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SMacSteve · Jul 12, 2002, 07:36 AM

The Chimera nightly builds has 0.4 available. Just downloaded it!

WJMoore · Jul 12, 2002, 08:36 AM

Sorry but 0.4 isn't out until it shows up on <a href="http://chimera.mozdev.org/" target="_blank">http://chimera.mozdev.org/</a>

From that page:

<blockquote>quote:<hr />When you go to grab this most recent nightly, it's going to claim to be Chimera 0.3. It isn't. It's just the latest snapshot on the way to 0.3.<hr /></blockquote>Wesley

rjenkinson · Jul 12, 2002, 08:40 AM

that's funny, because the splash screen on my copy plainly says 0.4.

-r.

[ 07-12-2002, 07:55 PM: Message edited by: rjenkinson ]

shortcipher · Jul 12, 2002, 08:50 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by WJMoore:
Sorry but 0.4 isn't out until it shows up on <a href="http://chimera.mozdev.org/" target="_blank">http://chimera.mozdev.org/</a>

From that page:

<blockquote>quote:<hr />When you go to grab this most recent nightly, it's going to claim to be Chimera 0.3. It isn't. It's just the latest snapshot on the way to 0.3.<hr /></blockquote>Wesley<hr /></blockquote>well he's right, it does say 0.4, I wonder whats new...

curmi · Jul 12, 2002, 09:05 AM

No, it say 0.4, but it isn't "0.4 release" yet. They change it to 0.4 before release, but they are still working on 0.4. That is exactly what was said above, except they were talking about the 0.3 release.

rjenkinson · Jul 12, 2002, 10:24 AM

but it's obviously not 0.3 just renamed 0.4. whether you want to call it a 0.4 beta or 0.4 release or even "the latest 0.4 nightly build," i think we can all agree that 0.4 is actually out.

-r.

SwarmyCurve · Jul 12, 2002, 10:24 AM

This same thing happened with .3.
It should be within a week that it is officially unveiled.

Jamie · Jul 12, 2002, 10:30 AM

Does anyone have the 0.4 build on an http server?

I'm at work and for some reason our firewall blocks ftp connection to mozdev.org <img border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" title="" src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" />

J

billybob · Jul 12, 2002, 10:57 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by rjenkinson:
but it's obviously not 0.3 just renamed 0.4. whether you want to call it a 0.4 beta or 0.4 release or even "the latest 0.4 nightly build," i think we can all agree that 0.4 is actually out.

-r.<hr /></blockquote>Stop being difficult. You obviously have no idea how software is made. 0.4 is not out. It is being prepared. They changed the splash screen because theyre about to release 0.4.

Sine · Jul 12, 2002, 11:33 AM

Too bad it still does that bogus flickering and page movment in forum input lines.

dazzla · Jul 12, 2002, 11:58 AM

I wonder how the official 0.4 release will cope with Jaguar. I loved chimera on 10.1.5 but on Jag it's the most buggy program on my Mac. Random crashes on average at least once every 5 minutes.

Please don't give me a lecture about beta software on beta OS's, I know this, but Chimera is the only program to crash on me on Jag.

CheesePuff · Jul 12, 2002, 12:10 PM

Chimera 0.4 is not out. They did this with 0.3, as well. They are just preparing it probably so they don't forget to call it 0.4 when its released.

For whats new over 0.3... well, scrolling is MUCH faster, prefs improved, when you click on a download it now asks where to save and then downloads in a almost fully-functional download window (shows time left, progress bar, speed, etc.) and I'm sure a few other things.

ksuther · Jul 12, 2002, 12:22 PM

Wow, I'm typing this from the latest nightly build, and I must say it's a lot better. Typing in text fields still isn't acceptable, but it acts a lot more like Mozilla. Now command-W closes a tab, and command-shift-W closes the window, like it should, instead of the silly command-Y for closing a tab. There are more preferences now, including command-click opening a new tab, and opening new tabs in the background. Yay

CheesePuff · Jul 12, 2002, 12:45 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ksuther:
Wow, I'm typing this from the latest nightly build, and I must say it's a lot better. Typing in text fields still isn't acceptable, but it acts a lot more like Mozilla. Now command-W closes a tab, and command-shift-W closes the window, like it should, instead of the silly command-Y for closing a tab. There are more preferences now, including command-click opening a new tab, and opening new tabs in the background. Yay

<hr /></blockquote>Actually, it gets better. When you press command-w and all of the tabs are closed and then press it again, it closes the window.

