[Tesselator]

I decided to take a break from my 8 and 10 hour days of researching how

evil our US government is, how Iraq is such a scam and how so many of

our own industries seem to be involved in negative eugenics against the

population of the USA and the world. So I skipped on over to the Apple

site to see what was up, if there were any new marketing videos and how

we were doing in the stock market. I started watching this video

Apple - QuickTime - Apple March 6 Event when at three minutes

into it I about fell out of my chair in disbelief when some guy takes the

stage after Jobs and announces:



"As you know Genentech is the world's leading biotech company. We have

a great relationship with Genentech. Their CEO Art Levinson is a great board

member for Apple. So we do allot of "wonderful things" together."



I paused it right there and asked myself out loud: Yeah, like what? Help to

prevent cancer research? Put small farmers out of business? Design bacteria

that live in the human gut and steadily produce poisons which in turn causes

death and illness? Rape the natural biodiversity of the Earth? Lobby governments

to allow them to proceed unchecked without meaningful regulation? Lobby

government to steer legislation away from requiring product labels that inform

consumers GM products are contained within them?



Well they just lost me as a paying customer! I thought Steve Jobs had a

conscience about these sorts of things. I guess that's what I get (again!)

for not looking into it on my own first. UG!



In order to explain my position a little I think these videos are right on the

money! I think that this is yet another issue where the USA and the world

at large are being lied to by the propaganda machines operating in the USA

and UK. Check them out, cute kitties explain:



Pinky The Cat Asks: What's Wrong with GMOs?

Pinky Radio Presents: Islands at Risk: GE in Hawaii

[Big Mac]

Originally Posted by Tesselator 

I decided to take a break from my 8 and 10 hour days of researching how evil our US government is, how Iraq is such a scam and how so
many of our own industries seem to be involved in negative eugenics
against the population of the USA and the world.

Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?

[Tesselator]

Obviously not. No. Do tell.

[abe]

I think this thread will wind up in the Political Lounge.

It will get politicized very quickly, I think.

I know the thing that was on MY mind would quickly make it political.

[shinji]

Are you serious? Who honestly cares?

[Tesselator]

Originally Posted by abe 

I think this thread will wind up in the Political Lounge.

It will get politicized very quickly, I think.

I know the thing that was on MY mind would quickly make it political.

Well that would be OK if they decide to move it. I mean if it belongs there - why not? I have no preference.

[Tesselator]

Originally Posted by shinji 

Are you serious? Who honestly cares?

I think allot of people obviously care allot. Did you watch those two movies? I

mean, someone cared enough to be in them, make them, and distribute them.

That's allot of work and there are hundreds more like them. I obviously care

quite a bit too.



I think franken-foods are going to be the #1 cause of death in just 5 or 10 years

time and contribute massively to world famine. That Apple chose to let the CEO

of an organization that is either doing this by design or via negligence on their

board of directors sends me a very alarming signal about Apple.



Throughout 2006 and into 2007 Apple had the worst green rating of any otherlarge

electronics corporation. I question whether or not this begins to form a pattern. One

of the main reasons I recently started supporting Apple primarily and am trying to

ditch anything and everything PeeCee related is MicroSoft's connections to IBM and

their connection and participation in the World War II concentration camps where they

helped streamline and organize mass exterminations.



To me these things are important. Who I support with my wallet is important to me.

And I don't want to support companies or corporations that were involved in such

things or who are setting themselves up to be involved in such things in the future.



If this shocks some people or they weren't aware of it then this thread is a good thing

in my opinion. If there is more to it than I know or I am misinformed by the historical

records I've researched then this is a great opportunity to discuss it. Either way though

(for me) it is not a non-issue, a ridiculous notion, nor something to be taken lightly or

ignored.

[Peter]

nobody cares
nobody cares
nobody cares
nobody cares .

[Tesselator]

Apathy in quadruplicate?

[Railroader]

Why
Do
you
insert
your
own
line
breaks?

You
should
allow
the
forum
software
to
do
that.

