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Jun 26, 2017, 12:24 PM
 
NY Times and others have thrown some cold water on the story. The line is Obama knew and said/did nothing because Hillary was going to win in a landslide.
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Jun 27, 2017, 02:07 PM
 
Has Project Veritas stuck in the wooden stake? CNN producer admits the story is "could be bull $h!t" and if there was anything it would have been leaked before the election.
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Jun 27, 2017, 02:43 PM
 
Circa News reports Flynn probe was payback for his support of a female agent's EEOC complaint against McCabe.

http://circa.com/politics/accountabi...g-russia-probe

The FBI launched a criminal probe against former Trump National Security Adviser Michael Flynn two years after the retired Army general roiled the bureau’s leadership by intervening on behalf of a decorated counterterrorism agent who accused now-Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe and other top officials of sexual discrimination, according to documents and interviews.
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Part II. Van Jones says the Russia story is a "nothing burger"
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Jul 3, 2017, 12:00 AM
 
So, Tait...

Some guy wrote names on a piece of paper. This is super-duper definitive somehow?
     
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Jul 3, 2017, 11:47 AM
 
Chongo: I say Jesus is a nothing burger, because there is at least as much evidence for Russian interference at the moment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia...ates_elections ) as there is in immaculate conception and a host of claims your bible makes.

Perhaps the problem is that you are comfortable with a faith-based approach to what is and isn't factual?

Granted, what is and isn't factual regarding this case is subject to change pending the completion of the investigation, but even if the investigation turns up nothing it will have been predicated on a little more than some ancient text making supernatural claims.
     
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Jul 3, 2017, 12:06 PM
 
The thing is, what probably happened is money laundering, and they got intel from shady sources.

Those aren't great things, but it's not COLLUSION! TREASON! AUUUUUUUUUGH! AUGGH! AUGGH!
     
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
The thing is, what probably happened is money laundering, and they got intel from shady sources.

Those aren't great things, but it's not COLLUSION! TREASON! AUUUUUUUUUGH! AUGGH! AUGGH!

Why does it have to be anything right now? We all know very little by design, but we won't have to speculate forever.
     
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Why am I being asked as opposed to the people lodging charges of treason?
     
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
Why am I being asked as opposed to the people lodging charges of treason?
I'm not sure who you are claiming is lodging charges of treason (I'm not), I haven't been paying super close attention to this thread, but I will say that there is certainly a lot of smoke and clear inappropriate behavior of Trump's that occurred (e.g. asking that Flynn be let off because he's a "good guy"). I'm not yet going as far as to use the word treasonous, but can we agree on "inappropriate", for now?
     
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Jul 3, 2017, 01:51 PM
 
According to the numerous articles posted by the WAPO and other outlets, Obama knew prior to the election, and did nothing. If Obama and the "17 agencies" had "the goods" on Trump, you know it would have been leaked to the LWMSM
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Jul 3, 2017, 02:35 PM
 
Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
Why does it have to be anything right now? We all know very little by design, but we won't have to speculate forever.
When there is little to know, you will know little. Kinda follows

CNN has pretty much admitted the whole thing is bullshit, but hey their ratings are higher than ever so your wishful ignorance is their big payday.
     
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At the end of Trump's 4 years (he won't run for re-election) I fully expect the LW partisans to be completely insane, unable to fathom how he made it all the way through.
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Originally Posted by Snow-i View Post
When there is little to know, you will know little. Kinda follows

CNN has pretty much admitted the whole thing is bullshit, but hey their ratings are higher than ever so your wishful ignorance is their big payday.

Why should I care about CNN (which I don't pay attention to so I can't comment on) when there is the NSA, CIA, and FBI?
     
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
At the end of Trump's 4 years (he won't run for re-election) I fully expect the LW partisans to be completely insane, unable to fathom how he made it all the way through.
Trump has already filed for 2020. He did this within hours of taking the oath of office.
Pundits are complaining that he held the first fundraiser at a Trump hotel.

