[mduell]

Just like the title says:

Bush commutes sentence for Libby
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

July 2, 2007, 5:52 PM EDT

President Bush commuted the sentence of former aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby Monday, sparing him from a 2 1/2-year prison term in the CIA leak case.

Bush left intact a $250,000 fine and two years probation for Libby, according to a senior White House official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the decision had not been announced.

I didn't follow the trial that closely, but if I recall correctly Libby wasn't the source for Plame or Novak's articles.
But I'm sure we'll hear a lot of empty statements from the democrats condemning this action.

[OreoCookie]

Libby wasn't convicted for the leak, but for obstruction of justice. Commuting the sentence does leave a bitter aftertaste.

[Atheist]

Originally Posted by mduell 

I didn't follow the trial that closely, but if I recall correctly Libby wasn't the source for Plame or Novak's articles.
But I'm sure we'll hear a lot of empty statements from the democrats condemning this action.

So let me get this straight. You didn't follow the case closely and don't even know what he was convicted of but since his political affiliation is the same as yours he shouldn't be punished for his crime. Make sense to me.

[tie]

Yes, but most likely he obstructed justice under the orders of Cheney, possibly directed by Bush. Lying to protect traitors who exposed an undercover CIA agent should not be a crime, imho. Give him a break. Hopefully, Bush will get Abramoff to cover the fine, too.

[OreoCookie]

It's not about what you think should or shouldn't be the law. It's also not about whether he is or isn't guilty or just acted `under orders' (which would make him an accessory): that's what courts are for. He was convicted of obstruction of justice.

It's also another thing to use the President's (or Governor's) power to pardon somebody: if you do it responsibly, you should be impartial and have no conflict of interest. But here, the Administration is directly involved in the Libby scandal, so there is a direct conflict of interest: your buddy is about to go to jail and you pardon him.

[tie]

He was convicted of obstruction of justice, making false statements to FBI investigators, and of perjury in front of the grand jury (two counts).

But no it doesn't matter, because there is no accountability for Bush. At the moment, the only people who support him are those who will support him no matter what because they don't know what the facts are. mduell even admits he didn't know the situation, but still blindly supported Bush and opposed democrats.

Yes, it is an irresponsible pardon. But the really bad precedent was leaking the CIA agent's identity as part of a political game. And mduell is right, that it is more Bush and Cheney who are responsible for that, than Libby.

[OreoCookie]

I would be the last to disagree that he's just a pawn in a bigger game and that him obstructing the investigation probably saved their collective rear-ends. But that doesn't mean he shouldn't be held accountable for what he did.

If anyone else had pardoned him, a party that hasn't been involved in the scandal, it also wouldn't leave such a bad aftertaste. This just perpetuates the impression that this is just `business as usual' in the Bush Administration.

[mduell]

Originally Posted by OreoCookie 

Libby wasn't convicted for the leak, but for obstruction of justice. Commuting the sentence does leave a bitter aftertaste.

Thanks

Originally Posted by Atheist 

So let me get this straight. You didn't follow the case closely and don't even know what he was convicted of but since his political affiliation is the same as yours he shouldn't be punished for his crime. Make sense to me.

This has nothing to do with my political affiliation (which is not the same as his!) and I never said that. Don't make personal attacks.

[awaspaas]

I think I speak for all republicans when I applaud President Bush for his brave act today, and thankfully now Scooter Libby can get on with his life after being put through such a terrible ordeal.

Oh, and suck it, libs.

[:dragonflypro:]

1) He was not pardoned. His jail sentence was commuted. Not the same thing.

Given the dubious nature of this case, that he was convicted of a technicality on at least a non-issue, and that the entire affair was a circus this should not come as a surprise.

It is not at all hard to site others that have been convicted of far worse and walked away. While still others have been convicted of less and still got the shaft.

[Helmling]

Yet another piece of evidence of the depth of corruption of this administration. Have they no shame at all?

Oh right, of course they don't.

[:dragonflypro:]

Originally Posted by Helmling 

Yet another piece of evidence of the depth of corruption of this administration. Have they no shame at all?

Oh right, of course they don't.

Oh, ok…

And yet another blind attempt to debase an administration (which is otherwise really pissing me off) while conveniently ignoring that 'the other side' is quite as much quietly of the same damn thing?

There is greater shame in that duplicity.

[Helmling]

Originally Posted by :dragonflypro: 

Oh, ok…

And yet another blind attempt to debase an administration (which is otherwise really pissing me off) while conveniently ignoring that 'the other side' is quite as much quietly of the same damn thing?

There is greater shame in that duplicity.

Ok, two things:

One, how does anyone else's guilt affect the guilt of this administration?

Two, what in the hell are you talking about? There hasn't been an administration guilty of this much corruption since Teapot Dome...no wait, EVER!

[greenG4]

It's crazy who presidents pardon. This was just high-profile so there's big hoopla over it. Bribe a judge? Smuggle cocaine? Conspiracy to export arms and ammunition to a foreign country? That's okay. Just pardon the guy:

Presidential Pardons

[Spliffdaddy]

Dubya is stupid. The least he could have done is accepted money in exchange for that pardon. The precedent has been set by the previous administration. ie, sex offenders.

[stupendousman]

Originally Posted by OreoCookie 

It's not about what you think should or shouldn't be the law. It's also not about whether he is or isn't guilty or just acted `under orders' (which would make him an accessory): that's what courts are for. He was convicted of obstruction of justice.

It's also another thing to use the President's (or Governor's) power to pardon somebody: if you do it responsibly, you should be impartial and have no conflict of interest. But here, the Administration is directly involved in the Libby scandal, so there is a direct conflict of interest: your buddy is about to go to jail and you pardon him.

Sounds like when Clinton pardoned Susan McDougal after she kept quiet and instead chose jail time so she wouldn't have to spill the beans on him. It's doubtful though that like the Clinton senario, that Bush played any real part in the Libby "scandal", as much as it was. He essentially got nabbed for a felony for not telling the truth about who he gossiped about. :yawn:

It's going to be a real hoot seeing the libs make hay over this, while supporting a future co-presidency who did much, much worse. :YEEHAW!:

[Spliffdaddy]

For a bit of perspective, let's take a look at Bill Clinton's pardons....

David Phillip Aronsohn D. Minn. 1961 Failure to pay special occupational tax on wagering, 26 U.S.C. § 7203
Wanda Kaye Bain-Prentice D. Ariz. 1982 Mail fraud, 18 U.S.C. § 1341
Antonio Barucco U. S. Army general court-martial 1945 Desertion in violation of the 58th Article of War
Kristine Margo Beck D. Idaho 1981 Bank embezzlement, 18 U.S.C. § 656
David Christopher Billmaier D. New Mex. 1980 Possession with intent to distribute amphetamines, 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1)
Terry Lee Brown E. D. Ky. 1962 Interstate transportation of a stolen motor vehicle, 18 U.S.C. § 2312
Joe Carl Bruton N. D. Tex. 1979 Conspiracy to commit mail fraud, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Nolan Lynn DeMarce W. D. Wis. 1983 Making false statements to obtain bank loans, 18 U.S.C. § 1014
Jimmy C. Dick N. D. Calif. 1976 Conspiracy to manufacture counterfeit Federal Reserve Notes, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Edward Eugene Dishman W. D. Okla. 1983 Conspiracy to defraud the United States and Oklahoma counties, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Brenda Kay Engle S. D. Ind. 1983 Conspiracy to commit theft from interstate shipment, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Mary Theresa Fajer D. Oregon 1980 Conspiracy to commit bank embezzlement, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2 and 371
Albert James Forte D. Dist. Col. 1973 Making and subscribing false and fraudulent income tax return, 26 U.S.C. § 7206(1)
Fendley Lee Frazier S. D. Ala. 1965 Interstate transportation of a stolen motor vehicle, 18 U.S.C. § 2312
Robert Linward Freeland, Jr. N. D. Ind. 1983 Forcible rescue of seized property, 26 U.S.C. § 7212(b)
Ralph Leon Furst S. D. Calif. 1966 Embezzlement of United States mail (U.S. Code section not cited)
Barbara Ann Gericke W. D. Wis. 1984 Conspiracy to introduce contraband into federal prison, 18 U.S.C. §§ 371 and 1791
Billy Joe Gilmore N. D. Tex. 1982 Mail fraud and aiding and abetting, 18 U.S.C. §§ 1341 and 2
Loreto Joseph Iafrate N. D. W. Va. 1976 Failure to record receipt of firearms, 18 U.S.C. §§ 922(m) and 924(a)
Carl Bruce Jones W. D. Mo. 1983 Distribution of marijuana and use of telephone to facilitate marijuana distribution, 18 U.S.C. § 2 and 21 U.S.C. §§ 841(a)(1) and 843(b)
Candace Deon Leverenz N. D. Calif. 1972 Unlawful distribution of LSD, 21 U.S.C. §§ 841(a)(1) and (b)(1)(B)
George William Lindgren S. D. N. Y. 1975 Bank embezzlement, 18 U.S.C. § 656
Brian George Meierkord C. D. Ill. 1983 Making false statement to bank, 18 U.S.C. § 1014
Jackie Lee Miller N. D. Okla. 1983 Conspiracy to defraud the United States, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Joseph Patrick Naulty E. D. Pa. 1980 Carrying away goods moving as part of foreign shipment, 18 U.S.C. § 659
Theodore Roosevelt Noel N. D. Ala. 1972 Selling whiskey in unstamped containers and making false statement in the acquisition of firearms from licensed dealer, 26 U.S.C. § 5604(a)(1) and 18 U.S.C. §§ 922(a)(6) and 924(a)
Mary Louise Oaks M. D. La. 1979 Conspiracy to defraud the government with respect to claims, 18 U.S.C. § 286
Robert Paul Padelsky D. Utah 1980 Misapplication of bank funds, 18 U.S.C. § 656
Elizabeth Amy Peterson D. Nev. 1985 Conspiracy to make false statements to bank, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Susan Lauranne Prather W. D. Ark. 1975 Causing marijuana to be transported through the mail, 21 U.S.C. § 843(b)
Gary Lynn Quammen W. D. Wis. 1976 Misapplication of bank funds, 18 U.S.C. § 656
Robert Ronal Raymond D. Conn. 1972 Conspiracy to manufacture, receive, possess, and sell firearms silencers, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Elizabeth Hogg Rushing N. D. Ga. 1978 Misapplication of bank funds, 18 U.S.C. § 656
Marc Alan Schaffer S. D. N. Y. 1968 Submission of false statements to Selective Service System Local Board, 50 U.S.C. Appendix § 462(a)
Roy Aaron Smith E. D. Tex. 1982 Misprision of a felony, 18 U.S.C. § 4
Diane Dorothea Smunk D. So. Dak. 1984 Embezzlement by government employee, 18 U.S.C. § 641
Thomas Peter Stathakis D. So. Car. 1976 Selling and delivering firearms to out-of-state resident and falsifying firearms records, 18 U.S.C. §§ 922(b)(3), 922(m), and 924(a)
Kathleen Vacanti C. D. Calif. 1979 Conspiracy to defraud the United States by obtaining payment of false claims, presenting false claims to the United States, forging a writing, and aiding and abetting, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2, 286, 287, and 495
Pupi White W. D. Mo. 1985 Making false statement on United States passport application, 18 U.S.C. § 911
Charles Coleman Wicker E. D. Mo. 1975 Conspiracy to conduct illegal gambling business, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Roderick Douglas Woods S. D. Miss. 1982 Misappropriation of bank funds and aiding and abetting, 18 U.S.C. §§ 656 and 2

