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chris_h · Sep 16, 2002, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by KidRed:

Not sure what all the fuss about is with finderftp, maybe if people knew how to do it....

Well, my mistake, it apparently does work for some people, albeit still half-assedly (read only? come on).
I've yet to find to find an FTP site (non-anonymous) that doesn't lock up finder.app... this is a big deal.
Then again, maybe I just don't know "how to do it"

Originally posted by KidRed:

Finder FTP should be improved. And I agree, implicit in most people's idea of FTP support is the ability to connect to damn near any site, anonymous or not, and be able to write to it if your permissions allow.

Then we have absolutely no disagreement. My point is that what is on apple's jaguar feature site is approaching false-advertisement territory (FTP-Finder access was 1/150th of the reason to buy jaguar, if you follow Jobs' reasoning).
That, if nothing else, should be enough for them to fix it (and I still can't see how this is a resource-intense task).

OwlBoy · Sep 16, 2002, 08:32 PM

Ah, but can you connect to an FTP server that way, and Write to it!? Thats my problem... (And the username/password thing is a lil flakey)

-Owl

KidRed · Sep 16, 2002, 08:33 PM

Developer, yea there's still some issues, it's painfully slow and locks up my computer but I was making the connection point

It did however pop a user/pass box but isn't set up with an UI like an app. Yea, just playing with it just locked the finder, hehe, gotta reboot.

chris_h · Sep 16, 2002, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by Developer:
Anyway, I can get that far too, but do you notice the striked through pencil? How can you move files onto an FTP server?

It's kindof a... ... bummer.

chris_h · Sep 16, 2002, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by KidRed:
Developer, yea there's still some issues, it's painfully slow and locks up my computer but I was making the connection point It did however pop a user/pass box but isn't set up with an UI like an app. Yea, just playing with it just locked the finder, hehe, gotta reboot.

Not sure what all the fuss about is with finderftp, maybe if people knew how to do it....

KidRed · Sep 16, 2002, 08:43 PM

As I said, I have no issues connecting to a real ftp site in the finder

Developer · Sep 16, 2002, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by KidRed:
As I said, I have no issues connecting to a real ftp site in the finder

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

KidRed · Sep 16, 2002, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by Developer:

"I did not have a sexual relationship with that woman."

He didn't! She gave him head, they never had sex! See!

chris_h · Sep 16, 2002, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by KidRed:
As I said, I have no issues connecting to a real ftp site in the finder

oh you mean besides being painfully slow and locking up the finder?
yeah i guess you're right, those are two features I had overlooked.

p.s. it's puff puff PASS.

KidRed · Sep 16, 2002, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by chris_h:

oh you mean besides being painfully slow and locking up the finder?
yeah i guess you're right, those are two features I had overlooked.

p.s. it's puff puff PASS.

Depends on how good the stuff is, sometimes it's puff, puff, PUFF, and then pass it before you get mugged. But that doesn't mean i can't connect to the finder

Liquidity X · Sep 16, 2002, 08:53 PM

i want the system sounds also

and i donlt wanna pay unsanity for em either.

KidRed · Sep 16, 2002, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by Liquidity X:
i want the system sounds also and i donlt wanna pay unsanity for em either.

Did you walk into the wrong room?

gorickey · Sep 16, 2002, 08:56 PM

**UPDATE**

Still no 10.2.1....

MacGorilla · Sep 16, 2002, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
**UPDATE**

Still no 10.2.1....

(checks watch) same here

mitchell_pgh · Sep 16, 2002, 09:50 PM

I hear that the debug code is still in 10.2.1... Oh well, maybe not in 10.2.2

Brass · Sep 16, 2002, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by chris_h:

take a screenshot of yourself connected to a regular ftp site in the finder. (not an anonymous ftp, one that requires a login/password).

well, go on...

I also have had no problems with authenticated FTP from the Finder. I was worried when I heard it was causing problems for everyone else, but I and one other person I know personally, have used it quite a lot with no problems whatsoever.

So whatever the cause of the problems is, it is not universal.

I now use the Finder to post updates to the website at my own domain, which does require authentication.

wataru · Sep 16, 2002, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:

Heyoo!