Sounds like he has plans for more than one term.
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I know what he's saying now, that's only prudent (for him and the party). What I'm saying is, and this is just my gut feeling, when it comes time to run again, he won't.
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WHAT! And make a liar out of the Simpsons?

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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
I'm not sure who you are claiming is lodging charges of treason (I'm not), I haven't been paying super close attention to this thread, but I will say that there is certainly a lot of smoke and clear inappropriate behavior of Trump's that occurred (e.g. asking that Flynn be let off because he's a "good guy"). I'm not yet going as far as to use the word treasonous, but can we agree on "inappropriate", for now?
I'm fine with the word "inappropriate", however will note the yawning chasm between that and the words "treason", "collusion", "obstruction" and even "criminal".

I'm not accusing you of using these terms, but they've all been part of the greater discussion.
     
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
I'm fine with the word "inappropriate", however will note the yawning chasm between that and the words "treason", "collusion", "obstruction" and even "criminal".

I'm not accusing you of using these terms, but they've all been part of the greater discussion.

Fair enough. To that I would simply say that while it is reasonable to not use those terms, it is also reasonable to not call it a "nothing burger" until the investigation is complete and made public. Agree?
     
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Jul 4, 2017, 01:13 PM
 
I already predicted the thingness of the burger.

Money laundering, and getting intel from shady sources.
     
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I still want to know why someone typing names on a piece of paper is a smoking gun.
     
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
I already predicted the thingness of the burger.

Money laundering, and getting intel from shady sources.
If true, it would have been leaked prior to the election.
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Jul 4, 2017, 01:52 PM
 
This guy that voted to impeach Clinton doesn't think Russia is a nothing burger:

https://twitter.com/camanpour/status/881940243041079298
     
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CNN in overdrive.
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"A mysterious IT specialist, who goes by the name The Forensicator, published a detailed report that appears to disprove the theory that the DNC was hacked by Russia."

https://theforensicator.wordpress.co...data-analysis/
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017...ly-not-hacked/
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Is it time yet?

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I know I should be posting the current news since its blowing up, but at a month and half behind on posting stuff it'd feel like cheating skipping ahead.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
I know I should be posting the current news since its blowing up, but at a month and half behind on posting stuff it'd feel like cheating skipping ahead.
A meeting with someone who claimed to have dirt on Hillary?
It turns out the lawyer in question has ties to Fusion GPS, the Democrat opposition reasearch firm that created the discredited wee wee dossier.
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Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
A meeting with someone who claimed to have dirt on Hillary?
It turns out the lawyer in question has ties to Fusion GPS, the Democrat opposition reasearch firm that created the discredited wee wee dossier.

Your stance (as well as CTP's and Badkosh's) makes absolutely no sense. I mean NONE.

You've acknowledged in the past that you do not trust politicians, correct? Well then, why on earth would you trust Trump's camp to not do something questionable? I guess your absolutism is your way of sticking it to CNN, but the possibility of something troublesome existing (before investigations are complete) exists regardless of how loud and obnoxious CNN is behaving.

Just have good instincts that tell you that there is nothing here? Can you please remind us where you were/are at with:

- Iraq being a dead end
- Obama's birth certificate
- man made climate change being a thing that is real
- an assortment of weird conspiracy theories we could drudge up

My point is that I don't understand why you seem to feel that we should be persuaded by your judgment while the investigation is still ongoing.

Again, I'm not claiming that I know what did or did not happen either, but the difference between us is that you seem so irrationally certain that dead horses are being beaten.
     
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Jul 11, 2017, 10:56 AM
 
I NEVER SAID I TRUSTED TRUMP 100%. Where in your mind..........oh never mind.
Since YOU brought up not trusting politicians, why wouldn't DEMOCRATS try to make it a RUSSIAN CONNECTION thing, after the DNC's emails were taken and given to Wiki et al as a smoke screen? Did you even READ any of the links? The emails left on a thumb drive not across TCP/IP.

If they had found anything the lefties would have leaked to the world in 4 nanoseconds. Keep wringing your hands.
     