Sven G · Jul 12, 2002, 02:38 PM

The bookmarks drawer still has to be manually opened at every new launch of Chimera: the browser doesn't remember if it was open or closed; Mail, OTOH - which should become Navigator's most closely related complementary app, - *does* remember the drawer's "state" (a much better implementation, IMO).

Millennium · Jul 12, 2002, 04:39 PM

Must we go through this every time the Mozilla or Chimera teams prepare to release something?

0.4 is not out. The version number on nightly builds means absolutely nothing. It will not be out until it's up on their Website as Chimera 0.4.

However, the fact that they have changed the version numbers in the nightlies means that they feel they're getting close to being ready for a 0.4 release. Perhaps in the next two weeks sometime? Perhaps coinciding with MacWorld, even?

I keep telling the developers that they should tag their nightlies with
"THIS IS NOT FINAL" or something, precisely because we always have someone jumping the gun every single time the developers twitch. Not just on the Forums, either; MacsOnly is famous for doing this, though they haven't done it yet this time. But it's a problem that really needs fixing.

sdagley · Jul 12, 2002, 05:01 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by dazzla:
I wonder how the official 0.4 release will cope with Jaguar. I loved chimera on 10.1.5 but on Jag it's the most buggy program on my Mac. Random crashes on average at least once every 5 minutes.

Please don't give me a lecture about beta software on beta OS's, I know this, but Chimera is the only program to crash on me on Jag.<hr /></blockquote>Care to be specific about where Chimera is crashing and provide some CrashReporter logs? And what version of Jaguar are you running on? I'm going to guess since you're commenting about it publicly you're not on Apple's official seed list and wouldn't have access to the latest builds.

Steve

[ 07-12-2002, 05:02 PM: Message edited by: sdagley ]

sdagley · Jul 12, 2002, 05:09 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Sven G:
The bookmarks drawer still has to be manually opened at every new launch of Chimera: the browser doesn't remember if it was open or closed; Mail, OTOH - which should become Navigator's most closely related complementary app, - *does* remember the drawer's "state" (a much better implementation, IMO).<hr /></blockquote>We discussed this (there's a bug filed in Bugzilla) and decided not to 'fix' it. Since the drawer state is specific to each window persisting the state across launches becomes very convoluted. Even remembering the state of the last window doesn't really work since if you have several windows open and quit you're sorta playing roulette on which one will be the last to close. It was decided that having the drawer be closed at launch was much more consistent and less confusing that sometimes having it open and sometimes not.

Steve

Sharky K. · Jul 12, 2002, 05:37 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by sdagley:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Sven G:
The bookmarks drawer still has to be manually opened at every new launch of Chimera: the browser doesn't remember if it was open or closed; Mail, OTOH - which should become Navigator's most closely related complementary app, - *does* remember the drawer's "state" (a much better implementation, IMO).<hr /></blockquote>We discussed this (there's a bug filed in Bugzilla) and decided not to 'fix' it. Since the drawer state is specific to each window persisting the state across launches becomes very convoluted. Even remembering the state of the last window doesn't really work since if you have several windows open and quit you're sorta playing roulette on which one will be the last to close. It was decided that having the drawer be closed at launch was much more consistent and less confusing that sometimes having it open and sometimes not.

Steve<hr /></blockquote>you could say: always closed only open when last closed window had an open drawer.

CJM · Jul 12, 2002, 06:12 PM

do you guys go through this EVERY time there is a new release of mozilla, chimera, OW, or pretty much any piece of software that has nightly and then "official" builds? Obviously, the splash screen will be updated to version .4 before .4 is officially released. It only means they are getting closer to a .4 release, so all subsequent nightlies will carry the .4 number up until the actual release.

JLL · Jul 12, 2002, 06:22 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by CJM:
do you guys go through this EVERY time there is a new release of mozilla, chimera, OW, or pretty much any piece of software that has nightly and then "official" builds?<hr /></blockquote>Yes, didn't you notice the OW4.1sp thread?

dazzla · Jul 12, 2002, 07:33 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by sdagley:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by dazzla:
I wonder how the official 0.4 release will cope with Jaguar. I loved chimera on 10.1.5 but on Jag it's the most buggy program on my Mac. Random crashes on average at least once every 5 minutes.