April 17, 1995
NAME DISTRICT SENTENCED OFFENSE
Bradley Vaughn Barisic N. D. Calif. 1980 Making false statement to National Labor Relations Board, 18 U.S.C. § 1001
Herschel L. Brantley U. S. Air Force general court-martial 1951 Larceny in violation of 93rd Article of War
Linda Bailey Byars D. So. Car. 1975 Bank embezzlement, 18 U.S.C. § 656
Patricia Ann Chapin W. D. Mo. 1986 Falsifying prescription for controlled substance, 21 U.S.C. § 843(a)(4)(A) and 18 U.S.C. § 2
Ronald Jacobs E. D. Pa. 1967 Theft from interstate shipment, 18 U.S.C. § 659
Margaret Mary Marks N. D. Ohio 1984 Willful misapplication of bank funds, 18 U.S.C. § 657
John Richard Martin S. D. Calif. 1956 Embezzlement of funds from savings and loan association, 18 U.S.C. § 657
Earl Thomas McKinney 1. U. S. Air Force summary court-martial 1. 1951
1. Absent without leave
2. U. S. Air Force general court-martial 2. 1959
2.
Larceny by check, writing check with insufficient funds, and false claims, in violation of U.C.M.J. Articles 121, 132, and 134
Shirley Jean Odoms S. D. Tex. 1978 Filing false claim for tax refund, 18 U.S.C. § 287
Jack Pakis W. D. Ark. 1972 Operation of illegal gambling business, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2 and 1955
Gordon Roberts, Jr. M. D. La. 1977 Interstate transportation of forged and falsely made securities, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2 and 2314
Carl Edward Terhune, Jr. N. D. Okla. 1985 Issuing United States Postal Service money orders while postal employee with intent to defraud Postal Service, 18 U.S.C. § 500

December 23, 1997
NAME DISTRICT SENTENCED OFFENSE
Irving Frank Avery D. Colo. 1984 Possession of counterfeit plates, 18 U.S.C. §§ 474 and 2
Billy K. Berry E. D. Ark. 1986 Medicaid and mail fraud, 42 U.S.C. § 1396h(a)(1)(i) and 18 U.S.C. § 1341
Clio Louise Carson D. Wyo. 1979 Transmission of wagering information, 18 U.S.C. § 1084
Giuseppe Casadei-Severei D. Puerto Rico 1987 Obstruction of justice, 18 U.S.C. § 1503
Glen Edison Chapman 1. W. D. No.Car.
1. 1955

1. Removing, possessing, and concealing non-tax-paid whiskey, 26 U.S.C. §§ 5632 and 7206
2. W. D. No. Car. 2. 1957
2. Removing, possessing, and concealing non-tax-paid whiskey, 26 U.S.C. §§ 5632 and 5008(b)(1)
Ralph Wallace Crawford C. D. Calif. 1985 Mail fraud, 18 U.S.C. § 1341
Aaron Golden W. D. Tex. 1986 Failure to file a currency transaction report, 31 U.S.C. §§ 5313 and 5322(a)
Monroe Lee King S. D. Tex. 1973 Making plates for counterfeiting Federal Reserve Notes, 18 U.S.C. § 474
Ralph Lee Limbaugh N. D. Ala. 1974 Theft from interstate shipment, 18 U.S.C. § 659
George Edward Maynes, Jr. D. Canal Zone 1975 Distribution of cocaine, 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1)
Charley Morgan N.D. Okla. 1964 Unlawful possession of still and manufacture of mash, 26 U.S.C. §§ 5179(a), 5601(a)(1), and 5601(a)(7)
Linzie Murle Morse W. D. La. 1973 Interstate transportation of stolen motor vehicle and selling stolen motor vehicle, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2312 and 2313
Charles Patrick Murrin C. D. Calif. 1988 Bank robbery, 18 U.S.C. § 2113(a)
Moises Jaurequi Ramos D. New Mexico 1983 Misprision of a felony, 18 U.S.C. § 4
William Ray Richardson W. D. Mo. 1983 Interstate transportation of stolen property, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2 and 2314
Raymond Phillip Weaver U. S. Navy summary court-martial 1947 Theft of four pounds of butter
Bill Wayne West E. D. Miss. 1984 Dealing in firearms without license, 18 U.S.C. §§ 922(a)(1) and 924(a)
Anita Glenn Whitlock D. Dist. Col. 1978 Bank embezzlement, 18 U.S.C. § 656
Edward Kenneth Williams, Jr. S. D. Iowa 1979 Receiving and selling stolen motor vehicles and aiding and abetting the same, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2 and 2313
Larry Edward Winfield W. D. Ark. 1987 Mail fraud, 18 U.S.C. § 1341
Louis Anthony Winters 1. U.S. Navy general
court-martial

1. 1957


1. Unauthorized absence from duty
2.D. So. Dak. 2. 1969 2. Assault with dangerous weapon, 18 U.S.C. § 1153

December 24, 1998
NAME DISTRICT SENTENCED OFFENSE
Haig Ardash Arakelian

(aka Haig Arthur Arakelian)
S. D. Calif. 1975 Possession of marijuana, 21 U.S.C. § 844
Estel Edmond Ashworth N. D. Tex. 1974 Theft of mail by Postal employee, 18 U.S.C. § 1709
Vincent Anthony Burgio C. D. Calif. 1972 Possession of counterfeit government obligations, 18 U.S.C. § 472
Thomas Earl Burton E. D. Va. 1982 Attempted possession with intent to distribute cocaine, 21 U.S.C. §§ 841(a)(1) and 846
Jesse Cuevas D. Neb. 1984 Unauthorized possession of food stamps, 7 U.S.C. § 2024(b)
Harry Erla Fox U.S. Army summary and special courts- martial 1961 Absence without leave, Article 86, U.C.M.J.
James William Gardner D. Wyo. 1983 Conspiracy to distribute cocaine, 21 U.S.C. §§ 846 and 841(a)(1)
Alejandro Cruz Guedea U.S. Army general court-martial 1949 Larceny of government property
Sebraien Michael Haygood E. D. N. Y. 1982 Importation of cocaine, 21 U.S.C. §§ 952(a) and 960(a)(1)
Warren Curtis Hultgren, Jr. W. D. Tex. 1982 Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute cocaine, 21 U.S.C. §§ 846 and 841(a)(1)
Sharon Sue Johnson E. D. Ark. 1986 Bank embezzlement, 18 U.S.C. § 656
Ronald Ray Kelly U.S. Marine Corps special court-martial 1969 Unauthorized absences, escape from lawful custody, and breaking restriction
Francis Dale Knippling D. So. Dak. 1985 Conversion of mortgaged property, 18 U.S.C. § 658
Michael Ray Krukar D. Alaska 1988 Unlawful distribution of marijuana, 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1)
Michael Francis Larkin D. Mass. 1984 False statements to HUD, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2 and 1001
Leslie Jan McCall W. D. Okla. 1988 Use of telephone to facilitate cocaine distribution, 21 U.S.C. § 843(b)
Bobby Joe Miller E. D. Tex. 1982 Misprision of a felony, 18 U.S.C. § 4
William Edward Payne D. Ore. 1965 Willful attempt to evade excise tax on wagers, 26 U.S.C. § 7201
Robert Earl Radke C. D. Calif. 1981 Willful attempt to evade income taxes, 26 U.S.C. § 7201
David Walter Ratliff N. D. Okla. 1981 Making false statement to the government, 18 U.S.C. § 1001
Billy Wayne Reynolds E. D. Tex. 1981 Mail fraud, 18 U.S.C. § 1341
Benito Maldonado Sanchez, Jr. W. D. Tex. 1960 Possession of marijuana without payment of transfer tax, 26 U.S.C. § 4744(1)
Vicki Lynn Seals

