[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by olePigeon

Are you going to argue that the "Latino Music" section is racist, too?

To be fair, those aren't really comparable. "Latino music" refers a particular geographic area with common cultural traits, whereas "black music" just refers to skin color.

[RAILhead]

No, Latino music is Mexican music to most people, or, the music Mexicans listen to.

Black music is music black people (or yakoos) listen to.

I listen to white male music, personally.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by RAILhead

No, Latino music is Mexican music to most people, or, the music Mexicans listen to.

And is "Mexico" a) a geographic area with a culture, or b) a color?

[RAILhead]

Doesn't everyone know Mexicans are brown? But that's not my point, the terms "Latino" and "Black" supersede geographic or color definitions. They're merely associations.

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

You are right, although this is hardly a German word.
It's a Germanized English word.

So?
An Eritrean woman also proposed to use the term Afrodeutscher. It doesn't roll off the tongue so easily, though

[Chuckit]

Yes, Mexicans are brown, but for some reason we don't call it "brown music." Perhaps because lots of other people are brown as well, and it would be inaccurate, while it is accurate to say that Latin music comes from Latin America.

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

And is "Mexico" a) a geographic area with a culture, or b) a color?

Geography isn't convenient enough to group cultures spanning from America, Haiti, Africa, and others.

Merriachi originated in Mexico. Arguably, modern Mexican music was infulenced by German immigrants, but regardless, there's only one geographical region when considering "Latino music."

Jazz is a cultural melting pot spanning different continents. The only trait common to the people who cultivated it is the color of their skin. Otherwise, their cultures are completely different.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by OreoCookie

So?
An Eritrean woman also proposed to use the term Afrodeutscher. It doesn't roll off the tongue so easily, though

Uhm, yeah, that's plain dumb. Except if it's a black guy in Bavarian Lederhosen.

African-Americans are kind of their own race, unlike Africans that immigrated to Europe or somewhere else.

-t

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

Uhm, yeah, that's plain dumb. Except if it's a black guy in Bavarian Lederhosen.

Hey, don't blame me! I asked her to make up a better term and this is what she proposed …

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by OreoCookie

Hey, don't blame me! I asked her to make up a better term and this is what she proposed …

I think we should call them Schwarzkopf.



Uhm, no, wait, nevermind.

-t

[Kerrigan]

More European racism

The Sun Online - Football: Nazty

[Mastrap]

Yeah, some of the Croatian fans are real idiots.

[Doofy]

Awww, come on. I want to see pics of the rest of the store. I bet there's that one section of "black music" and nineteen sections of "Hasselhoff".

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

More European racism

Croatia is just barely Europe. Thy are not part of the EU.

-t

[Kerrigan]

Canada and US should join the EU, being the "Daughters of Europe" and all.

[macintologist]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

Everybody is of African descent.

Exactly. Just shows how retarded the whole concept of "race" is. Race is just a social construct, nothing more.

[Kerrigan]

Well, the "black" race strongly correlates to incidents of black skin, so to say that it doesn't have some biological and genetic underpinnings is dishonest.

[Kevin]

If you have to think about it before getting offended, it's probably not racist.

People have been "trained" to look for things to be offended by in the past few decades.

Sad.

[PB2K]

this thread is started by a retard, and kevin's last post is very true

[Kr0nos]

It's a MARKETING TERM!! Hello!

These people weren't trying to come up with a scientific or politically correct description, they were simply trying to describe a certain "genre" in order to make it into a more easily recognizable product! Just like "Metal", "Grunge", "Classical" etc.

[Allenzi35]

Originally Posted by RAILhead

No, Latino music is Mexican music to most people, or, the music Mexicans listen to.

Black music is music black people (or yakoos) listen to.

I listen to white male music, personally.

What exactly is a "yakoo"?

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Kr0nos

Just like "Metal"

Racist! The Metal Nation demands that you retract your bigoted remarks immediately!

[Y3a]

I can hear Long John Baldry singing "Don't try to lay no boogie-woogie on the king of rock n roll".

