[nredman]

sorry but some of these chicks lately are average at best.

[ghporter]

Originally Posted by nredman 

sorry but some of these chicks lately are average at best.

FHM Link

Cora Skinner Link

'Nother Cora Link

I hope you're not saying that their "average" is a bad thing... They may not be "stunning", but they are quite attractive, and the photography is pretty darn good too.

[Helmling]

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak 

Well, to be honest, it was probably Danica McKellar who negated that good deed when she posed for Maxim despite being a "brilliant mathematician and author of a book encouraging young girls to stay engaged in math despite sexist cultural stereotypes".

Well, in her defense, it was because she "won" a poll of readers (of Stuff magazine, actually) who were asked "What 90's star would they most want to see in lingerie?"

Now, my tossing up of Danica McKellar was a flip gesture. I'd seen an interview with her, but I haven't really read her book. Maybe there are actually some things to be concerned about in her message. I'm not that terribly interested in discussing this one woman whose message may not be perfect, but whose contribution seems on the whole more positive than most of what our young women are exposed to in the media.

There's an opportunity to turn this thread into an actual discussion worth having, if everyone will just calm down. (Not you, Wisk, I'm talking about the barbs being traded by others.)

I think the men in the thread who enjoy looking at pictures like these (which is, if we're honest, all heterosexual males) need to stop and consider what it is we're really doing. Are we supporting a standard of beauty that is really healthy? Is there a way for our culture to appreciate feminine beauty in a way that acknowledges that men are highly fixated on the visual, while still celebrating women as fully realized human beings? Or is this sort of superficiality inherently objectifying?

These are big questions. For me, it comes again and again in my thinking to the prevalence of eating disorders in our girls today and the much wider prevalence of body-hatred that so many young girls have. If, by posting and enjoying a thread like this, we are perpetuating those horrible forces on girls' collective consciousness, then I for one, think maybe we should give it a rest.

[jokell82]

Wow that's just way too much text for this thread.

[ghporter]

Hemling has a valid point. Are we "objectifying" women by posting and discussing pictures of them here? Or are we appreciating them and their natural beauty? Is this different from walking through a gallery and pondering the pictures on the walls?

I think it is. We are basically giving examples and discussing what we find attractive and "beautiful." For example, take the picture of the ladies from the Firefly cast, which I commented on earlier.

It would be very hard to find a more diverse group of four ladies, with a much more diverse group of looks, yet I think every one of them is beautiful in her own way. If we're just a bit more attentive to why we post and comment on which pictures, we can keep this from becoming a bad mechanic's calendar and avoid being guilty of any objectification.

And as payback for all the words, here's a great picture of Stephanie Seymour:

[Chongo]

[ShortcutToMoncton]

Trashy!

[boots]

Point:

Originally Posted by ghporter 

Is this different from walking through a gallery and pondering the pictures on the walls?

I think it is. We are basically giving examples and discussing what we find attractive and "beautiful."
[examples]

Counter point:

Originally Posted by Chongo 

I note no comments on why this is considered beautiful.

I think the preponderance of the posts (not to mention the title of the thread) supports the counter point.

Personally, I like pictures of scantily clothed (or unclothed) women. But one wonders if a) it is appropriate for this forum (one can certainly find better somewhere else), and b) if we are truly appreciating beauty or worshiping a photoshopped and unrealistic ideal (does it even matter?).

[jokell82]

Good Lord - if you don't want to see it don't click the thread.

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by boots 

I note no comments on why this is considered beautiful.

I think the preponderance of the posts (not to mention the title of the thread) supports the counter point.

Personally, I like pictures of scantily clothed (or unclothed) women. But one wonders if a) it is appropriate for this forum (one can certainly find better somewhere else), and b) if we are truly appreciating beauty or worshiping a photoshopped and unrealistic ideal (does it even matter?).

are "hot " and "beautiful" the same thing? This is the "hot babes" thread. I would think a "beautiful women" thread would be filled with pics there are quite different from those in this thread.

[Nexus5]

Originally Posted by jokell82 

Less chit chat more photos.

nexus5.

[boots]

Originally Posted by jokell82 

Good Lord - if you don't want to see it don't click the thread.

This is part of a conversation that is woven into a number of threads, and it deals with protecting minors from particular types of material. I'm not advocating the thread be closed, I'm asking the management if it is consistent with the ideals they are trying to maintain. Please, continue as though I'm not here.

Originally Posted by Chongo 

are "hot " and "beautiful" the same thing? This is the "hot babes" thread. I would think a "beautiful women" thread would be filled with pics there are quite different from those in this thread.

I would argue not. Though, as I get older I realize that "hot" is in the actions, not the image. And you can airbrush a bucktoothed gorgon so she looks "hot".

And this is exactly the point I was trying to make with ghporter. It appears that he's defending this thread as having "semantic value."

Again, I'm not advocating anything here. I raising a question that should be pondered. It crops up in a number of ways, and each specific example usually ends up with two simians throwing feces at each other. The idea gets lost in the hostility and/or juvenile behavior.

[jokell82]

Originally Posted by boots 

This is part of a conversation that is woven into a number of threads, and it deals with protecting minors from particular types of material. I'm not advocating the thread be closed, I'm asking the management if it is consistent with the ideals they are trying to maintain. Please, continue as though I'm not here.

You have to be 13 to sign up for this forum, and no one here has posted anything worse than you see in magazines or PG-13 movies (hell, some PG-13 movies have brief topless shots, which we're not allowed to post here). So please don't turn this into a "think of the children!" kind of request.

[Chongo]

My favorite Moonlite Bunny

[Lateralus]

Guys, guys...

Nobody comes to this thread to read. Keep it moving.