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Junior just posted the receipts. Wow.
     
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
Your stance (as well as CTP's and Badkosh's) makes absolutely no sense. I mean NONE.

You've acknowledged in the past that you do not trust politicians, correct? Well then, why on earth would you trust Trump's camp to not do something questionable? I guess your absolutism is your way of sticking it to CNN, but the possibility of something troublesome existing (before investigations are complete) exists regardless of how loud and obnoxious CNN is behaving.

Just have good instincts that tell you that there is nothing here? Can you please remind us where you were/are at with:

- Iraq being a dead end
- Obama's birth certificate
- man made climate change being a thing that is real
- an assortment of weird conspiracy theories we could drudge up

My point is that I don't understand why you seem to feel that we should be persuaded by your judgment while the investigation is still ongoing.

Again, I'm not claiming that I know what did or did not happen either, but the difference between us is that you seem so irrationally certain that dead horses are being beaten.
The "Russia investigation" has been on for almost a year. Need I post the montage of (D) members of the House and Senate acknowledging there is no eveidence?
We do know that Obama was informed of "efforts to influence the election" in 08/16 and he chose to do nothing.
You know had there been anything showing Trump was coordinating with Puitin it would have been all over the news then.

-Iraq being a dead end -Hillary believed, don't you? The dead end is a result of Obama pulling troops too soon, which W warned of.

- Obama's birth certificate- too many questions, including his grandmother saying he was born in Kenya. Moot at this point anyway.


- man made climate change being a thing that is real. - Man made?. No. As I have posted, in the 70's we being taught the earth was heading into and ice age. The Wikileaks emails show there was collusion(!!!!!!) to fudge numbers to push the warming agenda. Now that the warming trend has slowed, there has been a switch to "climate change". We have a new monkey wrench, I'm sure you'll say they are paid by "Big Oil and/or the Koch Brothers. http://www.wnd.com/2017/07/study-blo...dVoGISvXCbE.99

- an assortment of weird conspiracy theories we could drudge up. - Rachel Maddow has wrestled the crown from Alex Jones as King of the Conspiracy Theries.
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Junior just posted the receipts. Wow.
It looks like someone was promising dirt on illegal contributions to the Clinton campaign.
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Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
If they had found anything the lefties would have leaked to the world in 4 nanoseconds. Keep wringing your hands.
I agree that, at least, the Clintons are pretty cut-throat, but I don get the relevance.
     
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I have to say, admitted attempted collusion with the Russians by a Trump family member is more than I expected from this thread.
     
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I NEVER SAID I TRUSTED TRUMP 100%. Where in your mind..........oh never mind.
Since YOU brought up not trusting politicians, why wouldn't DEMOCRATS try to make it a RUSSIAN CONNECTION thing, after the DNC's emails were taken and given to Wiki et al as a smoke screen? Did you even READ any of the links? The emails left on a thumb drive not across TCP/IP.

If they had found anything the lefties would have leaked to the world in 4 nanoseconds. Keep wringing your hands.

Where in my post did I say anything about Democrats? Why does this have to be deflected to be about Democrats? You guys HATED, I mean HATED it when during Obama's term people on the left would say "but Bush". What goes around comes around?

But if it makes you feel better, sure, I acknowledge that Democrats could be involved in shit with Russia too.

Are you getting any closer to there being a day when somebody can say something about the right without you having to make a knee jerk defence for the right or attack on the left?

That would be lovely, because we have a lot of work to do as a country, and we aren't going to get anywhere while stuck in stupid left vs. right party politics.

I don't know what happened with Russia, none of us do, but it has underscored a fundamental mistrust of authority, a broken relationship with the media, an issue that we haven't paid enough attention to (cybersecurity), a certain comfort with baldfaced lies and with defending them (and compounding the problem by countering them with new lies, in some cases).

It's starting to look like we are headed towards anarchy. But go ahead and stick to your evil Democrats schtick, because of course as long as Democrats don't get elected everything will be hunky dory?
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
I have to say, admitted attempted collusion with the Russians by a Trump family member is more than I expected from this thread.
Not the alleged collusion you were looking for? This is not the "Trump and Putin coordinate release of emails to damage Hillary" collusion the LWNSM has been drooling about.