Please don't give me a lecture about beta software on beta OS's, I know this, but Chimera is the only program to crash on me on Jag.<hr /></blockquote>Care to be specific about where Chimera is crashing and provide some CrashReporter logs? And what version of Jaguar are you running on? I'm going to guess since you're commenting about it publicly you're not on Apple's official seed list and wouldn't have access to the latest builds.

Steve<hr /></blockquote>Yeah, 6c85, crashed mostly when switching tabs and scrolling. Few gfx errors on buttons as well. But like you said, I'm not on Apple's official seed list so I'm not going to complain.

King Bob On The Cob · Jul 12, 2002, 08:01 PM

The latest Chimera build is really fast... Faster then the one I DLed yesterday. By Alot.

CJM · Jul 12, 2002, 08:34 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JLL:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by CJM:
do you guys go through this EVERY time there is a new release of mozilla, chimera, OW, or pretty much any piece of software that has nightly and then "official" builds?<hr /></blockquote>Yes, didn't you notice the OW4.1sp thread?<hr /></blockquote>no, but i do remember the "MOZILLA 1.0 IS OUT, I JUST DL'ED IT FROM THE NIGHTLIES!" posts

eno · Jul 12, 2002, 09:28 PM

These test builds pre-0.4 are really good.

Still the odd "unexpected quit", but while it works, it works fast, clean and beautiful.

Sven G · Jul 13, 2002, 03:17 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Sharky K.:
[QUOTE]You could say: always closed only open when last closed window had an open drawer.<hr /></blockquote>... Or, more simply (but also more "assertively"), default Navigator to automatically open the drawer in the first window at every new launch (does this make sense, or not...? Personally, I think it's better to "show everything" at the first launch, especially for new users...)

In any case, I think Navigator and Mail should have the most coherent possible behaviors between them, as most "newbie" users (essentially web browsing and emailing) will certainly heavily use them *together* (one complements the other, as Navigator will, of course, not be a complete Mozilla suite)...

Sine · Jul 13, 2002, 06:34 AM

As I am trying to type this out in Chimera, the page keeps on moving up and down. <img border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" title="" src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" title="" src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" />

Wickedkitten · Jul 14, 2002, 05:49 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Sine:
As I am trying to type this out in Chimera, the page keeps on moving up and down. <img border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" title="" src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" title="" src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" />

<hr /></blockquote>I keep getting that as well and thats the one thing that annoys me about chimera. Other than that its shaping up to be a killer app

Sven G · Jul 14, 2002, 08:22 AM

BTW, it looks like the former Chimera/Navigator main developer (Dave Hyatt) has quitted Netscape and become an Apple employee (at least if these weblogs are true...) - *very* interesting (iWeb, etc.?):

<a href="http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1026612461&count=1" target="_blank">http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1026612461&count=1</a>

<a href="http://www.mozillazine.org/weblogs/hyatt" target="_blank">http://www.mozillazine.org/weblogs/hyatt</a>

(Sorry in the case this should be old news: haven't had much time to browse the forums recently...)

JLL · Jul 14, 2002, 09:14 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Sven G:
BTW, it looks like the former Chimera/Navigator main developer (Dave Hyatt) has quitted Netscape and become an Apple employee (at least if these weblogs are true...) - *very* interesting (iWeb, etc.?):

<a href="http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1026612461&count=1" target="_blank">http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1026612461&count=1</a>

<a href="http://www.mozillazine.org/weblogs/hyatt" target="_blank">http://www.mozillazine.org/weblogs/hyatt</a>

(Sorry in the case this should be old news: haven't had much time to browse the forums recently...)<hr /></blockquote>Old news? Did you look at the date?

Sven G · Jul 14, 2002, 09:25 AM

I'm getting more and more distracted! (But, anyway, it could have been that the news had been posted previously through other channels...)

Group51 · Jul 14, 2002, 09:49 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Sven G:
BTW, it looks like the former Chimera/Navigator main developer (Dave Hyatt) has quitted Netscape and become an Apple employee (at least if these weblogs are true...) - *very* interesting (iWeb, etc.?):

<a href="http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1026612461&count=1" target="_blank">http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1026612461&count=1</a>

<a href="http://www.mozillazine.org/weblogs/hyatt" target="_blank">http://www.mozillazine.org/weblogs/hyatt</a>

(Sorry in the case this should be old news: haven't had much time to browse the forums recently...)<hr /></blockquote>Cripes! Its news to me. Let the conspiracies begin!