[RAILhead]

Originally Posted by Allenzi35

What exactly is a "yakoo"?

A white person that likes to think they're black by listening to "black music," dressing like "blacks," talking like "blacks," etc.

[Dakar]

I thought that was a 'Wigger'

[residentEvil]

yeah, wigger.

[RAILhead]

Originally Posted by Dakar

I thought that was a 'Wigger'

Same thing.

I guess most of you kiddos are too young to remember SNL when Eddie Murphy was part of the crew.

[Dakar]

Oh yeah...

Well consider wigger the modernized version.

[Daracle]

A friend of mine who went there a few years back (he is Malado) noticed this too and was one of the first things he mentioned when we discussed his trip.

[macintologist]

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

Well, the "black" race strongly correlates to incidents of black skin, so to say that it doesn't have some biological and genetic underpinnings is dishonest.

Except if you look at someone who calls themselves black, you'll see that their skin isn't actually very black at all.

[PB2K]

the people who are offended by "black" are referring to "white" people as well, what a paradox.

by this regognition i am white. i have no idea to name myself otherwise if i had to refer to my color of skin. fortunately, no one is interested in my color of skin, except when i visit a developing country, then suddenly some local people call me a white man. When (occasionally) told "you are a white man", i usually tell them i am not used to being called white, but like to be referred to by my first name.

[CleoW]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

I think the point is that "black music" is not really a specific genre as much as a reference to who the music is marketed toward (somewhat like if the reggae section were marked "pothead music"). The actual genres it's meant to comprise are almost certainly hip-hop and R&B.

Really now? I don't even think you can say who 'it is marketed to'. In America, and probably most certainly some parts of Europe, the primary consumers of hip hop/rap and R&B are white teens.

[CleoW]

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

Well, the "black" race strongly correlates to incidents of black skin, so to say that it doesn't have some biological and genetic underpinnings is dishonest.

Yes, in as far as physical characteristics are herited, but the fact is that the concept of race lumps groups of people that are more genetically dissimilar to each other than to another group of a different 'race'.

[CleoW]

Originally Posted by RAILhead

Doesn't everyone know Mexicans are brown?

Many Mexicans are brown, however, some are white; these are unmixed descendants of the European settlers.

[Pfefferkuchen]

Originally Posted by imitchellg5 

This seems like it should be in the politics forum... Europe is very racist, especially in former Nazi held countries, or those that were influenced by the Nazis... Poland, Germany, Holland.

LOOOOOL

Except that europe is the home to most of the immigrants in the world.
Except that Europe is more multicultural than any place in the world etc, etc..
Germany is the second biggest immigration country after the US and has been that since the 60s.

Honestly: Some of you guys have a pretty weird view on things.
Im afro german myself btw.
Europe is certainly more tolerant than most other places on this planet, if not all.

[Pfefferkuchen]

Here are the websites of some black german musicians if anyone is interested.


From Frankfurt:

T O N E - Reimroboter

Moses Pelham - Geteiltes Leid 2

Jonesmann.de

D-FLAME.DE - FLAME FM

GLASHAUS "DREI"



From Mannheim:

Xavier Naidoo | Telegramm f�r X

S�hne Mannheims - Mein Name ist Mensch



From Berlin:

M A S S I V 65

Seeed - Die offizielle Homepage der Berliner

Joy Denalane

/// Bintia ///

G.B.Z. - IMPERIUM | www.GBZ-IMP.com | OFFIZIELLE G.B.Z. SEITE #

kalusha.com | the official website

CHIMA - Im Rahmen der M�glichkeiten

--- www.dj-desue.de --- The Official Website of DJ DESUE ---

fourmusicparty



From Heidelberg:

MC TORCH


From Cologne:

OLLI BANJO - Offizielle deutsche Homepage


From Stuttgart:

Afrob.de

MAX HERRE


From Hamburg:

Deluxe Records

Denyo




Jut to give some exmaples ...

[Pfefferkuchen]

doublepost

[Pfefferkuchen]

Originally Posted by what_the_heck 

I think we should call them Schwarzkopf.