(fka Vicki Lynn Miller)
W. D. Tex. 1984 Making a false statement to a federally insured bank while an employee of that bank, 18 U.S.C.§ 1005
Lewis Craig Seymour W. D. Okla. 1979 Distribution of Phencyclidine (PCP), 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1)
Irving A. Smith D. Md. 1957 Conspiracy to engage in price-fixing, 15 U.S.C. §§ 1 and 2 (Sherman Act)
Darrin Paul Sobin E. D. Calif. 1987 Conspiracy to manufacture marijuana, 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1)
Monty Mac Stewart W. D. Okla. 1983 Conspiracy to defraud U.S. and counties within Oklahoma, mail fraud, and aiding and abetting filing a false income tax return, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2, 371, and 1341, and 26 U.S.C. § 7206(1)
Kevin Lester Teker W. D. Wash. 1989 Maliciously damaging property used in an activity affecting interstate commerce by means of an explosive, 18 U.S.C. § 844(i)
John Timothy Thompson W. D. Okla. 1986 Use of the telephone to facilitate cocaine distribution, 21 U.S.C. § 843(b)
Paul Loy Tobin S. D. Ala. 1968 Interstate transportation of stolen motor vehicle, 18 U.S.C. § 2312
Gerald William Wachter E. D. Pa. 1974 Conspiracy to cause stolen goods to be transported in interstate commerce, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Marian Lane Wolf N. D. Tex. 1988 Misprision of a felony, 18 U.S.C. § 4
Samuel Harrell Woodard 1. U.S. Air Force summary court-martial 1. 1952 1. Absent without leave
2. S. D. Ga. 2. 1955 2. Theft from an interstate shipment, 18 U.S.C. § 659

February 19, 1999
NAME DISTRICT SENTENCED OFFENSE
Henry Ossian Flipper U.S. Army general court-martial 1891 Conduct unbecoming an officer

December 23, 1999
NAME DISTRICT SENTENCED OFFENSE
Meredith Marcus Appleton, II W. D. Okla. 1990 Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute cocaine and to distribute cocaine, 21 U.S.C. § 846
Steven Laurence Barnett E. D. Calif. 1987 Misapplication of bank funds and aiding and abetting the same, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2 and 657
Russell Carl Clifton N. D. Calif. 1977 Transmission of a false distress signal, 47 U.S.C. § 325 (misdemeanor)
Albert McMullen Cox S. D. Ga. 1987 Bribery of a public official, 18 U.S.C. § 201(b)
Bernard Earl Crandall C. D. Ill. 1985 Theft from interstate shipment, 18 U.S.C. § 659
Eugene Harold Del Carlo N. D. Calif. 1979 Conspiracy and blackmail, 18 U.S.C. §§ 371 and 873 (misdemeanors)
Kenneth Lee Deusterman D. Minn. 1991 False statement to HUD, 18 U.S.C. § 1012 (misdemeanor)
Frank Allen Els E. D. Wash. 1976 Possession of an unregistered firearm, 26 U.S.C. § 5861(d)
Arthur Neil Evans N. D. Calif. 1954 Protecting and assisting a deserter from the U.S. Army, 18 U.S.C. § 1381
Elizabeth Marie Frederick (fka Elizabeth Sigmon) D. So. Dak. 1987 Distribution and possession with intent to distribute cocaine, 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1)
Jackie Lynn Gano N. D. Iowa 1976 Receiving money or benefits through transactions of federal credit institution with intent to defraud while officer or employee of institution, 18 U.S.C. § 1006
Daniel Clifton Gilmour, Jr. D. So. Car. 1985 Importation of marijuana, 21 U.S.C. §§ 952(a), 960, 963, and 18 U.S.C. § 2
Michael Lee Gilmour D. So. Car. 1985 Importation of marijuana, 21 U.S.C. §§ 952(a), 960, 963, and 18 U.S.C. § 2
Theodore Avram Goodman S. D. Calif. 1981 Unauthorized sale of government property, 18 U.S.C. § 641
Michael Charles Jorgensen D. N. Mex. 1981 Misprision of a felony, 18 U.S.C. § 4
Leonard Charles Kampf E. D. Va. 1990 Conveyance of government property without authority, 18 U.S.C. § 641
Kenneth Marshall Knull Navy general court-martial 1976 Disobeying a lawful general order, negligently suffering destruction of military property, negligently hazarding two Naval vessels, Articles 92, 108, and 110, UCMJ
Reza Arabian Maleki D. No. Dak. 1984 Conspiracy to make false statements to INS; false statements to INS, and aiding and abetting the same, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2, 371, and 1001
William Ronald McGuire E. D. N. Y. 1978 Income tax evasion, 26 U.S.C. § 7201
Freddie Meeks Navy general court-martial 1944 Making a mutiny during wartime
Steven Dwayne Miller E. D. Tex. 1985 Possession of counterfeit Federal Reserve notes with intent to sell or otherwise use same, 18 U.S.C. § 474
Jodie David Moreland W. D. La. 1987 Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute marijuana, 21 U.S.C. §§ 841(a)(1), 841(b)(6), and 846
Lloyd Robert Odell E. D. Wash. 1983 Theft of government property, 18 U.S.C. § 641
John Richard Palubicki E. D. Wis. 1988 Conspiracy to defraud the IRS; income tax evasion, 18 U.S.C. § 371 and 26 U.S.C. § 7201
Patricia Ann Palubicki E. D. Wis. 1988 Conspiracy to defraud the IRS; income tax evasion, 18 U.S.C. § 371 and 26 U.S.C. § 7201
Mark Edwin Pixley D. Oregon 1991 Aiding in the manufacture, by cultivation, of marijuana, 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1) and 18 U.S.C. § 2
Theodore Alfred Rhone D. Dist. Col. 1987 Wire fraud and aiding and abetting same, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2 and 1343
Warren David Samet S. D. Fla. 1968 Transporting, concealing, and facilitating the transportation of marijuana that was acquired without paying the tax imposed, 26 U.S.C. § 4744(a)(2)
Steven Elliott Skorman N. D. Ga. 1972 Distributing lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1)
Ronald Marsh Smith Army general court-martial 1977 Stealing mail matter, Article 134, UCMJ
Richard Beauchamp Steele S. D. Tex. 1989 Conspiracy to eliminate competition by fixing prices in interstate commerce, 15 U.S.C. § 1
Christine Ann Summerbell (fka Christine Ann McKeown) W. D. Wis. 1984 Theft of mail by postal employee, 18 U.S.C. § 1709
Robert A. Suvino W. D. Ark. 1988 Conspiracy to commit mail fraud and mail fraud, 18 U.S.C. §§ 371 and 1341
Daniel Larry Thomas, Jr. N. D. Ohio 1987 Illegal use of a communication facility to distribute cocaine, 21 U.S.C. § 843
Howard Edwin Walraven W. D. Ark. 1968 Theft from an interstate shipment, 18 U.S.C. § 659
Martin Harry Wesenberg E. D. Wis. 1964 Willfully failing to pay the special occupational tax on wagering, and aiding and abetting the same, 26 U.S.C. § 7203 and 18 U.S.C. § 2 (misdemeanor)
Virgil Edwin West N. D. Okla. 1982 Mail fraud, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2 and 1341

February 19, 2000
NAME DISTRICT SENTENCED OFFENSE
Preston Theodore King

1. M.D. Ga.


1. 1961

1. Failure to appear for physical examination; failure to appear for induction into the Armed Forces, 50 U.S.C. App. § 46
2. M.D. Ga. 2. 1962 (indicted)
2. Bail jumping, 18 U.S.C. § 3146

March 15, 2000
NAME DISTRICT SENTENCED OFFENSE

[Spliffdaddy]

Gregory Leon Crosby D. Maine 1987 Theft by postal employee, 18 U.S.C. § 1709
Everett Gale Dague N. D. Iowa 1982 Conspiracy to obstruct commerce by extortion, extortion, demanding or receiving illegal payments on behalf of a labor union, and demanding or accepting illegal unloading fees from a motor vehicle driver, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2 and 1951, 29 U.S.C. §§186(b)(1) and (2)
Terry Stephen Duller W. D. Wis. 1990 Engaging in illegal gambling business, 18 U.S.C. § 1955; failure to pay excise tax, 26 U.S.C. § 7262
Richard George Frye D. Maine 1973 Knowingly shipping and transporting a firearm in interstate commerce, having been convicted of a felony, 18 U.S.C. §§ 922(g) and 924
Edgar Allen Gregory, Jr. S. D. Ala. 1986 Conspiracy to willfully misapply bank funds, make false statements to a bank, and commit wire fraud; misapplication of bank funds by person connected with a bank, 18 U.S.C. §§ 371, 656, and 2
Vonna Jo Gregory S. D. Ala. 1986 Conspiracy to willfully misapply bank funds, make false statements to a bank, and commit wire fraud; misapplication of bank funds by person connected with a bank, 18 U.S.C. §§ 371, 656, and 2
Carl David Hamilton E. D. Ark. 1986 Bank fraud, and conspiracy to commit wire and bank fraud, 18 U.S.C. §§ 1343 and 371
Charles Edward Kirschner D. Alaska 1993 Theft of bank property, 18 U.S.C. § 2113(b)
Charles Douglas Megla W. D. Ky. 1980 Mail fraud, 18 U.S.C. §§ 1341 and 2
Owen Neil Nordine D. Ariz. 1963 Interstate transportation of a stolen motor vehicle, 18 U.S.C. § 2312
William Thomas Rohring D. Minn. 1986 Forgery of U.S. Treasury check, 18 U.S.C. § 510
Lawrence David Share S. D. Calif. 1975 Conspiracy to commit securities fraud, sale of unregistered securities, and the use of manipulative devices in connection with the sale of securities, 18 U.S.C. §§ 371 and 2, and 15 U.S.C. §§ 77e(a), 77q(a), 77x, 78ff, and 78j(b)
Wayne Cletus Steinkamp N. D. Iowa 1988 Conspiracy in restraint of trade in interstate commerce, 15 U.S.C. § 1
Peter John Thomas D. Del. 1978 Conspiracy to possess cocaine with intent to distribute, 21 U.S.C. § 846
Heather Elizabeth Wilson