What
you
are
doing
is
annoying.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by Tesselator 

I think franken-foods are going to be the #1 cause of death in just 5 or 10
years time and contribute massively to world famine.

And you think this because of the Pinky Show on YouTube?

Honestly, I've never seen anything against GM foods that didn't seem to boil down to FUD.

[Sijmen]

Just to add some info on Tesselator's point:

Conscious Movie Network - Movies with a conscious message

[Sherman Homan]

Cloned beef raised on genetically modified corn, it's what's for dinner!

[- - e r i k - -]

The term "franken-food" = automatically fail. It's the Godwin's law of the GM debate.

[shinji]

Originally Posted by Tesselator 

I think allot of people obviously care allot. Did you watch those two movies? I
mean, someone cared enough to be in them, make them, and distribute them.
That's allot of work and there are hundreds more like them. I obviously care
quite a bit too.

I think franken-foods are going to be the #1 cause of death in just 5 or 10
years time and contribute massively to world famine. That Apple chose to let
the CEO of an organization that is either doing this by design or via negligence
on their board of directors sends me a very alarming signal about Apple.

Throughout 2006 and into 2007 Apple had the worst green rating of any other
large electronics corporation. I question whether or not this begins to form a
pattern. One of the main reasons I recently started supporting Apple primarily
and am trying to ditch anything and everything PeeCee related is MicroSoft's
connections to IBM and their connection and participation in the World War II
concentration camps where they helped streamline and organize mass
exterminations.

To me these things are important. Who I support with my wallet is important
to me. And I don't want to support companies or corporations that were involved
in such things or who are setting themselves up to be involved in such things in
the future.

If this shocks some people or they weren't aware of it then this thread is a good
thing in my opinion. If there is more to it than I know or I am misinformed by the
historical records I've researched then this is a great opportunity to discuss it.
Either way though (for me) it is not a non-issue, a ridiculous notion, nor something
to be taken lightly or ignored.

Well, Macs used to have processors based on IBM's PowerPC architecture, so it's not like there's no tie there either...and you're talking about the IBM of 70 years ago. Anyone involved in the immoral decision to do business with Nazi Germany is long gone from IBM. I imagine Apple also buys parts from Japanese companies that had something to do with their war effort in WWII...I know Toshiba makes a portion of the iPod hd's.

I don't know, I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. One director on Apple's board doesn't mean Apple itself endorses or has any opinion at all on GMO. You can buy enough stock and end up on the board by voting yourself in.

[- - e r i k - -]

Originally Posted by Tesselator 

One of the main reasons I recently started supporting Apple primarily
and am trying to ditch anything and everything PeeCee related is MicroSoft's
connections to IBM and their connection and participation in the World War II
concentration camps where they helped streamline and organize mass
exterminations.

Oh sh*t, I didn't actually see that you've already invoked the ACTUAL Godwin's law.

[James L]

Originally Posted by Tesselator 

I decided to take a break from my 8 and 10 hour days of researching
how evil our US government is, how Iraq is such a scam and how so
many of our own industries seem to be involved in negative eugenics
against the population of the USA and the world. So I skipped on over
to the Apple site to see what was up, if there were any new marketing
videos and how we were doing in the stock market. I started watching
this video Apple - QuickTime - Apple March 6 Event when at three
minutes into it I about fell out of my chair in disbelief when some guy
takes the stage after Jobs and announces:

"As you know Genentech is the world's leading biotech company. We have
a great relationship with Genentech. Their CEO Art Levinson is a great
board member for Apple. So we do allot of "wonderful things" together."

I paused it right there and asked myself out loud: Yeah, like what? Help
to prevent cancer research? Put small farmers out of business? Design
bacteria that live in the human gut and steadily produce poisons which
in turn causes death and illness? Rape the natural biodiversity of the
Earth? Lobby governments to allow them to proceed unchecked without
meaningful regulation? Lobby government to steer legislation away from
requiring product labels that inform consumers GM products are contained
within them?

Well they just lost me as a paying customer! I thought Steve Jobs had a
conscience about these sorts of things. I guess that's what I get (again!)
for not looking into it on my own first. UG!