That's hi-larious.

Brass · Sep 16, 2002, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by Brass:

I also have had no problems with authenticated FTP from the Finder. I was worried when I heard it was causing problems for everyone else, but I and one other person I know personally, have used it quite a lot with no problems whatsoever.

So whatever the cause of the problems is, it is not universal.

I now use the Finder to post updates to the website at my own domain, which does require authentication.

Well, the next thing I did after the above post was to use the Finder to do some more authenticated FTP work. Wouldn't you know it, this time it DID lock up the Finder... and OmniWeb, and the Dock, and I couldn't force quit anything. I couldn't even connect reomotely (SSH) to kill things manually.

I had to do a hard restart with the power button!!!

So I agree now that FTP in the Finder is exceedingly buggy. However, I stand by my original opinion that it sometimes works fine with authentication and write access.

I sure hope they get the problems sorted out quick, because if working well and reliably, this is a very good feature for the OS.

Simon Mundy · Sep 16, 2002, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by Brass:

I also have had no problems with authenticated FTP from the Finder. I was worried when I heard it was causing problems for everyone else, but I and one other person I know personally, have used it quite a lot with no problems whatsoever.

So whatever the cause of the problems is, it is not universal.

I now use the Finder to post updates to the website at my own domain, which does require authentication.

How do you use it? I type 'ftp://login

[email protected]' and it mounts fine, but has no write permissions.

benh57 · Sep 16, 2002, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by Simon Mundy:

How do you use it? I type 'ftp://login[email protected]' and it mounts fine, but has no write permissions.

assword?

Brass · Sep 16, 2002, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by Simon Mundy:

How do you use it? I type 'ftp://login[email protected]' and it mounts fine, but has no write permissions.

I don't include the login and password in teh URL, I enter them when prompted. Ie, I use the URL:

ftp://my.site.com

Do you have write access to the top level directory of that FTP site? Most people don't, no matter how they connect. Can you get write access to a folder that you know you have the right permissions for?

Brass · Sep 16, 2002, 10:53 PM

Well, maybe I was dreaming... FTP is now working okay (authenticated) again, but I don't have write access.

I'm confused.

chris_h · Sep 16, 2002, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by Brass:
Well, maybe I was dreaming... FTP is now working okay (authenticated) again, but I don't have write access.

I'm confused.

nope, the ftp-finder feature is just half-assed and buggy, like I said a page ago

this should never have made its way into a shipping product.
it never would have made it into a Windows release ::ducks::

Brass · Sep 16, 2002, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by chris_h:

nope, the ftp-finder feature is just half-assed and buggy, like I said a page ago

this should never have made its way into a shipping product.
it never would have made it into a Windows release ::ducks::

oooohhhh that's ballsy!

But you're probably right. The Windows bugs are usually less obvious (although often more dangerous, such as the latest one, where you've only got to click on the right kind of link on a web page, and the windows help system will erase your entire hard drive - that's the best one I've heard of yet).

Brass · Sep 16, 2002, 11:25 PM

... what was the topic of this thread again?

Oh yeah, software update tonight...

DrSpookles · Sep 16, 2002, 11:41 PM

Checked software update, and saw this

Thought they might be updating in the process. Alas, checked 0.003847 seconds later, and no update.

Does this mean I don't have a life?

philzilla · Sep 16, 2002, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by DrSpookles:
Checked software update, and saw this

are you referring to the butt ugly look you have going on there? you need help

KidRed · Sep 17, 2002, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by philzilla:
are you referring to the butt ugly look you have going on there? you need help

No, he means the error is checking for an update.

Anomalous · Sep 17, 2002, 12:02 AM

Will there be an update tonight?

ctbritt · Sep 17, 2002, 12:45 AM

that was really f***ing annoying.

Hi I'm Mike · Sep 17, 2002, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by DrSpookles:
Checked software update, and saw this

[img]image here...

Thought they might be updating in the process. Alas, checked 0.003847 seconds later, and no update.

Does this mean I don't have a life?

I got the same problem, but my clock is set to 1996.. some people may know why.. yea oh well...