Yep and we call you dumbass

[Atomic Rooster]

Probably the most racist country I know is Amerika.

[mabaker]

I live in Germany and must say the German society is very delicate and sensitive as far as racism is concerned - the word "black music" is in no way intended to be used in a derogatory way. It's simply a category used in a store to, yes, categorize music genres.

And about Poland - it's indeed somewhat xenophobic country but there are exceptions. Young Polish ppl are very open minded, intelligent and are up there with the rest of the EU in case of liberal thinking.

[Jawbone54]

Originally Posted by Atomic Rooster 

Probably the most racist country I know is Amerika.

America is incredibly racially senstive...unless you're white. If you're white, it is permissable for any aspect of your culture and characteristics to be made fun of. If you're a minority of any kind, you are strictly off limits.

It's gotten to the point that whites have been made to feel guilty for being white, and are constantly guarding every single word that comes out of their mouth in order to not be offensive.

I understand being conscious of what you say. I agree that racism is a problem, but racism against whites is totally ignored.

[aristotles]

Originally Posted by macintologist 

A friend of mine was in Germany and took a picture of this:

Uh, no. you just outed yourself as a racist with your fake righteous indignation. You are preoccupied with the colour of a person's skin and racism.

There might be some pockets of racism in Europe but the USA is the country with the biggest problem with racism.


I'm a Canadian who immigrated from Finland with my family as an infant which means I'm white. When I see a girl on the street that I think is hot, I'm not thinking that she is white or Asian or of African decent but that she is a hottie. Get over yourself and the race issues already. There is only one race, the human race.

In Canada, people of different racial backgrounds dating is a non-issue. Nobody bats an eyelash over it.

Why is it that these types of threads are usually started by white guys from cultures with a bad history of racism? Hmmm....

[aristotles]

Originally Posted by Jawbone54 

America is incredibly racially senstive...unless you're white. If you're white, it is permissable for any aspect of your culture and characteristics to be made fun of. If you're a minority of any kind, you are strictly off limits.

It's gotten to the point that whites have been made to feel guilty for being white, and are constantly guarding every single word that comes out of their mouth in order to not be offensive.

I understand being conscious of what you say. I agree that racism is a problem, but racism against whites is totally ignored.

Listen, if someone says something that you find offensive, call them on it. If they don't stop, give them the finger and tell them to f*ck off and move on. If you don't raise the issue, it will not go away. Americans need to face this racist crap head on and move with their lives.

[aristotles]

Originally Posted by mabaker 

I live in Germany and must say the German society is very delicate and sensitive as far as racism is concerned - the word "black music" is in no way intended to be used in a derogatory way. It's simply a category used in a store to, yes, categorize music genres.

This is an example of a cultural misunderstanding and a bit of arrogance on the part of the OP. It is arrogant to assume that everyone will use the same terms as Americans.

[aristotles]

Originally Posted by Daracle 

A friend of mine who went there a few years back (he is Malado) noticed this too and was one of the first things he mentioned when we discussed his trip.

Hopefully, your friend has done additional traveling since then and come to understand that other countries have different cultures and because of this, they do not conform to North American norms. They are not being racist.

[TheWOAT]

Mariah Carey = Her music sucks though.

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by aristotles 

I'm a Canadian who immigrated from Finland with my family as an infant which means I'm white. When I see a girl on the street that I think is hot, I'm not thinking that she is white or Asian or of African decent but that she is a hottie. Get over yourself and the race issues already. There is only one race, the human race.

In Canada, people of different racial backgrounds dating is a non-issue. Nobody bats an eyelash over it.

What does that have to do with the sign? Or with dating in Canada?

[aristotles]

Originally Posted by OreoCookie 

What does that have to do with the sign? Or with dating in Canada?

It has everything to do with people not thinking racially but rather seeing people as people.

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by aristotles 

It has everything to do with people not thinking racially but rather seeing people as people.

So because Black Music alludes to skin color, Germans don't see people as people?

[dcolton]

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - - 

The older generations usually are. Duh.

The older generations are the ones running the nation and corporations...no?