In order to explain my position a little I think these videos are right on the
money! I think that this is yet another issue where the USA and the world
at large are being lied to by the propaganda machines operating in the USA
and UK. Check them out, cute kitties explain:

Pinky The Cat Asks: What's Wrong with GMOs?

Pinky Radio Presents: Islands at Risk: GE in Hawaii

I don't know about anyone else, but after reading this I feel much better about myself!

[Tesselator]

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - - 

Oh sh*t, I didn't actually see that you've already invoked the ACTUAL Godwin's

law.

Godwin's law??? I had to look that one up...

Originally Posted by wiki

Godwin's Law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies)[1] is an

adage formulated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states:


"As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison

involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."


Godwin's Law is often cited in online discussions as a caution against

the use of inflammatory rhetoric or exaggerated comparisons, and is

often conflated with fallacious arguments of the reductio ad Hitlerum f

orm.

I don't see how that applies here at all though. I just quoted verifiable

public record about IBM. How does that relate to Apple and Genentech?

Or are you saying that is does somehow relate? Gawd I hope not.

[Tesselator]

Originally Posted by James L 

I don't know about anyone else, but after reading this I feel much better about myself!

It's a job... But hey, someone has to do it.

[villalobos]

So tell me again, what does Genentech has to do with GMO's again?????

[Tesselator]

Originally Posted by shinji 

Well, Macs used to have processors based on IBM's PowerPC architecture, so

it's not like there's no tie there either...and you're talking about the IBM of 70

years ago. Anyone involved in the immoral decision to do business with Nazi

Germany is long gone from IBM. I imagine Apple also buys parts from Japanese

companies that had something to do with their war effort in WWII...I know Toshiba

makes a portion of the iPod hd's.


I don't know, I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. One director on

Apple's board doesn't mean Apple itself endorses or has any opinion at all on GMO.

You can buy enough stock and end up on the board by voting yourself in.

Yeah, you're probably right about the IBM connections - good points!


I'm not sure about the Apple board of directors not signifying anything significant

though and is why I brought it up here. You know, get some feedback or alternative

perspectives. Why is Genentech on Apple's board? Was Art Levinson invited or did

he vote himself in as you say is possible? I don't know and I don't see any info on

it on-line. All I see is the terrible record that Genentech has.

[Tesselator]

Originally Posted by villalobos 

So tell me again, what does Genentech has to do with GMO's again?????

They were like, umm, the first people to commercialize the creation of one!

And umm, like, that is the entire purpose of the Genentech corporation... Is

to continue creating them, patenting them, and selling or commercializing

them.


Genetically modified organism Read up on this documents' mention of Genentech.

Here's some more: Genentech

And here's a product list after the dangerous unchecked research and after the

FDA approved the results:

• 1982 - Humulin® (Synthetic "human" insulin)
  
  
• 1985 - Protropin® (somatrem)
  
  
• 1987 - Activase® (recombinant tissue plasminogen activator)
  
  
• 1990 - Actimmune® (interferon gamma 1b)
  
  
• 1993 - Nutropin® (recombinant somatropin)
  
  
• 1994 - Pulmozyme® (dornase alfa)
  
  
• 1997 - Rituxan® (rituximab)
  
  
• 1998 - Herceptin® (trastuzumab)
  
  
• 2000 - TNKase® (tenecteplase)
  
  
• 2003 - Xolair® (omalizumab)
  
  
• 2003 - Raptiva® (efalizumab)
  
  
• 2004 - Avastin® (bevacizumab)
  
  
• 2004 - Tarceva® (erlotinib)
  
  
• 2006 - Lucentis® (ranibizumab injection)
  

[villalobos]

Originally Posted by Tesselator 

They were like, umm, the first people to commercialize the creation of one! And umm, like, that
is the entire purpose of the Genentech corporation... Is to continue creating them, patenting them,
and selling or commercializing them.

Genetically modified organism Read up on this documents mention of Genentech.

