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Wer'e the police, we don't have to knock, beeyatch
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Jun 15, 2006, 08:17 PM
 
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/06/15/sc...rch/index.html

Entering a house without announcing yourself is liable to get you shot where I live.
I for one, would reach for my 12 guage if I heard my door being kicked in at 3 in the morning.

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edit: crap, I typed wer'e instead of we're, I realized this about 10 seconds after posting this thread
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Jun 15, 2006, 08:22 PM
 
If you have a search warrent, you really don't *need* to knock. It's more of a courtesy.
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Jun 15, 2006, 08:34 PM
 
an example of what happens when the police don't knock: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cory_Maye
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Jun 16, 2006, 07:41 AM
 
Originally Posted by jcadam
an example of what happens when the police don't knock: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cory_Maye
Sounds more like what happens when the police do knock but the occupant is a heavy sleeper.

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Jun 16, 2006, 12:04 PM
 
Originally Posted by Rumor
If you have a search warrent, you really don't *need* to knock. It's more of a courtesy.
You're right, but only as of this ruling. As usual, the conservatives want more power for the government against citizens.
     
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Jun 16, 2006, 12:19 PM
 
Originally Posted by jcadam
an example of what happens when the police don't knock: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cory_Maye
Indeed. The ironic part about about the conservative members of the Supreme Court expanding government power like this is that it really endangers police officers. I simply can't think of a reason for the police not to knock and identify themselves when serving a warrant. It only takes a second or two. If they are worried about a suspect fleeing then that's why you have enough officers to surround the place and catch the guy if he runs out the back door or a window. All I know is that if I'm in my home and someone comes through my door in the middle of the night unannounced I'm likely to shoot first and ask questions later. How is the average citizen supposed to be able to distinguish between a criminal and a cop in such a situation if the police act just like the criminals?

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Jun 16, 2006, 01:23 PM
 
Originally Posted by OAW
Indeed. The ironic part about about the conservative members of the Supreme Court expanding government power like this is that it really endangers police officers. I simply can't think of a reason for the police not to knock and identify themselves when serving a warrant. It only takes a second or two. If they are worried about a suspect fleeing then that's why you have enough officers to surround the place and catch the guy if he runs out the back door or a window. All I know is that if I'm in my home and someone comes through my door in the middle of the night unannounced I'm likely to shoot first and ask questions later. How is the average citizen supposed to be able to distinguish between a criminal and a cop in such a situation if the police act just like the criminals?

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Jun 16, 2006, 01:34 PM
 
The situation should dictate whether the cops go in aggressively or not. If there is an immediate risk to someone in the home or that the occupants might destroy evidence (flush drugs, etc.) then they should knock the door down. But this should be rare.

The majority of the time, serving a search warrent should be the kind of thing where they knock and politely show the warrant, then search.

And in no case should they barge in without announcing that they are law enforcement serving a warrant.

And knocking saves the cost of a door if they don't find anything.
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Jun 21, 2006, 10:30 AM
 
I'm surprised this was such a close split decision.

I had no idea that some felt police should necessarily knock, if they have a valid search warrant, especially if they believe it could be a dangerous situation.
     
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Jun 21, 2006, 12:47 PM
 
Originally Posted by jcadam
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/06/15/sc...rch/index.html

Entering a house without announcing yourself is liable to get you shot where I live.
I for one, would reach for my 12 guage if I heard my door being kicked in at 3 in the morning.
So you and your neighbors keep loaded weapons near you when you sleep? Where do you live? Congo?

I think that's the problem for anyone who shoots a police officer when they enter your house. This is the United States not Mogadishu and you're more likely to get killed driving to work than you are by a home invader who is more likely interested in your wallet than your life. Safety tip for everyone involved: Police should knock. Occupants should keep their weapons locked up.
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Jun 26, 2006, 10:47 AM
 
Originally Posted by UNTeMac
So you and your neighbors keep loaded weapons near you when you sleep? Where do you live? Congo?

I think that's the problem for anyone who shoots a police officer when they enter your house. This is the United States not Mogadishu and you're more likely to get killed driving to work than you are by a home invader who is more likely interested in your wallet than your life. Safety tip for everyone involved: Police should knock. Occupants should keep their weapons locked up.
Burglars come at night, and most make the attempt to do so when they believe the house is unoccupied.

The new fangled "home invaders" can kick your door in at any hour --- even in broad daylight. And they are usually interested in raping and/or killing, and then, maybe, grabbing anything of value on their way out.


And I sleep with a shotgun under my bed, yes.
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Jun 26, 2006, 11:31 AM
 
Originally Posted by jcadam
Burglars come at night, and most make the attempt to do so when they believe the house is unoccupied.

The new fangled "home invaders" can kick your door in at any hour --- even in broad daylight. And they are usually interested in raping and/or killing, and then, maybe, grabbing anything of value on their way out.


And I sleep with a shotgun under my bed, yes.
I feel bad for anyone who lives with so much fear in their lives that they risk the safety of the occupants of their own house in a far more statistically significant way.
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Jun 26, 2006, 12:44 PM
 
Safety Tip: Don't let the police officer into your home unless they show you their badge and you verify it with the police station. Too many criminals impersonating police officers to break into homes.
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Jun 26, 2006, 12:49 PM
 
Originally Posted by BRussell
You're right, but only as of this ruling. As usual, the conservatives want more power for the government against citizens.
All this means is that criminals don't get a free pass on a technicality, which is as it should be.
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