[Chongo]

Guess who

 

Marilyn Chambers

[smacintush]

I think that if anyone is worried about the healthiness or appropriateness of this thread should consider that maybe that is THEIR problem and if they are uncomfortable with it then maybe they shouldn't participate.

[sek929]

Talk about dragging the lounge down, christ people, take your hang-ups elsewhere.

[Helmling]

It was a question, not a hang-up. Like I said, it's every heterosexual male who would be inclined to stare at attractive women.

What, though, does that say about us heterosexual males?

Maybe you're right, maybe that crosses out of lounge territory into the political lounge...maybe this is just a space for mindlessness and I was asking for too much by posing a question.

Mindlessness, after all, has its benefits. I will now quote the great Kurt Vonnegut to prove the point:

"Listen: We are here on Earth to fart around. Don’t let anybody tell you any different!"

[ghporter]

Okay, are "hot" and "beautiful" different qualities? Maybe. But they're both judgments based on personal preference, right? I think the blond is cute and rather sexy, but I don't necessarily think she's either "hot" or "beautiful". That picture is an example of what Chongo likes, that's all. There has been plenty of discussion on the order of "why did you post that?" and "I like that and this too" in this thread. So with a lot of straight men, at least on a surface level, they don't think about "I like that picture because..." they just like it. With a large number of men, that's it too-they don't have any thought past "ooooo boobies!". That says something about them too. But just having this thread doesn't comment negatively on straight men-it's their behavior that does that commenting.

I posted a nice picture of Stephanie Seymour because I think she's very beautiful, and hot as well. I like redheads (I think I've posted that about a dozen times), I like freckles (ditto), and I like the classic lines of her face and her body. She moves well too, so grace is another thing I like about looking at her. I'm not juvenile enough to just drool over the thought of the possibility of having sex with her (like that could ever happen! I'm married and so is she!). I appreciate her beauty and style and leave it at that. Wow, that was way too many words!

Oh, and Kurt was right.

[powerbook867]

IMHO this is a mindless thread..can we please keep it that way? Maybe with some more pix of the Firefly gals? Please?

[ghporter]

Sure!

[jokell82]

Originally Posted by ghporter 

Sure!

Summer's the only reason I'm watching that new Terminator show right now. Well, Lena Headey's not too bad either.

[Cold Warrior]

Summer is so hot. I haven't been able to find any pics where she's showing some skin though.

[jokell82]

Originally Posted by Cold Warrior 

Summer is so hot. I haven't been able to find any pics where she's showing some skin though.

There's always this episode of The Unit:

[James L]

Originally Posted by jokell82 

There's always this episode of The Unit:

hehe hehe... You said unit.

[exca1ibur]

Originally Posted by jokell82 

There's always this episode of The Unit:

Live version for you...

[Sherman Homan]

Most of us clicked on the "Hot Babes Picturefest" to read the articles...

[ghporter]

I particularly like the advice column. Lots of practical hints about grooming there.

[iCapture]

Originally Posted by TheoCryst 

I think you may have just negated the good deed that Helmling was trying to do... and I thank you for that.

HAHA +1 !

Why are people being such pussies? "objectifying of women?" please, if you didnt oggle at them they would get pissed. Its all a game guys!

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mod note: topless shot, with obscuring block too small. also, you forgot about the mirror. and included two copies of the pic, one quite large.

[iCapture]

My deepest apologies to all the 13 year olds here. I seemed to have forgotten what web site i was on. Hugs not Drugs!

[jokell82]

Originally Posted by iCapture 

mod note: topless shot, with obscuring block too small. also, you forgot about the mirror. and included two copies of the pic, one quite large.

FYI: she was a minor when that photoshoot took place.

[iCapture]

Originally Posted by jokell82 

FYI: she was a minor when that photoshoot took place.

proof?

[jokell82]

Originally Posted by iCapture 

proof?

Just do a google search with her name, 17, and Gear (the name of the magazine). It was shot when she was 17. She wanted out of her contract for the show 7th Heaven, and I guess posing nude was one way to do it...

Cover shot:

[iCapture]

Do you have a point to make? Or are you just making conversation?

[dudeness2]

hottness... the last few pics of the previous page. should i mention what i want to do to them? lol prob not... hehehehe.

and i know for sure 13 year olds gawk at hott girls/women all the time. i think it starts around 12 or 13.

[Chongo]

[Big Mac]

Hey guys, I just hope everyone browsing this thread knows that meeting and interacting with girls IRL is vastly superior to viewing them in electronic form. Reality check, yo.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Big Mac 

interacting with girls

I like that euphemism.

Oh yeah. What was this thread about? Pics. I'm quite taken with the latest Miss January:

[d4nth3m4n]

them pics ain't workin boobiesig dude.

[Doofy]

Dammit.
Mind, perhaps it's a good thing that you lot aren't perving at the future Mrs. Doofy.

Can't rehost them due to not having my account passwords to hand. You'll just have to imagine some fine totty.

[BlueSky]

Or control-click on the thingys to open them in a new tab.

[driven]

Originally Posted by BlueSky 

Or control-click on the thingys to open them in a new tab.

Good call there Sparky! Thanks!

[BlueSky]

I'm only here to help.

[Chongo]

I cut and pasted and went to the page, nice!

Also if you are at work they won't show up (co@*, err, proxy blocked)

[Tesselator]

Hehehehe... I just made it through all 58 pages and then realized...
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............................I hadn't read a single line of text.

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[ctt1wbw]

[dudeness2]

i love women with dark hair...... and light eyes

[MichiganRich]

I love women with hair.... and eyes

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by iCapture 

My deepest apologies to all the 13 year olds here. I seemed to have forgotten what web site i was on. Hugs not Drugs!

Looks like someone for got this post from July of 2005

http://forums.macnn.com/89/macnn-lou...1/#post2600677