(fka Heather Elizabeth Calvin)
E. D. Okla. 1993 Use of telephone to facilitate commission of drug-trafficking felony, 21 U.S.C. § 843(b)
Donna Marie Yellow Owl

(fka Donna Marie Coursey)
D. Montana 1988 False statements, 18 U.S.C. § 1001

July 7, 2000
NAME DISTRICT SENTENCED OFFENSE
Carl Stanley Gilbreath N. D. Ga. 1971 Interstate transportation of a stolen motor vehicle, 18 U.S.C. § 2312
Claudette Dean Goodson

(fka Claudette Goodson
Findeisen)
E. D. No. Car. 1986 Aiding and abetting embezzlement of government funds, 18 U.S.C. §§ 641 and 2
Dane Robert Hessling S. D. Ohio 1987 Conspiracy to distribute and possess with intent to distribute cocaine, 21 U.S.C. § 846, and distribution and possession with intent to distribute cocaine, 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1)
Elwood Dwight Hopkins D. New Jersey 1962 1. Theft of government property, 18 U.S.C. § 641

2. Mutilation of coins, 18 U.S.C. § 331
Thomas Vernon Jones D. Wyo. 1989 Filing a false tax return 26 U.S.C. § 7206(1)
Madison Dow Kimball, Jr. W. D. Ark. 1983 Bank robbery, 18 U.S.C. § 2113(a)
Cynthia Lou LeBlanc

(fka Cynthia Lou Gallagher)
N. D. Tex. 1978 Conspiracy to distribute and possess methaqualone, 21 U.S.C. § 846
Peter Thomas Lipps C. D. Calif. 1981 Possession of counterfeit government obligation, 18 U.S.C. § 472

John Carroll Michiaels N. D. Ind. 1989 Purloining and coverting property of the United States Environmental Protection Agency, and aiding and abetting therein, 18 U.S.C. §§ 641 and 2
Richard Edwin Sacchi M. D. Fla. 1989 Conspiracy to possess cocaine with intent to distribute, 21 U.S.C. §§ 841(a)(1) and 846
Horace Carroll Smith D. So. Car. 1992 Conspiracy to violate the federal securities laws, 18 U.S.C. §§ 371 and 2
Tammy Lawan Tallant E. D. Okla. 1991 Misprision of a felony, 18 U.S.C. § 4
Carl Dennis Waren W. D. Ark. 1980 Interstate transportation of stolen motor vehicles, 18 U.S.C. § 2314
Robert Alexander Warr D. So. Car. 1982 False statements, 18 U.S.C. §§ 1001 and 2
James H. Wetzel, Jr. E. D. La. 1981 Conspiracy to distribute cocaine, 18 U.S.C. § 371, and 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1)
Diane Mae Zeman

(aka Diane Mae Moseman)
E. D. N. Y. 1981 Use of a telephone to facilitate importation of hashish oil, 21 U.S.C. § 843(b)

October 20, 2000
NAME DISTRICT SENTENCED OFFENSE
William Oshel Casto, III E. D. Wis. 1984 Embezzlement by a bank employee, 18 U.S.C. § 656
Donald Demerest Hall D. Del 1974 Misapplication of bank funds by an employee, 18 U.S.C. § 656
Cheryl Ada Elizabeth Little S. D. Fla. 1978 Conspiracy with intent to distribute a controlled substance, 21 U.S.C. §§ 846 and 841(a)(1)
Joe Clint McMillan M. D. No. Car. 1992 Conspiracy to violate the Sherman Antitrust Act, 15 U.S.C. § 1
Jeralyn Kay Rust D. Minn. 1990 Wire fraud, 18 U.S.C. §§ 1343 and 2
Jane Marie Schoffstall S. D. Calif. 1989 Possession with intent to distribute a controlled substance (methamphetamine), 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1)
William Calvin Smith, Jr. E. D. Pa. 1970 Interstate transportation of a stolen motor vehicle, 18 U.S.C. § 2312

November 21, 2000
NAME DISTRICT SENTENCED OFFENSE
Glen David Curry S. D. Ala. 1982 Conspiracy to distribute and possess with intent to distribute cocaine, distributing and possessing with intent to distribute cocaine, and using a telephone to facilitate distribution of cocaine, 21 U.S.C. §§ 841(a)(1), 843(b), and 846
Dave Meyer Hartson, III E. D. La. 1993 Mail fraud, 18 U.S.C. §§ 1341 and 2
Carl Edward Karstetter M. D. Pa. 1992 Conversion of government property, 18 U.S.C. § 641
Donald Spencer Lewis S. D. Tex. 1991 False statements to a government agency, 18 U.S.C. § 1001
Walter Sidney Orlinsky D. Md. 1982 Extortion under color of official right, 18 U.S.C. § 1951
Howard Charles Petersen D. Neb. 1971 Embezzlement by a bank employee and making false entries in a bank's records, 18 U.S.C. §§ 656 and 1005
John Laurence Silvi D. New Jersey 1992 Conspiracy to make unlawful payments to a union official, 18 U.S.C. § 371, 29 U.S.C. § 186
Laurence John Silvi, II D. New Jersey 1992 Conspiracy to bribe a union official, 18 U.S.C. § 371, 29 U.S.C. § 186
John Donald Vodde N. D. Ind. 1989 Possession and distribution of cocaine, and aiding and abetting, 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1) and 18 U.S.C. § 2
Melinda Kay Stewart Vodde N. D. Ind. 1989 Distribution of cocaine, and aiding and abetting, 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1) and 18 U.S.C. § 2
Philip Donald Winn D. Dist. Col. 1994 Conspiracy to give illegal gratuities, 18 U.S.C. § 371

December 22, 2000
NAME DISTRICT SENTENCED OFFENSE
Jimmy Lee Allen W. D. Ark. 1990 False statements to agency of United States, 15 U.S.C. § 714m(a)
Virgil Lamoin Baker E. D. (now S. D.) Ill. 1959 Violation of the Military Training and Service Act, 50 U.S.C. App. § 462
Garran Dee Barker E. D. Ark 1986 Conspiracy to commit bank and wire fraud, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Nancy M. Baxter W. D. Va. 1990 Tax evasion and filing a false amended tax return; 26 U.S.C. §§ 7201 and 7206(1)
Charles N. Besser N. D. Ill 1985 Mail fraud, 18 U.S.C. § 1341
Harlan Richard Billings D. Maine 1985 Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute in excess of 1,000 pounds of marijuana, 21 U.S.C. § 846
Edward Raymond Birdseye E. D. Calif. 1992 Unlawful use of a communication facility, 21 U.S.C. § 843(b)
Roscoe Crosby Blunt, Jr. Army court-martial 1945 Fraternization, Article of War 96
Charles Edward Boggs E. D. Ark. 1977 Receiving a stolen motor vehicle which was part of interstate commerce, 18 U.S.C. § 2313
Terry Coy Bonner N. D. W. Va. 1986 Possession of an illegally made destructive device, 26 U.S.C. § 5861(c)
Alfred Whitney Brown, III E. D. La. 1992 Illegal sale of wildlife by allowing hunting over a baited field, 16 U.S.C. §§ 3372(a)(1), 3372(c)(1)(A), and 3373(d)(1)(B), and 18 U.S.C. § 2
William Robert Carpenter N. D. Calif. 1991 Possession of marijuana with intent to distribute, 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1)
Philip Vito DiGirolamo N. D. Calif. 1984 Conspiracy to import marijuana, 21 U.S.C. § 963; willfully subscribing to a false tax return, 26 U.S.C. § 7206(1)
Peter Welling Dionis N. D. N. Y. 1976 Conspiracy, importation, and possession with intent to distribute hashish, 21 U.S.C. §§ 841(a)(1), 952(a), and 963, and 18 U.S.C. § 2
Darrin Dean Dorn S. D. Iowa 1981 Conspiracy to damage property by means and use of an explosive, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Peter Bailey Gimbel S. D. N. Y. 1991 Conspiracy to distribute cocaine, 21 U.S.C. § 846
Philip Joseph Grandmaison D. New Hamp. 1996 Mail fraud, 18 U.S.C. §§ 1341 and 1346
Joe Robert Grist W. D. Tex. 1990 Misapplication of funds by a bank employee, 18 U.S.C. § 656
LeRoy Kenneth Hartung, Jr. D. Nev. 1986 Interception of wire communications, 18 U.S.C. § 2511(1)(a)
Joseph Riddick Hendrick, III W. D. No. Car. 1997 Mail fraud, 18 U.S.C. § 1341
Judd Blair Hirschberg N. D. Ill. 1991 Mail fraud, 18 U.S.C. § 1341
Robert Quinn Houston S. D. Miss. 1986 Conspiracy to obstruct commerce by extortion, 18 U.S.C. § 1951(a)
Martin Joseph Hughes N. D. Ohio 1987 Aiding and abetting the falsification of union records, aiding and assisting in the submission of false tax records, making false statements to a government agency, 29 U.S.C. § 439(c) and 18 U.S.C. § 2, 26 U.S.C. § 7204, 18 U.S.C. § 1001 (as modified)
Jere Wayne Johnson W. D. Okla. 1982 Conspiracy to defraud the United States and Garfield County, Oklahoma, while serving as a county commissioner, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Michael Thomas Johnson S. D. Miss. 1987 Filing false tax returns, 26 U.S.C. § 7206(1)
Daniel Wayne Keys S. D. Tex. 1977 Possession with intent to distribute marijuana, 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1)
Larry Ray Killough E. D. Ark. 1985 Unlawful distribution of prescription drugs, 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1)
Jack Kligman E. D. Pa. 1985 Conspiracy and mail fraud, 18 U.S.C. §§ 371 and 1341
Hector Osvaldo Labagnara D. New Jersey 1976 Conspiracy to transport stolen motor vehicles in interstate commerce, to receive and sell stolen motor vehicles, to transport false vehicle registrations in interstate commerce, and to receive and dispose of false vehicle registrations; receipt and sale of stolen motor vehicles; 18 U.S.C. §§ 371 and 2313
Moses Jubilee Lestz

