[Spheric Harlot]

comprehensive list up there.

Add GUI for VPN via IPsec (read somewhere, sorry).

-s*

[7Macfreak]

what about smart folders? is there any such implementation?

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by jaysones:
Fast user switching does not turn on a cube on my Dual GHz with Panther, like it did in the demo. It just fades the screen out for a second, then back in with the other user account logged in. They're using the same color depth and resolution. Is there a toggle for the cube effect? I was really looking forward to this. Bummer.

Quartz Extreme only.

non-QE machines just fade between screens.

-s*

[OwlBoy]

Ok, right now to switch from one user to the next w/o a pass, the account has to have no pass on it.

When creating a new account without a pass a dialog comes up with this warning:

Anyone can access your computer using this user account without entering a password. Are you sure you want to do this?

-Owl

[bgmccollum]

help is much faster. launched in 1 bounce on a 300Mhz G3. searching was fast. scrolling was fast. completely happy with it now.

[DBvader]

its actually really cool, but i seem to be having a lot of problems with my keyboard.

• Eject Buttin doesnt work
• iKey mappings dont work

Application stability is good.

UT2K3 got essentially the same framerates (~30 FPS) on my Dual 867/9000/512.

if i can fix this keyboard thing, its honestly amazing.

[DVD Plaza]

Originally posted by brainchild2b:

Err those Cancel and Login buttons are brushed metal ones, yet they're on an aqua dialog?!?

[zachs]

Originally posted by DVD Plaza:
Err those Cancel and Login buttons are brushed metal ones, yet they're on an aqua dialog?!?

I actually think those buttons are more "aqua" like. If they would just remove the ring around them that makes them "sunk" in the brushed metal, they'd look fine.

[BuonRotto]

In Panther, the "aqua" and "metal" buttons look the same, and they're all "sunken."

[lookmark]

Originally posted by BuonRotto:
In Panther, the "aqua" and "metal" buttons look the same, and they're all "sunken."

This unification (and a few other Panther hints) make me curious if they're going to open up Panther to users being able to choose Aqua or Metal, either across the system or app-by-app.

I could see it going either way, actually (probably it's not going to happen). If it does, though, here's a guess how it might work:

A Theme section in Appearance:

- Aqua and Metal (as chosen by Apple; default)
- Aqua (all apps Aqua -- even iApps) (!)
- Metal (all apps Metal)

[jaysones]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
Quartz Extreme only.

non-QE machines just fade between screens.

-s*

I didn't know that, but I have a Dual GHz G4 with a GeForce 4MX. My machine does all the Quartz Extreme stuff. Any ideas why this is not happening?

EDIT- It seems its third restart convinced it to work. Weird. I didn't change anything. Oh well, if you have this problem, just restart until you don't! That is a VERY, VERY cool effect.

[mikebat]

Originally posted by disco_stu:
Thanks for the screenshots guys!

Would someone be so kind as to post that sweet aqua blue desktop background that's in the pics (like in http://homepage.mac.com/jshier/Switch.jpg)? Please!?!?

Sure

http://homepage.mac.com/bombia/new_desktops.html

It's called "True Aqua"

Mike

[yellowdog]

I can't see if this has been answered yet, but does Mail still send out those resourse fork files with attachments? Now that OS 9 is a goner, one would hope that that annoying thing is eliminated in Panther.

[CatOne]

Originally posted by MacDork:
Can someone verify this?

It's amazingly annoying on a Powerbook to have to hold down the "fn" key to get "F1" instead of "Brightness down"

Almost every Function key (F1-F10) have alternate functions (brightness, volume, keyboard lighting, etc), and I'd just love to be able to toggle the behaviour so that I need to hold down the "fn" key to get brightness/volume, etc.

The brightness and volume keys work just fine for me on Panther preview, on my 1 GH TiBook.

[disco_stu]

Originally posted by mikebat:
Sure

http://homepage.mac.com/bombia/new_desktops.html

It's called "True Aqua"

Mike

You, sir, rock! Thanks!

Is it just me, or is this thread 1000 times more exciting than Steve's Panther preview?

/yeah, I need a life

[SOLIDAge]

on my mother's iBook 500 where it says 'Activate Screen Corners" in SCREEN SAVER it is dimmed, and i can NOT select it. this is annoying because the bottom right is currently set to turn the screen to screen saver...and she doesn't want it like that....
any one else having this problem?

also in the EXPOSE window, where it shows the bottom right corner, ACTIVATE/DEACTIVATE screen saver is also HOT highlighted (dimmed)

[asan102]

Originally posted by - - e r i k - -:

Originally posted by asan102:


Can someone PLEASE explain the new grey titlebars ? From all the screen shots I've seen, it seems like some windows still have pin-striped titlebars , while others have the new grey-ish ones, apparently at random. What is the order behind this?