Here's some more: Genentech

Yeah but this is about creating a drug : transgenic mice are an invaluable tool for biologists. You seem to be confused with the foods coming from GMO, which Genentech is not involved with, AFAIK.

[Tesselator]

Originally Posted by villalobos 

Yeah but this is about creating a drug : transgenic mice are an invaluable tool for biologists. You seem to be confused with the foods coming from GMO, which Genentech is not involved with, AFAIK.

Umm Genentech isn't growing these drugs or some of them in crops? Out door crops? Really?

And there isn't allot of trial and error that is taking place in out-door crops as well?

That's different than what everybody is saying.

[TETENAL]

They use bacteria to create drugs. I never heard about genetically modified crops being used for drugs production.

[Tesselator]

I've heard allot about it. Even that video "Islands at risk" I posted mentions it. There's a

50min tour of Genentech on google videos that shows an overview of the entire process.

It's narrated and "stars" some top management guy at Genentech and they show it directly.

They say they're whole business is nothing else but that actually - at least the mechanics of

it.


The modified bacteria are coated onto microscopic gold or tungsten balls and fired into the

DNA of crop plants. The drugs are then grown in crops and harvested - however they do that.

The virtual tour didn't really get in to how they get the drugs separated from the other plant

matter. But they do this without many safety checks and this freaks people out. Including me.


Other GMO companies are doing this kind of thing in food crops and instead of producing

drugs they are producing pesticides directly within the plant - so they don't have to spray.

But that bacteria can lodge in the human gut reproduce and continue to produce pesticides

for years. There's other stuff going on too but the two main things to me are:

1. Genes of various organisms are being patented and this dissuades useful disease
   
   research from happening at the private and university levels and
   
   
   
2. Most of this research is being carried out with little or no oversight. Governments
   
   are very actively lobbied to divert the usual oversights and campaigns to silence
   
   opposition are coming hard and fast.

[Tesselator]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

Why
Do
you
insert
your
own
line
breaks?

WTH are you talking about?

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Tesselator 

WTH are you talking about?

Don't worry, you were quoted.

And thanks for fixing your posts.

[Tesselator]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

Don't worry, you were quoted.

It was the one-armed man! I swear!

And thanks for fixing your posts.

NP... But I may or may not be able to keep it up. So feel free to complain again and again every time I miss.

[olePigeon]

Where's the option about when NOT to use an apostrophe? Like in plural words?

[villalobos]

And here's a product list after the dangerous unchecked research and after the FDA approved the results

You do realize that a medicine like aspirine would never make it through the FDA these days? I hope you don't ever take any...
Genentech is a pretty good company. There is a VERY strong connection between Apple and the biological and chemical research world. Nothing surprising there. It is actually very nice to have somebody form the scientific world on Apple's board.

[andreas_g4]

Originally Posted by Tesselator 

Well they just lost me as a paying customer! I thought Steve Jobs had a conscience about these sorts of things.

Additionally, from what I hear, every time AAPL closes lower than the day before, Steve kills (and eats) a kitten!

[Tesselator]

Originally Posted by andreas_g4 

Additionally, from what I hear, every time AAPL closes lower than the day before, Steve kills (and eats) a kitten!

Hmmm, might get some more cat-haters in the customer base... But who's gonna control the mice?

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by Tesselator 

Hmmm, might get some more cat-haters in the customer base... But who's gonna control the mice?

Easy, genetically modified cereals that only kill mice.

[shinji]

Originally Posted by Tesselator 

Yeah, you're probably right about the IBM connections - good points!

I'm not sure about the Apple board of directors not signifying anything significant though and is why I brought it up here. You know, get some feedback or alternative perspectives. Why is Genentech on Apple's board? Was Art Levinson invited or did he vote himself in as you say is possible? I don't know and I don't see any info on it on-line. All I see is the terrible record that Genentech has.

Yeah, but I mean...even if Apple loves GMO and heartily endorses it, they still make a better computer and better operating system than their competitors. I would certainly not switch back to Windows for ethical reasons. And Linux is Linux...not my thing, even if Mother Theresa had written it all herself in an amphetamine-fueled marathon h4x0ring session.

