[Chongo]

We'll see. In any case the HHS mandate will be thrown out, or O-blame-a will cave in before the election to try and salvage the 52% of the Catholic vote he carried in 2008. That or he will try and blame Bush

[Athens]

Why are people so opposed to mandatory insurance (out side of constitutional bickering)

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by Athens 

Why are people so opposed to mandatory insurance (out side of constitutional bickering)

Because we are pro-choice.

We enjoy the freedom of making our own choices.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

Because we are pro-choice.

We enjoy the freedom of making our own choices.

That isn't really fair to the Medical companies that have no choice but to treat you. Seems this only balances things out.

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

Because we are pro-choice.

We enjoy the freedom of making our own choices.

When you say "pro-choice" what are you choosing?

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

When you say "pro-choice" what are you choosing?

To smoke Marijuana.

For medical reasons of course.

[Chongo]

Riiight

[The Final Dakar]

O-blame-a?

Get a grip, people.

[Chongo]

The new O-Blame-A campaign logo.

Mika Brzezinski: I'm Hoping Blaming Bush Will Work

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

The new O-Blame-A campaign logo.

Mika Brzezinski: I'm Hoping Blaming Bush Will Work

I seem to recall a Clinton version of that image during Bush's presidency.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

O-blame-a?

Get a grip, people.

When you don't have a decent argument, you start name calling. It's a classic strategy.

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak 

I seem to recall a Clinton version of that image during Bush's presidency.

I did google search, didn't find one. I did see this one.


BTW, as soon as the stimulis bill was signed, O-Blame-a and the (D) controlled Congress took full ownership. Had they done nothing, I can see blaming W.

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak 

When you don't have a decent argument, you start name calling. It's a classic strategy.

Yep, I see Bob Beckel, Ed Schultz, and Rachel Maddow do it on a regular basis.

[Wiskedjak]

[QUOTE=Chongo;4175620]I did google search, didn't find one. I did see this one./QUOTE]
Maybe not that exact image, but for all the Clinton blaming that went on, there certainly could have been.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by turtle777 

Well, there *IS* a silver lining:

All that suggested to me was; "Whatever doesn't fit under the commerce clause can fit under tax law." I'm sure the (R)s will try to spin this as another broken Obama promise, but most were no more aware of the constitutional question of Obamacare than they are concerned over the shenanigans at the DoJ. If I were the tea leaf-reading kind, I'd say Obama is almost a shoo-in for another 4 years. If we can't get better than the standard 5-4 rulings out the SCOTUS, we certainly can't expect a better outcome among the collective.

Sour grapes? Sure, I'll accept that.

[BadKosh]

The HINDENBURG had a silver lining too........

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by BadKosh 

The HINDENBURG had a silver lining too........

Hahaha, ACA is the Hindenberg.

[andi*pandi]

Hmm, perhaps it will go down more like a Led Zeppelin...

[ironknee]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

BTW, as soon as the stimulis bill was signed, O-Blame-a and the (D) controlled Congress took full ownership. Had they done nothing, I can see blaming W.

i keep hearing this line of thought...

GOP: Obama could have fixed (insert problem) when he had both houses of Congress. This is just political.

Translation: Now that we have the House, (problem) is not going to be fixed.

[ironknee]

Originally Posted by andi*pandi 

Hmm, perhaps it go down more like a Led Zeppelin...

ACA is Zeppelin!

[hyteckit]

How can Pres. Reagan blame Pres. Carter if Pres. Reagan can't even remember who the previous president was.

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

How can Pres. Reagan blame Pres. Carter if Pres. Reagan can't even remember who the previous president was.

Kind of hard since Reagan's dead. As a matter of fact Carter's been brain dead since 1979.

[Chongo]

So how long is the power going to be out in the DC area?

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

Kind of hard since Reagan's dead. As a matter of fact Carter's been brain dead since 1979.

You're brain dead.