Foremost window grey, windows in the back pinstriped.

I wish it were that easy to differentiate metal windows...

in this screenshot:
http://www.spymac.com/gallery/showph...t=2&thecat=998

It looks as if the front-most window's title-bar is grey, and the background windows have pinstriped title-bars, but they are no longer clear. So, are clear title-bars gone? I guess this makes sense - you don't really need to see thru title-bars when you have Expos�.

[asan102]

Originally posted by SOLIDAge:
on my mother's iBook 500 where it says 'Activate Screen Corners" in SCREEN SAVER it is dimmed, and i can NOT select it. this is annoying because the bottom right is currently set to turn the screen to screen saver...and she doesn't want it like that....
any one else having this problem?

also in the EXPOSE window, where it shows the bottom right corner, ACTIVATE/DEACTIVATE screen saver is also HOT highlighted (dimmed)

umm, why are you installing a beta (most likely pirated) OS on your mom's computer?

[SOLIDAge]

Originally posted by asan102:
umm, why are you installing a beta (most likely pirated) OS on your mom's computer?

and...why is it pirated?

anyway, it was installed because she really needed the quick user feature since her and my sister use it.

[asan102]

well, there's definitely more people who have pirated it than were actually at WWDC, so I said you probably had a pirated version, which would be an accurate assumption.

[chromos]

Originally posted by CatOne:
The brightness and volume keys work just fine for me on Panther preview, on my 1 GH TiBook.

I think he means can you toggle their behavior, as was possible in OS 9, such that one had to hit fn+F1 in order to reduce screen brightness.

I too would like to see this option.

[amnesiac]

Originally posted by kelix:
[B
Not happy tho! Itunes and all the other iLife apps were removed during installation! [/B]

So does that include the removal of the related files in the iapps?eg.mp3s...your experience shows a lot of promise for Panther...i'll defintely get the upgrade....if they fix that iapps delete thingie and include them in Panther

[gthyb]

nothing of mine was removed.

[fourstarcltv]

just thought i'd add a few tidbits i've noticed while using panther which i don't think have been mentioned:

- whilst running jaguar, right-clicking to bring up a contextual menu would always result in a ~10 sec 'beach ball', under panther it's now instant. nice.

- there is no longer a stalling of the boot process whilst looking for a network connection, it now just flies through.

- and yes, i too am seeing quite a healthy speed boost on my dual g4. i've found it most obvious whilst setting the system prefs, navigating between items is now instantaneous, under jaguar there was a noticeable delay. oh, and as others have said the pull-down menus are near os 9 responsiveness.

all in all, this dev. preview gives a good indication of what we can expect in 10.3. i'm impressed.

[Global Mouser]

When renaming a file in the "new" finder can you pull up a contextual menu to copy and paste text?

Please tell me it's true! It would make life so much easier.

[- - e r i k - -]

Originally posted by asan102:
It looks as if the front-most window's title-bar is grey, and the background windows have pinstriped title-bars, but they are no longer clear. So, are clear title-bars gone? I guess this makes sense - you don't really need to see thru title-bars when you have Expos�.

The system preferences is the foremost window. About this mac is now actually a pallette.

[- - e r i k - -]

Originally posted by Global Mouser:
When renaming a file in the "new" finder can you pull up a contextual menu to copy and paste text?

Please tell me it's true! It would make life so much easier.

When renaming files you can't bring up a contextual menu at all. And how would this make it easier than command-c and command-v?

[gthyb]

you CAN close windows minimized in the dock, but so far it looks like just finder windows.

[jocker]

iApps DONT get removed.

Man this is the best piece of software I have ever used, on any computer.

Done an Archive and Install and my PB17" is sooooo sweet now.

Even for a preview its way faster than Jaguar, way faster!

Switching between Dreamweaver and Photoshop, either by clicking in the dock or using expose, is instant. Try that in Jag with these behemoth apps. Even dreamweaver is lightning speed.

I feel like I just got a G5 in my laptop!

[crouchingtiger]

One thing I don't think I've seen posted anywhere else:

If you hit F9 to invoke Expose on all open windows, you can then hit tab or ~ to cycle between all the open windows in single apps.

It's really neat!

[fourstarcltv]

a couple on nice improvements i've noticed whilst running safari under panther:

- the infamous 'stalling' while loading ign.com sites is now gone, loads straight up with no delay.

- under jag, the first time i would go to select a bookmark from the bookmark bar pull-down the beach ball would rear its ugly head (my guess was it was loading the bookmarks), with panther there is no delay.

it's these little things that, for me, really make the difference. good job apple !

[moki]

Originally posted by ambush:
The Finder is cocoa (the app is a .app package, the nstoolbar isn't an ugly hack)

No, it is not Cocoa. The Finder is a .nib-based Carbon application in Panther.