(fka Michael Eugene Lestz)
W. D. Ark. 1982 Forgery of United States savings bond, 18 U.S.C. § 495
Leon Lee Liebscher W. D. Okla. 1982 Conspiracy to defraud the United States (tax evasion), 18 U.S.C. § 371
Pierluigi Mancini N. D. Ga. 1985 Possession of cocaine with intent to distribute, 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)
John Ross McCown, Jr. D. Neb. 1992 Structuring of transactions to evade reporting requirements, 31 U.S.C. §§ 5324(3) and 5322(b) and 18 U.S.C. § 2
Edward Francis McKenna, III S. D. Miss. 1993 Possession with intent to distribute anabolic steroids, 21 U.S.C. § 333(e)(1)
Andrew Kirkpatrick Mearns, III D. Del. 1978 Conspiracy to distribute and possess with intent to distribute cocaine, 21 U.S.C. §§ 846 and 841
Ralph Eugene Meczyk N. D. Ill. 1987 Filing false partnership and individual federal income tax returns, and aiding and abetting therein, 26 U.S.C. § 7206(1) and 18 U.S.C. § 2
Philip James Morin W. D. Tex. 1984 Distribution of cocaine; 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1)
Thomas Edward Nash, Jr. W. D. No. Car. 1988 Conspiracy to restrain interstate trade and commerce, 15 U.S.C. § 1
Roger Lee Nelson D. Neb. 1981 Aiding and abetting mail fraud, 18 U.S.C. §§ 1341 and 2
Jose Rene Pineda-Martinez 1. S. D. Tex.

1. 1983

1. Entering U.S. without inspection (misdemeanor),
8 U.S.C. § 1325
2. S. D. Tex. 2. 1983

2. Transporting an illegal alien within the U.S., 8 U.S.C.
§ 1324(a)(2)
3. S. D. Tex. 3. 1984
3. Transporting an illegal alien within the U.S., 8 U.S.C.
§ 1324(a)(2)
John Russell Raup Air Force general court-martial 1984 Larceny of government property and wrongful possession of marijuana; U.C.M.J. Articles 121 and 134
James William Rogers D. So. Car. 1983 (as modified) Conspiracy to commit racketeering, 18 U.S.C. § 1962(d)
George Wisham Roper, II E. D. Va. 1974 Conspiracy to bribe public officials and to defraud the United States government, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Daniel Rostenkowski D. Dist. Col. 1996 Mail fraud (two counts), 18 U.S.C. §§ 1341 and 1346
Dean Raymond Rush W. D. Tex. 1993 False statements on a loan application, 18 U.S.C. § 1014
Archibald R. Schaffer, III D. Dist. Col. 2000 Violation of the Meat Inspection Act, 21 U.S.C. § 622
Anthony Andrew Schmidt D. Kan. 1985 Conspiracy to possess and distribute cocaine, 21 U.S.C. §§ 841(a)(1) and 846

[Spliffdaddy]

Stanley Sirote E. D. N. Y. 1974 Bribery of a public official, 18 U.S.C. § 201(f)
Dent Elwood Snider, Jr. D. Colo. 1981 Use of a telephone to facilitate the distribution of cocaine, 21 U.S.C. § 843(b)
James Lawrence Swisher M. D. No. Car. 1977 Obstruction of a criminal investigation, 18 U.S.C. § 1510
Larry Kalvy Thompson N. D. Tex. 1988 Aiding and abetting misapplication of bank funds, misprision of a felony, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2, 4, and 657
Stephanie Marie Vetter D. New Mex. 1979 Possession with intent to distribute methamphetamine, 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1)
Danny Ray Walker E. D. Ark. 1975 Interstate transportation of stolen property, 18 U.S.C. § 2316
Thomas Andrew Warren S. D. Fla. 1975 Conspiracy to import marijuana, 21 U.S.C. § 963
Michael Lynn Weatherford E. D. No. Car. 1986 Aiding and abetting interstate travel in aid of racketeering, 18 U.S.C. §§ 1952(a) and 2
Jack Weinstein D. Nev. 1975 Conspiracy and interstate transportation of stolen property, 18 U.S.C. §§ 371, 2314, and 2
Robert Owen Wilson M. D. Tenn. 1980 Mail fraud, 18 U.S.C. § 1341
Charles Elvin Witherspoon E. D. Tex. 1977 Embezzlement of bank funds, 18 U.S.C. § 656
Charles Z. Yonce, Jr. D. So. Car. 1988 Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute cocaine and aiding and abetting therein, 21 U.S.C. §§ 841(a)(1), 846, and 841(b)(1)(B), and 18 U.S.C. § 2

January 20, 2001
NAME DISTRICT SENTENCED OFFENSE
Verla Jean Allen W. D. Ark. 1990 False statements to agency of United States, 15 U.S.C. § 714m(a)
Bernice Ruth Altschul D. Ariz. 1992 Conspiracy to commit money laundering, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Nicholas M. Altiere S. D. Fla. 1983 Importation of cocaine, 21 U.S.C. §§ 952(a)(1) and 960(a)(1)
Joe Anderson, Jr. S. D. Ala. 1988 Income tax evasion, 26 U.S.C. § 7201
William Sterling Anderson D. So. Car. 1987 Conspiracy to defraud a federally insured financial institution, false statements to a federally insured financial institution, wire fraud, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2, 371, 1014, and 1343
Mansour T. Azizkhani W. D. Okla. 1984 Conspiracy and making false statements in bank loan applications, 18 U.S.C. §§ 371, 1014
Cleveland Victor Babin, Jr. W. D. Okla. 1987 Conspiracy to commit offense against the United States by utilizing the U.S. mail in furtherance of a scheme to defraud, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Chris Harmon Bagley W. D. Okla. 1989 Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute cocaine, 21 U.S.C. § 846
Scott Lynn Bane C. D. Ill. 1984 Unlawful distribution of marijuana, 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1) and 18 U.S.C. § 2
Thomas Cleveland Barber M. D. Fla. 1977 Issuing worthless checks, 18 U.S.C. §§ 7 and 13
Peggy Ann Bargon C. D. Ill. 1995 Violation of Lacey Act, violation of Bald Eagle Protection Act, 16 U.S.C. §§ 3372(a)(1), 3373(d)(2), and 668(a); 18 U.S.C. § 2
Tansukhlal Bhatka W. D. Ark. 1991 Filing fraudulent income tax returns, 26 U.S.C. § 7201
David Roscoe Blampied D. Idaho 1979 Conspiracy to distribute cocaine, 26 U.S.C. § 846
William Arthur Borders, Jr. N. D. Ga. 1982 Conspiracy to corruptly solicit and accept money in return for influencing the official acts of a federal district court judge, and to defraud the United States in connection with the performance of lawful government functions; corruptly influencing, obstructing, impeding, and endeavoring to influence, obstruct, and impede the due administration of justice, and aiding and abetting therein; traveling interstate with intent to commit bribery, 18 U.S.C. §§ 371, 1503, 2, and 1952
Arthur David Borel E. D. Ark. 1991 Odometer rollback, 15 U.S.C. § 1984
Douglas Charles Borel E. D. Ark. 1991 Odometer rollback, 15 U.S.C. § 1984
George Thomas Brabham E. D. Tex. 1989 Making a false statement or report to a federally insured bank, 18 U.S.C. § 1014
Almon Glenn Braswell 1. N. D. Ga. 1. 1983 1. Mail fraud, 18 U.S.C. § 1341
2. N. D. Ga. 2. 1983 2. Perjury, 18 U.S.C. § 1623
3. N. D. Ga. 3. 1983 3. Filing false income tax return, 26 U.S.C. § 7206(1)
Leonard Browder D. So. Car. 1990 Illegal dispensing of controlled substance and Medicaid fraud, 21 U.S.C. §§ 827(a)(3), 843(a)(3), 843(a)(4)(A), and 843(c); 18 U.S.C. §§ 1341 and 2
David Steven Brown S. D. N. Y. 1987 Securities fraud and mail fraud, 15 U.S.C. §§ 78j(b) and 78ff; 18 U.S.C. §§ 1341 and 2; 17 C.F.R. §240.106-5
Delores Caroylene Burleson E. D. Okla. 1978 Possession of marijuana, 21 U.S.C. § 844(a)
John H. Bustamante N. D. Ohio 1993 Wire fraud, 18 U.S.C. § 1343
Mary Louise Campbell N. D. Miss. 1988 Aiding and abetting the unauthorized use and transfer of food stamps, 18 U.S.C. § 2 and 7 U.S.C. § 2024(b)
Eloida Candelaria D. New Mex. 1992 False information in registering to vote, 42 U.S.C. § 1973i(c)
Dennis Sobrevinas Capili E. D. Calif. 1990 Filing false statements in alien registration, 8 U.S.C. § 1306(c)
Donna Denise Chambers E. D. Wis. 1986 Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute and to distribute cocaine, possession with intent to distribute cocaine, use of a telephone to facilitate cocaine conspiracy, 21 U.S.C. §§ 846, 841(a)(1), and 843(b)
Douglas Eugene Chapman E. D. Ark. 1993 Bank fraud, 18 U.S.C. § 1344
Ronald Keith Chapman E. D. Ark. 1993 Bank fraud, 18 U.S.C. § 1344
Francisco Larios Chavez S. D. Calif. 1986 Aiding and abetting illegal entry of aliens, 8 U.S.C. § 1325 and 18 U.S.C. § 2
Henry G. Cisneros D. Dist. Col. 1999 False statement (misdemeanor), 18 U.S.C. § 1018
Roger Clinton 1. W. D. Ark. 1. 1985 1. Conspiracy to distribute cocaine, 21 U.S.C. § 846
2. W.D. Ark. 2. 1985