BTW, what was the collusion that resulted of the meeting? Did Obama know? If he did, he would have leaked it to the LWMSM in a heartbeat.
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Not the alleged collusion you were looking for?
What does this even mean?

Did Obama know? If he did, he would have leaked it to the LWMSM in a heartbeat.
Signs you're losing it: You bring up Obama in reference to a Trump meeting that had nothing to do with him.
     
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At this point, those who are reporting on said emails have not actually read them.
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Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
Not the alleged collusion you were looking for? This is not the "Trump and Putin coordinate release of emails to damage Hillary" collusion the LWNSM has been drooling about.

BTW, what was the collusion that resulted of the meeting? Did Obama know? If he did, he would have leaked it to the LWMSM in a heartbeat.
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What does this even mean?


Signs you're losing it: You bring up Obama in reference to a Trump meeting that had nothing to do with him.
Signs you've lost it. This was about alledged collusion with Russia. Remember, the NY Times and others reported that Obama was briefed on the alleged meddling efforts in 08/16, a month after this meeting took place.
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Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
The "Russia investigation" has been on for almost a year. Need I post the montage of (D) members of the House and Senate acknowledging there is no eveidence?
We do know that Obama was informed of "efforts to influence the election" in 08/16 and he chose to do nothing.
You know had there been anything showing Trump was coordinating with Puitin it would have been all over the news then.

-Iraq being a dead end -Hillary believed, don't you? The dead end is a result of Obama pulling troops too soon, which W warned of.

- Obama's birth certificate- too many questions, including his grandmother saying he was born in Kenya. Moot at this point anyway.


- man made climate change being a thing that is real. - Man made?. No. As I have posted, in the 70's we being taught the earth was heading into and ice age. The Wikileaks emails show there was collusion(!!!!!!) to fudge numbers to push the warming agenda. Now that the warming trend has slowed, there has been a switch to "climate change". We have a new monkey wrench, I'm sure you'll say they are paid by "Big Oil and/or the Koch Brothers. http://www.wnd.com/2017/07/study-blo...dVoGISvXCbE.99

- an assortment of weird conspiracy theories we could drudge up. - Rachel Maddow has wrestled the crown from Alex Jones as King of the Conspiracy Theries.


All I want know is (other than religious ones) which authorities do you trust and why? I don't mean which news sources, but which institutions? Cause:

- scientists: evidently not
- FBI/CIA/NSA: evidently not
- various government agencies including the state of Hawaii: evidently not

What remains, and why do you choose to hold these authorities in such high regard?
     
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I'm not sure I follow. Are you claiming Obama knew about this meeting?

Edit: If he did know does that somehow change Juniors attempt?
     
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The emails were NOT HACKED. They were downloaded onto a flash drive and walked out the door of the DNC by someone who just might be dead.
https://theforensicator.wordpress.co...data-analysis/

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017...ly-not-hacked/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...acked-russians

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/...gc&sh=21f2a624

Ask yourself WHY the DNC has refused to turn over the server for investigation.
Perhaps it would show NO HACKING evidence, but have much incriminating evidence on it.
     
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Meme time!

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I'm not sure I follow. Are you claiming Obama knew about this meeting?

Edit: If he did know does that somehow change Juniors attempt?
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According to ubiquitous clandestine unarmed anonymous sources, he did.

No. Could be he was hoping there was dirt on the Ukraine colluding with HRC, or pay for play involving Bubba and the Foundation.

BTW even if there is proof, can you tell me what law was broken?
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According to ubiquitous clandestine unarmed anonymous sources, he did.
Youll need to post receipts that Obama knew about this meeting.

BTW even if there is proof, can you tell me what law was broken?
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Jul 11, 2017, 05:21 PM
 
The Clintons sold themselves to the Chinese in 1996.
"The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church" Saint Tertullian, 197 AD
     
 
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