[JKT]

Originally posted by moki:
No, it is not Cocoa. The Finder is a .nib-based Carbon application in Panther.

How much closer in behaviour are the two under Panther (e.g. are scrolling, open/save dialogues, Services, Font Book usage, etc behaviours the same, or is there still an obvious difference?)

TIA

[Michel Fortin]

Originally posted by gthyb:
you CAN close windows minimized in the dock, but so far it looks like just finder windows.

You can too in Jaguar (in Finder). Open any finder window (it may even be the preference panel), minimize it, then hit cmd-w (or go to the file menu and choose close window). The minimized window will close.

[curan]

What new desktop pictures are included in the Panther Beta? If any at all.

[DVD Plaza]

Originally posted by BuonRotto:
In Panther, the "aqua" and "metal" buttons look the same, and they're all "sunken."

Given every single Panther screenshot posted in these forums thus far have had proper aqua buttons on aqua dialogs, I'd disagree with this.

The login panel is the first aqua dialog posted thus far that has had brushed metal buttons on it (which, in addition to being sunked, have a utterly different shading effect on them).

Even the Finder screen shots have had brushed metal buttons on the brushed metal Finder, but aqua version of those same buttons when used on the aqua open/save sheet.

[MacDork]

Originally posted by CatOne:
The brightness and volume keys work just fine for me on Panther preview, on my 1 GH TiBook.

That's not really what I'm asking: what I want to know is... currently:

Brightness = F1

What I WANT is.......
Brightness = "fn" + F1


Is there a way to toggle that behavior, like there was in OS 9?

[- - e r i k - -]

Originally posted by kuran:
What new desktop pictures are included in the Panther Beta? If any at all.

None. No new sounds either. Most questions are answered in my thread

[Mithras]

I'm --VERY-- interested to see an answer to this question:

The posts about iTunes sharing indicate that under Fast User Switching, your apps continue to run even when you've switched users. (i.e., they're not 'suspended', they run normally.)

Someone with Panther, can you:

1. install a VNC server app (here)
2. run it under one account
3. Switch to a different user
4. From another computer, run a VNC client (here), and try to get the first user's desktop?

If that works, it means you can have multiple simultaneous GUI users, which will absolutely rock.

But it may be that the API that the VNC server uses has changed in Panther, in which case this will be an unresolved question.

One other way to address the same question is this:
1. Log in as one user. Open some apps, whatever.
2. Switch to a different user, with a recognizably different background, etc.
3. From the same or different computer, SSH in as the first user. Type 'screencapture /Users/Shared/mydesk.pdf'
4. Does screencapture work, or does it complain about broken interlocks?
5. If it worked, open up and look at the screenshot. Is it of the first user's desktop?

[bamburg dunes]

If anyone has the time, could you maybe check to see if Apache is up to version 2? That would be sweet if it was.
I read the specs for Panther server adn it mentioed Samba 3, has that filtered down to the client version?

Someone mentioend earlier how 10.2 leaves .ds_store files on shares such as on a windows machine, there's a way to prevent this. I haven't tried it yet but can be done.

Cheers for the reports. Good work!!!!

[Moose]

Originally posted by SOLIDAge:
and...why is it pirated?

Read the Panther EULA and your Apple NDA (if you even have one, which is doubtful). If you are under NDA, then you are not to distribute Panther to anyone at all, unless they are both under NDA with you, and they have a need to use it. Not want. Need. This includes immediate family. If you are not under NDA with Apple and have not received Panther from Apple, then you are not licensed to use the software.

anyway, it was installed because she really needed the quick user feature since her and my sister use it.

Ethical (NDA/software licensing) considerations aside, there's no way in hell I'd consider putting a pre-release operating system on a not-technically-inclined family member's computer. This OS is not finished. There are serious bugs--the most serious ones I've seen are critical security flaws with the Multiple Users functionality.

One more time, boys and girls: The Panther Developer Preview SHOULD NOT be installed on "production" machines for day-to-day usage, because you WILL lose data, either from a panic, or from some nasty hidden bug that eats your files or filesystem. It is not a matter of "if," but, instead, a matter of "when."

[Gee4orce]

Originally posted by Mithras:


Someone with Panther, can you:

1. install a VNC server app (here)
2. run it under one account
3. Switch to a different user
4. From another computer, run a VNC client (here), and try to get the first user's desktop?

Good thinking ! And maybe Apple Remote Desktop (which sounds like it's bundled now) will do this as well or instead ?!

[:haripu:]

I have just installed the Panther preview and I am blown away! The speed, the functionality!

However, its looks are not consistant anymore, it feels more like three different themes thrown together: Aqua, Metal and a totally new one for the title-bars.

Hope they do some serious design work on that until they release it. Love the new tabs, by the way.

