[Salty]

Not for gays sadly.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by mrtew 

How are you going to stop it without prosecuting it?

Are you really suggesting that parents as a whole are so inept that they can't accomplish anything without the help of a district attorney? If so, maybe we should work on that first.

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by mrtew 

If some dude sends some girl a picture of his dick without her permission then she's now possessing child pornography. Are you SURE that it's always between "consenting" individuals?

You keep on constructing hypothetical situations until something sticks or what?
You don't need consent of the person to receive it, it's about having consent to take the picture. Everybody can receive nasty e-mails without having asked for it -- that doesn't make you a criminal.

Originally Posted by mrtew 

What if 25 guys do it and her Dad finds the phone. He can't call the police and do anything? They're not sex offenders? What if it was your daughter? Are you sure it's so cool?

If 25 guys do it, then the crime is not child pornography but stalking.

Originally Posted by mrtew 

What if she tells everyone in the school to send her pictures of their dicks and she starts passing them around to all her friends on CD rom? Everyone is 16. Is it still cool? What if she sells them? Still cool? What if she sells them to 18 year olds once she turns 18?

None of this is an example of pedophilia. Or of child pornography (with the exception of selling the pics, but this one is really far fetched). Cool? Nope, it's a bad prank.

The cases here are very concrete: 2 people took pictures of themselves and sent them to a small group of friends. These friends did not sell the pictures or blackmail them. In some cases, they didn't even share the pictures with anyone but the two people who are on the picture. Why should they be charged with anything? Just because they could end up on the internet? Or the two could sell them for money?

Originally Posted by mrtew 

How are you going to stop it without prosecuting it? I agree that they shouldn't be put on the same lists with actual child molesters though. Maybe just charge them with juvenile indecency and throw them in juvy for a week.

Nobody says we should stop prosecuting abuse of children. This simply isn't abuse of children. They haven't done anything wrong either (I'm talking about the cases described in the article, not some hypothetical scenario).

Originally Posted by mrtew 

Where do you think that this sending of naked photos is leading? It's leading up to sex. Where do you think teen sex leads? To teen pregnancy. How can you not see the connection? At all?

It doesn't lead to more sex, people are simply using the new technological possibilities. Teen pregnancies are mostly due to lack of contraception and bad knowledge about sex.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

Used to be 14. Now it's 16.

Oops. I stand corrected.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally Posted by mrtew 

you've heard of the teen pregnancy problem haven't you?

Oddly, that was a real problem LONG before kids ever had the ability to take photographs with their cellphones (or even HAD cellphones, for that matter).

Teen pregnancy is as much a problem of inept parents keeping their children willfully ignorant about responsible sex and contraception, as anything else.

Cellphones have *very* little to do with it.

[mrtew]

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot 

Oddly, that was a real problem LONG before kids ever had the ability to take photographs with their cellphones (or even HAD cellphones, for that matter). Teen pregnancy is as much a problem of inept parents keeping their children willfully ignorant about responsible sex and contraception, as anything else. Cellphones have *very* little to do with it.

I didn't mean that cellphones lead to sex, I meant that naked pictures do! Remember 20 years ago? I do. It was really hard to even TAKE naked pictures at all! You had to either have your own darkroom or know of some place that would develop them for you and that was really hard to find! I mean really hard. In college I never found one and certainly couldn't do it at school. If you just put them thru at the drugstore they would call the cops. I'm not even talking about pictures of kids... any nude pictures. I never did get the naked pictures I shot developed!

Who's to say there's no connection between the kids freely taking naked pictures of themselves and the hugely increased teen sex/pregnancy? It's pretty hilarious that you guys are trying so hard to pretend that there's no way there could be any connection! I went to public highschool in the 80's and there were NO pregnancies at my school that I ever heard of. Is that how it is now? Is ignorance about contraception really THAT much greater today? Or is the let-them-do-whatever-they-want attitude that you see on this board more responsible? I know I'd be about 100x more likely to have sex with someone if they sent me naked pictures of themself!

[Chuckit]

Um, my mom went to a public high school quite a bit earlier than that and there were teen pregnancies even back then. Maybe people at your school were just discreet.

