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The kids in Camden that died in the trunk...
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First off let me say that anytime anything like this happens it's terrible.
That said, I'm getting SO annoyed with the media and families in this area blaming everyone from Santa Clause to the Philly Fanatic for the kids' deaths.
Has anyone heard word one from the parents saying, "we could've watched them closer" or, "we could've checked the trunk" or for that matter WHY was this car just sitting in the yard, unlocked?
I understand that the police may have missed the trunk in their search, but why were these kids allowed to roam around unattended, especially at their young ages?
I'm curious to hear how other people feel...
-Josh
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Here's the link for those outside of the Philly metro area, sorry I didn't include it before:
http://www.nbc10.com/news/4654376/detail.html
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I think they feel guilt... but deal with it by blaming someone else.
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Originally Posted by mitchell_pgh
I think they feel guilt... but deal with it by blaming someone else.
It's probably what I would do initially. It's simply too bad the media is taking advantage of them. The story should die and the family should be allowed to mourn and accept their loss.
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that is really very sad. 
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Originally Posted by Railroader
It's probably what I would do initially. It's simply too bad the media is taking advantage of them. The story should die and the family should be allowed to mourn and accept their loss.
It's what I would probably do. Your mental state has to be in question... and you would want to lash out at someone... or lock yourself in a room and not talk to anyone.
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Sorry, but that father seems like an idiot. First of all, if he thought the trunk was the first obvious place to look, why didn't he look there himself? Second, he blames the department of youth services, because they didn't take the kids away when he reported they had mental problems and kept wandering off. Well, sorry, he was the parent, and responsible for keeping an eye on them
Just yet another example of this country's obsession with not taking responsibility for anything.
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It is very sad. My prayers go out to the family and friends. At least the boys are not at peace.
This isn't the same country that in which I grew up. No one wants to take responsibility. All that I can do is pray. 
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Originally Posted by wdlove
It is very sad. My prayers go out to the family and friends. At least the boys are not at peace.
At least they're not?
Originally Posted by wdlove
This isn't the same country that in which I grew up. No one wants to take responsibility. All that I can do is pray.
That's half the problem. All people do is "pray" and "hope" that things will fix themselves. Talk about not taking responsibility.
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The liberals seem to be doing a good job of removing the ability to accept responsibility.
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Let's deal fault out:
1. The Kids themselves
2. The car's owner
3. The kids' parents
Distant fourth
4. Local police
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It's always heartbreaking to see a child die, but particularly when it is from senseless neglect and/or abuse.
I hate to quote movie lines in serious situations, but I think it was Parenthood's Keneau Reeves character that said 'you need a license to drive a car, you need a license to have a dog, you even need a license to catch a fish....but any idiot can have kids.'
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Originally Posted by tooki
Sorry, but that father seems like an idiot. First of all, if he thought the trunk was the first obvious place to look, why didn't he look there himself? Second, he blames the department of youth services, because they didn't take the kids away when he reported they had mental problems and kept wandering off. Well, sorry, he was the parent, and responsible for keeping an eye on them
Just yet another example of this country's obsession with not taking responsibility for anything.
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Seconded. 
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Originally Posted by Railroader
The liberals seem to be doing a good job of removing the ability to accept responsibility.
I think we should tax trunks into oblivion.
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Who leaves a trunk OPEN? Didn't they know the trunk that was open for over two weeks was now closed? Where was grandma? WTF? Inept cops, maybe, but the parents and car owner bare responsibility for this happening. Next you'll see this type leave a loaded gun inside a freezer door open... so the kids can lock themselves in and shoot themselves too... idiots.
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Its interesting how we blame ourselves when it isn't our fault (If I wouldn't have been running 5 minutes late, none of this would have happened), but blame others when it very possibly is our own (Why were you stopped at a legal red light, and let me hit you doing 80!!!*).
Its actually because they never saw the Punky Brewster where Cherry got locked in that old fridge and almost died. Can't remember how they found her. Must be Soliel Moon Frye's fault.
*anyone know where that comes from?
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Originally Posted by tooki
Sorry, but that father seems like an idiot. First of all, if he thought the trunk was the first obvious place to look, why didn't he look there himself? Second, he blames the department of youth services, because they didn't take the kids away when he reported they had mental problems and kept wandering off. Well, sorry, he was the parent, and responsible for keeping an eye on them
Just yet another example of this country's obsession with not taking responsibility for anything.
tooki
This story is on the news nightly where I live (about 1/2 way between Philadelphia and Newark, Delaware), and I have to agree with Tooki. Plus, something just doesn't quite feel right about this story.... maybe its the cynic in me, but something is a little fishy.
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suppposedly the trunk latch was broken, but it could have been mostly closed before then.
it also reminds me of the fridge scares of the 80s.
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Why the heck can't all tunks have some ventilation of sorts??
or a panic switch perhaps?
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Originally Posted by FulcrumPilot
Why the heck can't all tunks have some ventilation of sorts??
or a panic switch perhaps?
Many modern car trunks can be opened from the inside
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Last night, they parents apologized to everyone. They said that they did not blame anyone...
Did anyone else see that?
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Originally Posted by andi*pandi
suppposedly the trunk latch was broken, but it could have been mostly closed before then.
it also reminds me of the fridge scares of the 80s.
G.I. Joe taught me the wrongs of playing in abandoned fridges.
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Originally Posted by Secret__Police
Many modern car trunks can be opened from the inside
1. This was not a car with such a device.
2. Even if it were, do you think those three kids would know what to do?
3. There is always a three. I just can't think of one...
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I wonder if the kids could have kick their way out?
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Originally Posted by Secret__Police
Many modern car trunks can be opened from the inside
All new cars build after 2001 (IIRC). It's the law.
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The article linked in the initial post says that federal law requires internal trunk releases from 2002 on.
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