[MasonMcD]

Originally posted by Mithras:
I'm --VERY-- interested to see an answer to this question:

The posts about iTunes sharing indicate that under Fast User Switching, your apps continue to run even when you've switched users. (i.e., they're not 'suspended', they run normally.)

Someone with Panther, can you:

1. install a VNC server app (here)
2. run it under one account
3. Switch to a different user
4. From another computer, run a VNC client (here), and try to get the first user's desktop?

If that works, it means you can have multiple simultaneous GUI users, which will absolutely rock.

But it may be that the API that the VNC server uses has changed in Panther, in which case this will be an unresolved question.

One other way to address the same question is this:
1. Log in as one user. Open some apps, whatever.
2. Switch to a different user, with a recognizably different background, etc.
3. From the same or different computer, SSH in as the first user. Type 'screencapture /Users/Shared/mydesk.pdf'
4. Does screencapture work, or does it complain about broken interlocks?
5. If it worked, open up and look at the screenshot. Is it of the first user's desktop?

Regarding VNC, no, you cannot. VNC scrapes the screen, so you are just looking at user2.

Not sure about the second item, but I suspect similar to the first.

[RooneyX]

Originally posted by Moose:


One more time, boys and girls: The Panther Developer Preview SHOULD NOT be installed on "production" machines for day-to-day usage, because you WILL lose data, either from a panic, or from some nasty hidden bug that eats your files or filesystem. It is not a matter of "if," but, instead, a matter of "when." [/B]

Oh shut up. Apple probably enjoys the leakage now, like posting the G5 specs. Has anyone noticed their stock has shot up this week since they got tongues waggling?

The more people speak, the better for Apple as a business and the more free promotion it is. You can only install OSX on a Mac anyway so it's not near the kind of loss that software companies experience on the PC. And pirated betas are a zero loss, they cost nothing to the people who recieved them in the first place.

BTW, I am not downloading and installing any beta OS.

[Pierre B.]

I don't know if this has already been posted, but could someone comment on OpenGL in Panther? In what version is it? Is there some improvement in game performance?

Concerning DVD player: the decoding is still done in CPU or has enabled GPU decoding (for supported cards obviously)? What is the typical CPU usage for DVD player?

[jokell82]

Originally posted by RooneyX:
Oh shut up. Apple probably enjoys the leakage now, like posting the G5 specs. Has anyone noticed their stock has shot up this week since they got tongues waggling?

The more people speak, the better for Apple as a business and the more free promotion it is. You can only install OSX on a Mac anyway so it's not near the kind of loss that software companies experience on the PC. And pirated betas are a zero loss, they cost nothing to the people who recieved them in the first place.

BTW, I am not downloading and installing any beta OS.

Actually, he's right. Regardless of how you get Panther, it should not be installed on a machine that you need to be up 100%. There is a very good possibility that something will go wrong and you could lose lots of data. This is for testing only, not for full time use... And installing it for other people who may not be technically savvy is just asking for something disasterous to happen.

And that has nothing to do with whether or not you pirated the software. That's a completely different issue.

[Moose]

Originally posted by RooneyX:
Oh shut up. Apple probably enjoys the leakage now, like posting the G5 specs. Has anyone noticed their stock has shot up this week since they got tongues waggling?

Apple does not, in fact, enjoy leakage. If they did, they wouldn't be sending out C&Ds like they were scrips for Claritin. Also, AAPL hasn't been where it opened on Monday since early Tuesday morning. But don't let those pesky facts and figures distract you.

The more people speak, the better for Apple as a business and the more free promotion it is.

When a pre-release build of Panther that Johnny Earlyteen downloaded and installed on the Family iMac to play around with eats data, who's he going to blame? (Hint: Not himself.) Who are his parents going to blame? (Hopefully him, but who knows?)

And pirated betas are a zero loss, they cost nothing to the people who recieved them in the first place.

You mean WWDC attendance is free? And so is ADC Select/Premiere membership? Astounding! I wish somebody had told me before I spent all that money.

BTW, I am not downloading and installing any beta OS.

Good for you. That just means that you happen not to suffer from that particular bit of retardation. But attempting to rationalize their behavior doesn't help things by any means.

[ambush]

Originally posted by Pierre B.:
I don't know if this has already been posted, but could someone comment on OpenGL in Panther? In what version is it? Is there some improvements in game performance?

Concerning DVD player: the decoding is still done in CPU or has enabled GPU decoding (for supported cards obviously)? What is the typical CPU usage for DVD player?

I use Panther and the New Quake3 AltiVec to play Quake3: TrueCombat and I'm very pleased with the FPS I get at medium quality! At last, it's playable!

[jimcpherson]

Sorry if this a repeat question, but how does Expos� perform on a dual monitor setup?