Carter's been doing some pretty cool things with eradicating disease in his post-presidential life (An International Health Organization Committed to Guinea Worm Disease Eradication and Disease Control and Prevention - Carter Center Health Programs). This is worthy of respect regardless of your political leanings and feelings.

Don't be an ass.

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

Kind of hard since Reagan's dead.

Yes, Reagan is dead.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

Yep, I see Bob Beckel, Ed Schultz, and Rachel Maddow do it on a regular basis.

You'll note that I specifically didn't claim it was a strategy employed by only one side of the political spectrum.

[The Final Dakar]

This seems related: http://gawker.com/5929210/three-colo...ooting-victims

Three of the five Colorado hospitals currently treating those injured in the Aurora theater massacre have announced that they will either limit or erase altogether the medical expenses of uninsured victims.

Children's Hospital Colorado will dip into donations and its own charity care fund to pay for health care costs. Insured victims will also have their co-pays waived.

Medical Center of Aurora and Swedish Medical Center — both owned by HealthOne — will place a cap or cover entirely the medical expenses of uninsured victims on a case-by-case basis.

Though the two holdouts, Denver Health Medical Center and University of Colorado Hospital, have not made known their intentions toward the uninsured, their standing as Colorado's top "safety net hospitals" suggests they plan to provide at least some free care to needy patients.

The number of uninsured victims has not been publicly released, but the Associated Press reports that one in three Coloradans (1.5 million) has either no insurance or an inadequate amount.

1 in 3 Coloradans uninsured? Holy Jesus.

[stupendousman]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

1 in 3 Coloradans uninsured? Holy Jesus.

..."or an inadequate amount."

What is the definition of an "adequate amount?"

What the left-leaning media think it is?

For example, we know how they often do polls and invent criteria that doesn't actually exist to spin things in the manner they wish. Kind of like the polls that assume only 35% of Republicans will show up to vote even though this is likely an impossibility, and report on this as if it reflects any kind of realtiy. KInd of like how the criteria for what constitute "poor" and "hungry" changes depending on what they what to show.

Maybe 90% of Coloradans are actually insured, but some don't have enough to cover 6 months in the hospital and rehab. That's not unusal. Often times healthy people CHOOSE less coverage to save a buck when odds are they won't ever need it. I don't see how such a thing is something that the government needs to intervene with.

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by stupendousman 

..."or an inadequate amount."

Ooo, you're right I misread that. I thought that stat seemed insane.

[The Final Dakar]

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2...es-131331.html

n a conference call last week, CEO and founder John Schnatter (a Mitt Romney supporter and fundraiser) said the health care law's changes — set to go into effect in 2014 — will result in higher costs for the company — which they vowed to pass onto consumers.

"Our best estimate is that the Obamacare will cost 11 to 14 cents per pizza, or 15 to 20 cents per order from a corporate basis," Schnatter said.

20¢? Oh no! If I eat one pizza a month over a year I'll be out the cost of not even a gallon of gas! What will I do?! Walk???

"If Obamacare is in fact not repealed, we will find tactics to shallow out any Obamacare costs and core strategies to pass that cost onto consumers in order to protect our shareholders best interests," Schnatter vowed.

Yes, heaven forbid you think of your employees or customers first. Everything that's wrong with this country, right there.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2...es-131331.html
20¢? Oh no! If I eat one pizza a month over a year I'll be out the cost of not even a gallon of gas! What will I do?! Walk???
Yes, heaven forbid you think of your employees or customers first. Everything that's wrong with this country, right there.

Why is it only the high tech sector that has figured out new, indirect revenue streams? Think of all of those companies, Google et all, that you have to ask "how do they make their money" because their model isn't obvious. Maybe the health insurance industry needs to start thinking along these lines rather than relying on direct profits from our consumption of health care services?

It seems wholly broken and circular that our costs and experience depends on their profit margins and our consumption volume.

[The Final Dakar]

subego, my great PL advisor, should I start a new thread for Papa Johns?