Teenagers have been having sex for a very long time. It's a biological need, not something invented by the cell phone industry.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally Posted by mrtew 

I didn't mean that cellphones lead to sex, I meant that naked pictures do! Remember 20 years ago? I do. It was really hard to even TAKE naked pictures at all!

I remember twenty years ago, too. In fact, I was a teenager then.

And let me tell you, people were having PLENTY of sex back then - we even had nude pictures and pornography back then! Not of ourselves, but wow! Imagine that!

And yes, people got pregnant, too! Even though none of us had cellphones! Most of us didn't even have COMPUTERS OMG!

Originally Posted by mrtew 

I never did get the naked pictures I shot developed!

In other words, the reason you're up in arms about this is because you somehow imagine you can protect kids today from doing EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID WHEN YOU WERE A KID but simply didn't have the guts to follow through on back then!



This reminds me of all those American parents at our school (an international school) who were REALLY up for hardcore punishment for drinking and smoking - because they remembered exactly why it was a bad idea. But they conveniently forgot that their own parents' hard line only ENCOURAGED them to go on binges.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by mrtew 

Remember 20 years ago? I do. It was really hard to even TAKE naked pictures at all! You had to either have your own darkroom or know of some place that would develop them for you and that was really hard to find! I mean really hard.

I remember taking nekked pics 20 years ago on a Kodak instant camera. It really wasn't that hard at all.

[Oisín]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

I remember taking nekked pics 20 years ago on a Kodak instant camera. It really wasn't that hard at all.

Yeah, me too.

[Laminar]

Originally Posted by Oisín 

Yeah, me too.

That would have made you...what...5 or 6?

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Laminar 

That would have made you...what...5 or 6?

Bleedin' nora! Call the Feds!

[Oisín]

Originally Posted by Laminar 

That would have made you...what...5 or 6?

Your point? Stop ruining my jokes!

[calverson]

Apparently, it was your point, Oisín.

[andi*pandi]

this whole issue is silly.

[calverson]

But is the whole point silly?

[mrtew]

Thousands of photos of underage teenagers freely being exchanged over cellphones and the internet is silly or the legal system grappling with how to deal with it is silly?

[LegendaryPinkOx]

I'll go with the legal system thing being silly

If parents are concerned about this thing, they shouldn't be getting their kids cell phones with cameras on them. I never even had a cell phone until I went out, got a job, and signed myself up for one at 18 years old.

[Railroader]

I had a girlfriend give me a topless shot of her when I was 16 and she was 15 (never had sex with her). That was waaaayyy back in 1987. The major difference was that hers was on a polaroid and today's kids can email or even post on the internet pictures. I kept it a couple years and then ditched it. I probably showed it to 3 people.

Wal-Mart's film development is so factory-line that I'll bet no one is looking at the pictures. They probably look at one in thousands. I worked at one back in '92 in the electronics dept. which handled the film developing, and the only time we ever saw nudie shot was when a guy complained that we were cutting off the developing and half the shots were all dark. He claimed he was a major photo professional and that we were damaging his pictures because we were censoring him. I waited until he calmed down and then told him to sync his flash speed with his shutter speed and we'd stop censoring his pictures.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

I waited until he calmed down and then told him to sync his flash speed with his shutter speed and we'd stop censoring his pictures.

-t

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally Posted by LegendaryPinkOx 

I never even had a cell phone until I went out, got a job, and signed myself up for one at 18 years old.

In all fairness, this is a useless argument: My parents never even had a computer until they were in their forties, either. Times change, as does "normality" and technology.

Your point about cameras stands, though.

[LegendaryPinkOx]

It wasn't really meant as an argument as much as me venting. However, my parents still don't have cell phones, and I don't see why a 16 year old needs one either.

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by LegendaryPinkOx 

Wasn't really meant as an argument so much as venting, but my parents still don't have cell phones, and I don't see why a 16 year old needs one either.

To share naked photos with each other, of course.

Get with the program!

[LegendaryPinkOx]

Touché, I've always been out of touch with these things