2. Distribution of cocaine, 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1)
Stuart Harris Cohn S. D. N. Y. 1983 Illegal sale of commodity options, 7 U.S.C. §§ 6c(c) and 13(b), and 18 U.S.C. § 2
David M. Cooper N. D. Ohio 1992 Conspiracy to defraud the government, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Ernest Harley Cox, Jr. E. D. Ark. 1991 Conspiracy to defraud a federally insured savings and loan, misapplication of bank funds, false statements, 18 U.S.C. §§ 371, 657, and 1014
John F. Cross, Jr. E. D. Ark. 1995 Embezzlement, 18 U.S.C. § 656
Rickey Lee Cunningham S. D. Tex. 1973 Possession with intent to distribute marijuana, 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1)
Richard Anthony De Labio D. Md. 1977 Mail fraud, aiding and abetting, 18 U.S.C. §§ 1341 and 2
John Deutch D. Dist. Col. 2001 information Offenses charged in January 19, 2001, information
Richard Douglas N. D. Calif. 1998 False statements to a government agent, 18 U.S.C. § 1001
Edward Reynolds Downe, Jr. S. D. N. Y. 1993 Conspiracy to commit wire fraud and to subscribe to false income tax returns, securities fraud, 18 U.S.C. § 371 and 15 U.S.C. §§ 78p and 78ff
Marvin Dean Dudley D. Neb. 1992 False statements, 18 U.S.C. § 1014
Larry Lee Duncan W. D. Okla. 1992 Altering an automobile odometer, 15 U.S.C. § 1984
Robert Clinton Fain E. D. Ark. 1982 Aiding and assisting in the preparation and filing of a false corporate tax return, 26 U.S.C. § 7206(2)
Marcos Arcenio Fernandez S. D. Fla. 1980 Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute marijuana, 21 U.S.C. § 846
Alvarez Ferrouillet 1. E. D. La. 1. 1997
1. Interstate transportation of stolen property, 18 U.S.C. § 2314; money laundering, 18 U.S.C. § 1956(a)(1) (b)(i); engaging in a monetary transaction with criminally derived property, 18 U.S.C. § 1957; false statements to government agents, 18 U.S.C. § 1001
2. N. D. Miss. 2. 1997
2. Conspiracy to make false statements to a financial institution, 18 U.S.C. §§ 371 and 1014
William Denis Fugazy S. D. N. Y. 1997 Perjury in a bankruptcy proceeding, 18 U.S.C. § 152
Lloyd Reid George E. D. Ark. 1997 Aiding and abetting mail fraud, 18 U.S.C. §§ 1341 and 2
Louis Goldstein N. D. Ill. 1985 Possession of goods stolen from interstate shipment, 18 U.S.C. § 659
Rubye Lee Gordon M. D. Ga. 1974 Forgery of U.S. Treasury checks, 18 U.S.C. § 495
Pincus Green S. D. N. Y. 1984 superseding indictment Wire fraud, mail fraud, racketeering, racketeering conspiracy, criminal forfeiture, income tax evasion, and trading with Iran in violation of trade embargo, 18 U.S.C. §§ 1343, 1341, 1962(c), 1962(d), 1963, and 2; 26 U.S.C. § 7201, 50 U.S.C. § 1705, and 31 C.F.R. §§ 535.206(a)(4), 535.208 and 535.701
Robert Ivey Hamner C. D. Ill. 1986 Conspiracy to distribute marijuana, possession of marijuana with intent to distribute, 21 U.S.C. §§ 846 and 841(a)(1)
Samuel Price Handley W. D. Ky. 1963 Conspiracy to steal government property, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Woodie Randolph Handley W. D. Ky. 1963 Conspiracy to steal government property, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Jay Houston Harmon 1. E. D. Ark. 1. 1982
1. Conspiracy to import marijuana, conspiracy to possess marijuana with intent to distribute, importation of marijuana, possession of marijuana with intent to distribute, 21 U.S.C. §§ 963, 846, 952, and 841(a)
2. M. D. Ga. 2. 1986
2. Conspiracy to import cocaine, 21 U.S.C. §§ 952, 960, and 963
John J. Hemmingson E. D. La. 1997 Interstate transportation of stolen property, 18 U.S.C. § 2314; money laundering, 18 U.S.C. § 1956(a)(1)(b)(i); engaging in a monetary transaction with criminally derived property, 18 U.S.C. § 1957
David S. Herdlinger W. D. Ark. 1986 Mail fraud, 18 U.S.C. § 1341
Debi Rae Huckleberry,

(fka Debi Rae VanDenakker)
D. Utah 1986 Distribution of methamphetamine, 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1)
Donald Ray James W. D. Tenn. 1983 Mail fraud, wire fraud, and false statements to a bank to influence credit approval, 18 U.S.C. §§ 1341, 1343, and 1014
Stanley Pruet Jobe W. D. Tex. 1994 Conspiracy to commit bank fraud, bank fraud, 18 U.S.C. §§ 371, 1005, 1014, and 1344
Ruben H. Johnson W. D. Tex. 1989 Theft and misapplication of bank funds by a bank officer or director (13 counts), 18 U.S.C. § 656
Linda Jones,

(fka Linda D. Medlar)
N. D. Tex. 1998 Conspiracy to commit bank fraud, to make a false statement to a bank, to launder monetary instruments, and to engage in monetary transactions in property derived from specific unlawful activity; aiding and abetting bank fraud; aiding and abetting false statements to a bank; aiding and abetting laundering monetary instruments; aiding and abetting engaging in monetary transactions in property derived from specific unlawful activity; obstruction of justice; falsifying, concealing and covering up a material fact by trick, scheme, or device; making a false statement; 18 U.S.C. §§ 2, 371, 1001, 1014, 1344(1) and (2), 1503, 1956(a)(1)(A)(i) and (B)(i), and 1957
James Howard Lake D. Dist. Col. 1998 Illegal corporate campaign contributions (two counts), wire fraud, 2 U.S.C. §§ 437g(d)(1)(A), 441b(a), and 441f, and 18 U.S.C. §§ 2, 1343, and 1346
June Louise Lewis N. D. Ohio 1991 Embezzlement by a bank employee, 18 U.S.C. § 656
Salim Bonnor Lewis S. D. N. Y. 1989 Securities fraud, record keeping violations, margin violations, 15 U.S.C. §§ 78ff, 78g(a), 78g(f), and 78j(b), and 18 U.S.C. § 2
John Leighton Lodwick W. D. Mo. 1968 Income tax evasion, 26 U.S.C. § 7201
Hildebrando Lopez S. D. Tex. 1981 Distribution of cocaine, 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1)
Jose Julio Luaces, Jr. S. D. Fla. 1989 Possession of an unregistered firearm, 26 U.S.C. §§ 5861(d) and 5871
James Timothy Maness W. D. Tenn. 1985 Conspiracy to distribute Valium, 21 U.S.C. §§ 846 and 841(a)(1)
James Lowell Manning E. D. Ark. 1982 Aiding and assisting in the preparation of a false corporate income tax return, 26 U.S.C. § 7206(2)
John Robert Martin N. D. Fla. 1987 Income tax evasion, 26 U.S.C. § 7201
Frank Ayala Martinez W. D. Tex. 1989 Conspiracy to supply false documents to the Immigration and Naturalization Service, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Silvia Leticia Beltran Martinez W. D. Tex. 1989 Conspiracy to supply false documents to the Immigration and Naturalization Service, 18 U.S.C. § 371
John Francis McCormick D. Mass. 1988 Racketeering, racketeering conspiracy, aiding and abetting Hobbjay houston harmons Act extortion (five counts), 18 U.S.C. §§ 1962(c) and (d), 1951, and 2
Susan H. McDougal E. D. Ark. 1996 Mail fraud, 18 U.S.C. § 1341; aiding and abetting in misapplication of Small Business Investment Corporation funds, 18 U.S.C. §§ 657 and 2; aiding and abetting in making false entries, 18 U.S.C. §§ 1006 and 2; aiding and abetting in making false statements, 18 U.S.C. §§ 1014 and 2
Howard Lawrence Mechanic, (aka Gary Robert Tredway) 1. E. D. Mo. 1. 1970
1. Violating the Civil Disobedience Act of 1968, 18 U.S.C. § 213(a)
2. D. Ariz. 2. 2000
2. Failure to appear, 18 U.S.C. § 3150
3. D. Ariz. 3. 2000
3. Making a false statement in acquiring a passport, 18 U.S.C. § 1542
Brook K. Mitchell, Sr. D. Dist. Col. 1999 Conspiracy to illegally obtain USDA subsidy payments, false statements to USDA (two counts), false entries on USDA forms, 15 U.S.C. §§ 741m(d), 714m(a), and 714m(b)(ii); 18 U.S.C. § 2
Charles Wilfred Morgan, III W. D. Ark. 1984 Conspiracy to distribute cocaine, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Samuel Loring Morison D. Md. 1985 Willful transmission of defense information, unauthorized possession and retention of defense information, theft of government property, 18 U.S.C. §§ 641, 793(d), and 793(e)
Richard Anthony Nazzaro D. Mass. 1988 Perjury and conspiracy to commit mail fraud, 18 U.S.C. §§ 371 and 1623
Charlene Ann Nosenko N. D. Ill. 1990 Conspiracy to defraud the United States, and influencing or injuring an officer or juror generally, 18 U.S.C. §§ 371 and 1503
Vernon Raymond Obermeier S. D. Ill. 1989 Conspiracy to distribute cocaine, distribution of cocaine, and using a communications facility to facilitate distribution of cocaine, 21 U.S.C. §§ 846, 841(a)(1), and 843(b)
Miguelina Ogalde D. Puerto Rico 1981 Conspiracy to import cocaine, 21 U.S.C. §§ 952(a) and 963
David C. Owen D. Kans. 1993 Filing a false tax return, 26 U.S.C. § 7206(1)
Robert William Palmer E. D. Ark. 1995 Conspiracy to make false statements, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Kelli Anne Perhosky