Zimphire · Sep 17, 2002, 02:08 AM

Originally posted by JLL:

According to Ken Bereskin FTP in the Finder is supposed to be read only.

You mean read only to FTP sites that don't require a password.

Zimphire · Sep 17, 2002, 02:17 AM

BTW FTP in the Finder IS BROKE. It doesn't work in ALL FTP servers.

I can log into my space, have it show up on my desktop, but alas, no files. Even though it's full of them

Yes and I have tried to log into it doing it many different ways. Nothing, NADA.

Dissapointing.

Gatorzx2 · Sep 17, 2002, 02:59 AM

Originally posted by Hi I'm Mike:

I got the same problem, but my clock is set to 1996.. some people may know why.. yea oh well...

*Off Topic: What font are you using as your system font there?

JLL · Sep 17, 2002, 03:13 AM

I wonder if Apple is trying to upload 10.2.1 to their FTP servers with 10.2 Finder

Ibson · Sep 17, 2002, 03:25 AM

Originally posted by Gatorzx2:

*Off Topic: What font are you using as your system font there?

I'd say its Bauhaus: http://www.adobe.com/type/browser/P/P_087.jhtml. It's an odd name because although the designer designed it while he was at the Bauhaus, the official Bauhaus correspondence was in a typeface very different from the "universal typeface".

On Topic: I can connect to all my FTP servers and view files on them fine. I just can't make any changes!

Hi I'm Mike · Sep 17, 2002, 04:14 AM

Originally posted by Gatorzx2:

*Off Topic: What font are you using as your system font there?

It's Florida 12pt if you want it you can message me at mpinbwzrd on AIM

brainchild2b · Sep 17, 2002, 04:56 AM

here's my point.

Apple knows about the bug, they knew about it when they shipped jaguar. The bug is supposed to be a simple fix of a permissions issue, even if it wasn't so simple Apple has the resources to fix it for the 10.2.1 update. I guarantee they could, as there is more than enough talent at Apple to release a quick fix. It's the blatent ignoring of this issue that ticks me off. Apple deleted an entire thread at their message forums posted about the FTP bug. I paid for that feature Steve talked about on stage. When SMB was released and crashed and was buggy, it took them way to long to fix that as well. Apple has always been known for world-class software. Lately I'm getting the serious impression apple is half assed. Take iCal or many of the iApps is that really the best they could do in a 1.0 release?

It feels like windows. Windows had screwed up built in ftp with no threading for years. Apple's now following in the footsteps with having the same thing. I switched away from windows for a better experience. Now I have slower processors, and software that's slowly starting to scare me.. I just want apple to keep the quality in check.

Regardless of FTP being important or not, it was a feature listed for Jaguar 10.2 And Steve discribed it as using it in your favorites to save directly to ftp. There is not a single reason for FTP fix to be held back from 10.2.1, there is enough damn programmers at apple to fix ftp in the span of 30 minutes if their life depended on it.

If there is a ligitiment reason for it not to be fix or this feature "upgraded" then Apple should tell us. Instead of deleting forums or ignoring problems.

biscuit · 04:36 AM

Originally posted by brainchild2b:
here's my point.

*snip*

If there is a ligitiment reason for it not to be fix or this feature "upgraded" then Apple should tell us. Instead of deleting forums or ignoring problems.

Hear hear! Well said Sir. You are both a scholar and a gentleman.

biscuit

OwlBoy · Sep 17, 2002, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by Hi I'm Mike:

I got the same problem, but my clock is set to 1996.. some people may know why.. yea oh well...
{image snip}

I know why! You bad bad man!

-Owl

TheTraveller · Sep 17, 2002, 12:26 PM

I just tried for the first time to connect to an FTP server from the Finder. I agree with the critics - it blows. Slow, yes, locks-up the Finder, yes. This is really the first noteworthy "complaint" I've had about Jaguar.

MacGorilla · Sep 17, 2002, 01:05 PM

<Checks watch> Still no update....

gorickey · Sep 17, 2002, 02:27 PM

No update...not today at least.

brainchild2b · Sep 17, 2002, 03:03 PM

maybe they finally read feedback and pulled the update notes because now they have to fix FTP first :-)