will arrive earlier than the PPC970 and will likely be cheaper.

http://news.com.com/2100-1001-962312.html?tag=fd_top_6

Apple apologists begin your spinning.

At least they aren't blaming poor sales on Quark like they did last quarter.

Heheh, you sir are an idiot. Your ignorance, and stupidity amuse me. Keep it up, I like to laugh.

xi_hyperon · Oct 17, 2002, 09:57 AM

Given the roller coaster ride that Apple has been on for the past 25 years, I'm sure your comments are well rehearsed and fit you comfortably Codename. Regardless, a troll is a troll is a troll. Oops, I've already invested more characters in responding to you than it's worth - it's that flamebait thing again.

El Pre$idente · Oct 17, 2002, 10:00 AM

IBM will buy Apple in around 5 years. The company that invented the Pee Cee will $WITCH!

mitchell_pgh · Oct 17, 2002, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by Codename:
We all know Apple cannot win against Microsoft.

That depends upon what you consider a "win"

If a win is market domanance, no, they may never...

If a win is making a great product, being profitable and coming out with new and interesting technologies... they will never go away...

On a side note, I think Apple will merge with another company within 50-100 years... IBM/Sun/Apple/Sony/Disny/Palm/RedHat or something...

Nonsuch · Oct 17, 2002, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by Codename:
Apple posts a loss, ships less Macs than last year and claims that "the economy" won't get better for the foreseeable future. How convenient.

Obviously, the switch campaign is having the opposite effect.

Oh, and in related news, AMD released SPEC scores for its Hammer processor showing over a 20% speed advantage over the PPC970. Hammer will arrive earlier than the PPC970 and will likely be cheaper.

http://news.com.com/2100-1001-962312.html?tag=fd_top_6

Apple apologists begin your spinning.

At least they aren't blaming poor sales on Quark like they did last quarter.

And you care ... why?

And since you're obviously as emotionally invested in Apple's failure as many of us are in its success, how exactly does that make you better than us?

DaKiwi2788 · Oct 17, 2002, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by undotwa:
Oh come on. We all know pretty soon apple will be bought out by AOL to make 'AOL' machines...

What?! That'll be the day I go back to a PC. Ick! AOL! Ick!

Gene Jockey · Oct 18, 2002, 01:39 AM

Originally posted by MacGorilla:
I am lookming to riding with my grandchildren up a Apple created space elevator. We will step in and it will "just work".

Now, an M$ run space elevator will work something like this:

"Welcome to the Microsoft Space Elevator Enviroment�! I detect two passengers. Please insert Transportation Authorization Card now. By doing now, you agree to the End Rider Agreement on the screen behind you..."

"But that screen 2 inches by two 2 inches and there are fifty pages of text!"

"Do you want to ride or not? Press 'agree' now..."

Actually, I would imagine a poorly rendered holographic paper clip would appear upon entry. "I see you're trying to go to space. Would you like me to help you with that?"

Wizards ensue.

--Josh

PseuFighter · Oct 18, 2002, 04:46 AM

Within the next five years, I see one of the following two situations evolving. With the economy set to turn around, either:

1) Steve / Apple will introduce another revolutionary product targeted at the consumer market, buying out another five years of life-support.

2) If Apple fails to recover during the economic rise, a successful silicon valley company will buy Apple out, that is buy out the hardware and the software, thus ending the Apple revolution. Rather the company will simply be spun off of a larger outfit.

Apple Retails will close, or become part of this larger corporation.

gumby5647 · Oct 18, 2002, 10:03 AM

i think the more appropriate question here would be. "how long will Gateway survive" not to mention AMD.

Oh, and in related news, AMD released SPEC scores for its Hammer processor showing over a 20% speed advantage over the PPC970. Hammer will arrive earlier than the PPC970 and will likely be cheaper.

AMD is dying. Unless they hook up with a computer company that only puts AMD's in their computers, they will suffer they same fate that 3dfx did. tis a shame.

Hmmm, maybe AMD and Gateway should get together...

istallion · Oct 18, 2002, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by gumby5647:
i think the more appropriate question here would be. "how long will Gateway survive" not to mention AMD.

AMD is dying. Unless they hook up with a computer company that only puts AMD's in their computers, they will suffer they same fate that 3dfx did. tis a shame.

Hmmm, maybe AMD and Gateway should get together...

AMD was dying before the introduction of the athlon. The latest iteration of the K6 was a performance disappointment, but it was cheaper than the p3. Today, the thoroughbred is a performance disappointment, but is cheaper than the P4. AMD became a legit comptetitor in the consumer space with the athlon. They have a chance to become a competitor in the mid-range server space with the hammer. Their success(as a cpu manufacturer) is largely dependent on the success of hammer.

MAlan · Oct 18, 2002, 05:07 PM

This is a complicated question....one I tried to address with my long posts in 'The stock market is fractal 1'.

To sum up I believe we are in a deflationary depression which will leave america with 25% unemployment in a few years. I am very curious as to how Apple will survive. I voted that Apple will survive for 50-100 years. If they survive the immediate depression then they will probably survive that long but the question is how. Apple is in a strong position going into the depression with a lot of cash on hand. They have hardly made any job cuts yet so they will probably wittle themselves down to around 1000-2000 employees. But what products will they offer? If we are in the beginning of a depression then computers will only be bought second hand on ebay. No one will have cash to upgrade because they will have lost so much on the stock market and be out of work. So how do you compete against ebay? I think that someone has to do some research and see how radio corporations and car makers fared during the 30's and how they made it through. Radio stocks were the dot coms of the day.