(fka Kelli Anne Flynn)
W. D. Pa. 1989 Conspiracy to commit mail fraud, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Richard H. Pezzopane N. D. Ill. 1988 Conspiracy to commit racketeering, mail fraud, 18 U.S.C. §§ 1962(d) and 1341
Orville Rex Phillips W. D. Tex. 1991 Unlawful structuring of a financial transaction, 31 U.S.C. § 5324
Vinson Stewart Poling, Jr. D. Md. 1980 Making a false bank entry, and aiding and abetting, 18 U.S.C. §§ 1005 and 2
Normal Lyle Prouse D. Minn. 1990 Operating or directing the operation of a common carrier while under the influence of alcohol, 18 U.S.C. § 342
Willie H. H. Pruitt, Jr. U.S. Air Force special court-martial 1954 Absent without official leave, UCMJ
Danny Martin Pursley, Sr. M. D. Tenn. 1991 Aiding and abetting the conduct of an illegal gambling business, and obstruction of state laws to facilitate illegal gambling, 18 U.S.C. §§ 1511, 1955, and 2
Charles D. Ravenel D. So. Car. 1996 Conspiring to defraud the United States, 18 U.S.C. § 371
William Clyde Ray W. D. Okla. 1989 Fraud using the telephone, 18 U.S.C. § 1343
Alfredo Luna Regalado S. D. Tex. 1987 Failure to report the transportation of currency in excess of $10,000 into the United States, 31 U.S.C. § 5316(a)(1)(B)
Ildefonso Reynes Ricafort Veterans Administration Compensation and Pension Service 1987 Submission of false claims to Veterans Administration, 38 U.S.C. § 3503(a), now codified at 38 U.S.C. § 6103(a)
Marc Rich S. D. N. Y. 1984 superseding indictment Wire fraud, mail fraud, racketeering, racketeering conspiracy, criminal forfeiture, income tax evasion, and trading with Iran in violation of trade embargo, 18 U.S.C. §§ 1343, 1341, 1962(c), 1962(d), 1963, and 2; 26 U.S.C. § 7201, 50 U.S.C. § 1705, and 31 C.F.R. §§ 535.206(a)(4), 535.208 and 535.701
Howard Winfield Riddle N. D. Tex. 1989 Violation of the Lacey Act (receipt of illegally imported animal skins), 18 U.S.C. § 545
Richard Wilson Riley, Jr. D. So. Car. 1993 Conspiring to possess with intent to distribute and to distribute marijuana and cocaine, 21 U.S.C. § 846
Samuel Lee Robbins W. D. Tex. 1990 Misprision of a felony, 18 U.S.C. § 4
Joel Gonzales Rodriguez S. D. Tex. 1991 Theft of mail by a postal employee, 18 U.S.C. § 1709
Michael James Rogers S. D. Tex. 1977 Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute marijuana, 21 U.S.C. §§ 841(a)(1) and 846
Anna Louise Ross N. D. Tex. 1988 Distribution of cocaine, 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1); 18 U.S.C. § 2
Gerald Glen Rust E. D. Tex. 1991 False declarations before grand jury, 18 U.S.C. § 1623
Jerri Ann Rust E. D. Tex. 1991 False declarations before grand jury, 18 U.S.C. § 1623
Bettye June Rutherford D. New Mex. 1992 Possession of marijuana with intent to distribute, 21 U.S.C. §§ 841(a)(1) and (b)(1)(D)
Gregory Lee Sands D. So. Dak. 1990 Conspiracy to distribute cocaine, 21 U.S.C. §§ 841 and 846
Adolph Schwimmer S. D. Calif. 1950 Conspiracy to violate the Neutrality Act and export control laws, and conspiracy to export arms, ammunition, etc. to a foreign country, in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 88 (1946 ed.) and 371, 22 U.S.C. § 452, and 50 U.S.C. § 701
Albert A. Seretti, Jr. D. Nev. 1983 Conspiracy and wire fraud, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2, 371, 1343
Patricia Campbell Hearst Shaw N. D. Calif. 1976 Armed bank robbery and using a firearm during a felony, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2113(a) and (d) and 924(c)(1)
Dennis Joseph Smith 1. U.S. Army summary court-martial 1. 1951 1. Unauthorized absence
2. U.S. Army summary court-martial 2. 1952 2. Failure to obey off limits instructions
3. U.S. Army special court-martial 3. 1954 3. Unauthorized absence
Gerald Owen Smith S. D. Miss. 1956 Armed bank robbery, 18 U.S.C. § 2113

Stephen A. Smith E. D. Ark. 1996 Conspiracy to misapply Small Business Administration loans, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Jimmie Lee Speake N. D. Tex. 1976 Conspiracy to possess and utter counterfeit $20 Federal Reserve notes, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Charles Bernard Stewart M. D. Ga. 1986 Illegally destroying U.S. mail, 18 U.S.C. § 1703(a)
Marlena Francisca Stewart-Rollins N. D. Ohio 1989 Conspiracy to distribute cocaine, 21 U.S.C. § 846
John Fife Symington, III D. Ariz. 1996 indictment; 1997 superseding indictment False statements to federally insured financial institutions, wire fraud, attempted extortion, and false statements in bankruptcy proceeding, 18 U.S.C. §§ 1014, 1343, 1951, 152, 2(a) and 2(b)
Richard Lee Tannehill D. Colo. 1990 Conspiracy in restraint of trade, 15 U.S.C. § 1
Nicholas C. Tenaglia E. D. Pa. 1985 Receipt of illegal payments under the Medicare Program, 42 U.S.C. § 1395nn(b)(1)(B)
Gary Allen Thomas W. D. Tex. 1987 Theft of mail by postal employee, 18 U.S.C. § 1709
Larry Weldon Todd W. D. Tex. 1983 Conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States in violation of the Lacey Act and the Airborne Hunting Act, 18 U.S.C. § 371; 16 U.S.C. §§ 3372(a)(1), 3373(d)(1)(B), and 742j-1

[Spliffdaddy]

Olga C. Trevino W. D. Tex. 1987 Misapplication by a bank employee, 18 U.S.C. § 656
Ignatious Vamvouklis D. New. Hamp. 1991 Possession of cocaine, 21 U.S.C. § 844(a)
Patricia A. Van De Weerd W. D. Wis. 1990 Theft by U.S. postal employee, 18 U.S.C. § 1711
Christopher V. Wade E. D. Ark. 1995 Bank fraud and false statements on a loan application, 18 U.S.C. §§ 152 and 1014
Bill Wayne Warmath W. D. Tenn. 1965 Obstruction of correspondence, 18 U.S.C. § 1720
Jack Kenneth Watson D. Oregon 1985 Making false statements of material facts to the United States Forest Service, 18 U.S.C. § 1001
Donna Lynn Webb N. D. Fla. 1989 False entry in savings and loan record by employee, 18 U.S.C. § 1006
Donald William Wells M. D. No. Car. 1973 Possession of an unregistered firearm, 26 U.S.C. §§ 5861(d) and 5871
Robert H. Wendt E. D. Mo. 1982 Conspiracy to effectuate the escape of a federal prisoner, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Jack L. Williams D. Dist. Col. 1998 Making false statements to federal agents (two counts), 18 U.S.C. § 1001
Kevin Arthur Williams D. Neb. 1990 Conspiracy to distribute and possess with intent to distribute crack cocaine, 21 U.S.C. § 846
Robert Michael Williams E. D. Mich. 1981 Conspiracy to transport in foreign commerce securities obtained by fraud, 18 U.S.C. §§ 371 and 2314
Jimmie Lee Wilson E. D. Ark. 1990 Converting property mortgaged or pledged to a farm credit agency, and converting public money to personal use, 18 U.S.C. §§ 641 and 658
Thelma Louise Wingate M. D. Ga. 1991 Mail fraud, 18 U.S.C. §§ 1341 and 2
Mitchell Couey Wood E. D. Ark. 1986 Conspiracy to possess and to distribute cocaine, 18 U.S.C. § 371 and 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)
Warren Stannard Wood S. D. Calif. 1978 Conspiracy to defraud the United States by filing a false document with the Securities and Exchange Commission, 18 U.S.C. § 371; 15 U.S.C. §§ 78m. 78n, and 78ff
Dewey Worthey E. D. Ark. 1988 Medicaid fraud, 42 U.S.C. § 1396
Rick Allen Yale S. D. Ill. 1992 Bank fraud, 18 U.S.C. §§ 1344 and 2
Joseph A. Yasak N. D. Ill. 1988 Knowingly making under oath a false declaration regarding a material fact before a Grand Jury, 18 U.S.C. § 1623
William Stanley Yingling E. D. Ark. 1979 Receipt of a stolen motor vehicle, 18 U.S.C. § 2313
Philip David Young W. D. La. 1992 Interstate transportation and sale of fish and wildlife, 16 U.S.C. §§ 3372(a)(2)(A) and 3373(d)(1)(B)



Yeah, uh, Dubya is such a crooked mofo.

[Spliffdaddy]

I'm not sure where Bill found time to boink that chubby intern - since he was so busy pardoning crack dealers.

[greenG4]

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy 

I'm not sure where Bill found time to boink that chubby intern - since he was so busy pardoning crack dealers.

[tie]

I figured Clinton would come into this shortly.

dragonflypro, are you seriously defending committing perjury in front of a grand jury!? Wow.

Given the dubious nature of this case, that he was convicted of a technicality on at least a non-issue, and that the entire affair was a circus this should not come as a surprise.

[lpkmckenna]

The president's power to commute/pardon should be curbed.