[Tesselator]

Well, there's still AmigaOS. Is BeeOS still around or did that die completely?

[D. S. Troyer]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

Why
Do
you
insert
your
own
line
breaks?

You
should
allow
the
forum
software
to
do
that.

What
you
are
doing
is
annoying.

This kind of post is ****ing annoying. I can't wait till you get to my party.

It's HOT! and lots of bungholes.

-Beelzebub

[Tesselator]

Hehehe, go get'em Beelzey baby...

[Tesselator]

Originally Posted by Sijmen 

Just to add some info on Tesselator's point:

Conscious Movie Network - Movies with a conscious message

Thanks! Yes, I don't know why Chuckit hasn't seem more. It's not as if there are

not thousands perhaps tens of thousands, publishments available from outspoken

groups and individuals. These groups range from the insane and paranoid to some

very hard hitting independent researchers within the field itself. And of course with

everything in between as well. If I compare the negative attention with the positive

that is being received on this issue I see a greater amount of negative by orders of

magnitude and usually a more informed opinion from the negative side as well. On

the positive side most of what I hear is political, commercial, or "feel-good" rhetoric.

It's usually either about how rich we're all going to be, how it will save the planet's

food supply, or how this is high science and we'll all be smarter, faster, and better

as a result of this and other related technologies. In very few cases do I see credible

(un-fudged) instances of saving or producing more/better food. I do see some people

getting rich and making money. I also see good advancements in medicine and drug

cultivation as a result of this technology but all too often without any common sense

testing and/or safety procedures. The people getting rich often additionally seem to

be doing so by what I personally would term unfair and unconscionable and even

outright theft and coercion in many cases. "Haven't seen anything FUD" in terms of

research and opinion on this issue would I guess have to mean that a person hasn't

actually looked yet.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Tesselator 

Thanks! Yes, I don't know why Chuckit hasn't seem more. It's not as if there are
not thousands perhaps tens of thousands, publishments available from outspoken
groups and individuals. These groups range from the insane and paranoid to some
very hard hitting independent researchers within the field itself. And of course with
everything in between as well. If I compare the negative attention with the positive
that is being received on this issue I see a greater amount of negative by orders of
magnitude and usually a more informed opinion from the negative side as well. On
the positive side most of what I hear is political, commercial, or "feel-good" rhetoric.
It's usually either about how rich we're all going to be, how it will save the planet's
food supply, or how this is high science and we'll all be smarter, faster, and better
as a result of this and other related technologies. In very few cases do I see credible
(un-fudged) instances of saving or producing more/better food. I do see some people
getting rich and making money. I also see good advancements in medicine and drug
cultivation as a result of this technology but all too often without any common sense
testing and/or safety procedures. The people getting rich often additionally seem to
be doing so by what I personally would term unfair and unconscionable and even
outright theft and coercion in many cases. "Haven't seen anything FUD" in terms of
research and opinion on this issue would I guess have to mean that a person hasn't
actually looked yet.

Please
stop
adding
line
breaks.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by D. S. Troyer 

This kind of post is ****ing annoying. I can't wait till you get to my party.

It's HOT! and lots of bungholes.

-Beelzebub

Quit following me around. It's creepy.

[Dakar the Fourth]

I think Tesselator was raised on a typewriter.

[Uncle Skeleton]

Don't let them change you, Tess. In fact, from now on type your posts and then scan them and post the image. That'll show em.

[Dakar the Fourth]

That'd be great.

[Railroader]

I'd back that plan.

[Person Man]

Originally Posted by Dakar the Fourth 

I think Tesselator was raised on a typewriter.

[Dakar the Fourth]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

I'd back that plan.

And I plan to back it.

[lpkmckenna]

I haven't fully read the thread yet, but it looks hysterical!

[Tesselator]

hehehe... u gize r cilly....

[Tesselator]

Oh wait

I meant to say:

hehehe...

u gize r cilly.

iz thaght beter 4 u railroader

ut waz gud 4 mi!