[lpkmckenna]

Originally Posted by awaspaas 

I think I speak for all republicans when I applaud President Bush for his brave act today, and thankfully now Scooter Libby can get on with his life after being put through such a terrible ordeal.

Oh, and suck it, libs.

Go back to fark.

[stupendousman]

Originally Posted by tie 

I figured Clinton would come into this shortly.

dragonflypro, are you seriously defending committing perjury in front of a grand jury!? Wow.

Why not. Bill Clinton did.

[Spliffdaddy]

*smackdown*

[tie]

So stupendousman and Spliffdaddy also support committing perjury. Anybody else?

"And if there is a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is. And if the person has violated law, the person will be taken care of." -Bush

[Spliffdaddy]

The leak was from Armistead - who admitted as much.

Since he wasn't part of the Bush/Cheney shadow government, no charges were filed.

The whole point of the investigation was to prove that Plame was outed by the Bush Administration for political reasons (her husband reported things unacceptable to Bush's Iraq policy). When it became obvious that wasn't the case (in the first weeks of investigation), the special prosecutor *had* to indict somebody for something. I mean, he'd spent several years and many millions of dollars *knowingly* investigating a crime that never happened. Colin Powell was well aware of the 'leaker' and never said a word. Hope he rots in hell.

[OldManMac]

Originally Posted by stupendousman 

Why not. Bill Clinton did.

So, no one should ever be prosecuted for perjury because someone got away with it in the past. Bank robbers, murderers, and rapists would love to see your "logic" applied. Two wrongs have never made a right, and never will, except to to those who find it expedient to support their "logic." The facts are that "Scooter" (who the hell calls a grown man Scooter) was deemed to be prosecutable, was prosecuted, and was found guilty. No amount of attempting to deflect the issue by bringing up the past justifies excusing what the legal system determined was a crime.

[awaspaas]

Ahh, classic use of "BUT CLINTON!" - works flawlessly every time!

[:dragonflypro:]

Am I defending purgery? No.

I am pointing out that there are no shortage of persons on the other side of the isle that have committed like or more egregious acts and were either never prosecuted or when convicted had no penalties handed down. On those cases I don't recall the incredulity being as it is toward Bush et al.

Sandy Berger comes to mind, a former president, a sitting California Senator… the jury is still to convene for Jefferson… but if I had to place my bets… well…

Party rhetoric is rather distasteful when so blindly two-faced on matters such as these.

Originally Posted by awaspaas 

Ahh, classic use of "BUT CLINTON!" - works flawlessly every time!

Although, I think everyone must admit that if that statement were to ever apply, this would have to be it. It was the same crime.

[:dragonflypro:]

Originally Posted by Helmling 

Yet another piece of evidence of the depth of corruption of this administration. Have they no shame at all?

Oh right, of course they don't.

Originally Posted by OldManMac 

So, no one should ever be prosecuted for perjury because someone got away with it in the past. Bank robbers, murderers, and rapists would love to see your "logic" applied. Two wrongs have never made a right, and never will, except to to those who find it expedient to support their "logic." The facts are that "Scooter" (who the hell calls a grown man Scooter) was deemed to be prosecutable, was prosecuted, and was found guilty. No amount of attempting to deflect the issue by bringing up the past justifies excusing what the legal system determined was a crime.

I'd have to agree. Likewise, special prosecutors using the same to exact what amounts to political strikes should not be tolerated.

[stupendousman]

Originally Posted by tie 

So stupendousman and Spliffdaddy also support committing perjury. Anybody else?

Originally Posted by awaspaas 

Ahh, classic use of "BUT CLINTON!" - works flawlessly every time!

IT WAS A JOKE! Did you not notice the "I figured Clinton would come into this shortly" right before my comment?

...but it is rightly funny all the protest against perjury and the suggestion that someone who engages in it should go to jail despite many of the same people who make the claim said it wasn't a big deal that the current runner for the co-presidency spent no time in jail, yet lied continuously before a grand jury about a matter which had direct revelance to wrongdoing HE was alleged to have engaged in. The same guy who pardoned someone who was directly covering for him and went to jail to do so.

You guys are a REAL riot!

I'd have no problem with Libby going to jail if that was the precedent set. The precedent has been set though that politicians lying under oath about gossipy matters will only get you a slap on the wrist, and no jail time. If you don't like it, you should have fought harder for Clinton's indictment years ago.

[tie]

Originally Posted by :dragonflypro: 

Party rhetoric is rather distasteful when so blindly two-faced on matters such as these.

And yet it is almost the first defense you come up with. (Your first was that perjury and obstruction of justice weren't serious crimes. I guess this is better?)

If you want to be taken seriously, stop saying that perjury is okay for Republicans, that Clinton did it, or whatever other excuses. Libby was convicted with an abundance of evidence. His crimes were wrong and he has not shown remorse -- and he should serve his punishment. And this commutation is also wrong. Just admit it, and you'll have a lot more credibility in the future.

Anyway, I enjoy watching you guys twist and squirm. Especially on a small issue like this -- as opposed to the one where your blind support and gullibility has led to hundreds of thousands of deaths and trillions of wasted dollars.

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

Colin Powell was well aware of the 'leaker' and never said a word. Hope he rots in hell.

LOL! The ultimate crime in Spliffdaddy's world is betraying our dear leader.

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by stupendousman 

Sounds like when Clinton pardoned Susan McDougal after she kept quiet and instead chose jail time so she wouldn't have to spill the beans on him. It's doubtful though that like the Clinton senario, that Bush played any real part in the Libby "scandal", as much as it was. He essentially got nabbed for a felony for not telling the truth about who he gossiped about. :yawn:

I haven't said that Bush himself played a part in it, but the Bush Administration. The cases are somewhat different: Libby was pardoned by the same Administration he worked and took the heat for. So unlike Bush, Clinton didn't pardon her or commute her sentence, she served jail time.

[Dork.]

If we're going to play the "look who the other guy pardoned! OMG!!!" game, we ought to examine what Daddy Bush did, too.

To be honest, I hate the "look what the other guy did" game. I only bring it up because of this choice quote from the President-Elect in December of 1992:

However, Clinton said he was concerned "by any action which sends a signal that, if you work for the government, you're above the law, or that not telling the truth to Congress under oath is somehow less serious than not telling the truth to some other body under oath."

President Clinton should have listened to that guy, no?

[stupendousman]

Originally Posted by OreoCookie 

The cases are somewhat different: Libby was pardoned by the same Administration he worked and took the heat for. So unlike Bush, Clinton didn't pardon her or commute her sentence, she served jail time.

McDougal was pardoned by the same man she was a business partner with and took heat DIRECTLY for as part of a money making scheme. So unlike Bush, Clinton gained DIRECTLY by PARDONING (something Libby didn't get - he's still a convicted felon, McDougal isn't) her.

Unlike Libby there was an underlying crime that McDougal was convicted of that the pardoner had some role in, and instead of testifying as to what that role was, McDougal kept quiet and was rewarded with a pardon. Libby didn't keep quiet but apparently said something that the prosecutor could prove was untrue, but despite there being NO crime to investigate in the first place, Libby was to be sent to prison.

Quiet a bit of difference, actually. Direct quid pro quo and a crime erased as compared to someone who didn't tell the truth about something that wasn't even criminal having to be punished harsher for something that people in the past administration didn't even get indicted for.

Again...the low standard you guys set back during the last administration forces you to go to these laughable extremes, AND I LOVE IT!

[Dakarʒ]

Is anyone really surprised by this?

[TheWOAT]

Clinton's greatest pardon

Raymond Phillip Weaver U. S. Navy summary court-martial 1947 Theft of four pounds of butter

Obviously he was Willy's main supplier.

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by stupendousman 

McDougal was pardoned by the same man she was a business partner with and took heat DIRECTLY for as part of a money making scheme. So unlike Bush, Clinton gained DIRECTLY by PARDONING (something Libby didn't get - he's still a convicted felon, McDougal isn't) her.

How long did she spend in jail for that?

[:dragonflypro:]

Originally Posted by tie 

And yet it is almost the first defense you come up with. (Your first was that perjury and obstruction of justice weren't serious crimes. I guess this is better?)

If you want to be taken seriously, stop saying that perjury is okay for Republicans, that Clinton did it, or whatever other excuses. Libby was convicted with an abundance of evidence. His crimes were wrong and he has not shown remorse -- and he should serve his punishment. And this commutation is also wrong. Just admit it, and you'll have a lot more credibility in the future.

Anyway, I enjoy watching you guys twist and squirm. Especially on a small issue like this -- as opposed to the one where your blind support and gullibility has led to hundreds of thousands of deaths and trillions of wasted dollars.

First, you can spare me the PR lesson. Thanks though.

Please show me where I said purgery is OK.

I said as the whoel thing was a circus that the commution should not come as a surprise.

As for an actual opinion on the matter:

I personally feel that his conviction was wrong, that he was more-or-less maneuvered into a position of purgery and it does not bother me that the jail time was commuted. I am also of the opinion that his prosecution was based on technicalities and political victories in mind, not justice.

Nowhere did I indicate that it is OK for anyone to purger themselves. Opinion of the outcome is in no way a condolence of the crime itself.

My point ultimately is that the incredulity in the commution of this jail time is almost laughable considering the utter lack of concern or dismissal when the positions were reversed.

Lastly, I'd say to 'tie' that if you spent less time going for a smackdown you might find that I was actually making discussionary points, not offering up political party-line platitudes.

[:dragonflypro:]

Originally Posted by OreoCookie 

How long did she spend in jail for that?

I think she spent a majority of her jail time as a result of contempt (refusing to testify) and not a conviction. Not that it makes a difference. I'd say jail is jail.

Stones on that one, for sure.

[tie]

Originally Posted by :dragonflypro: 

Please show me where I said purgery is OK.
...
Given the dubious nature of this case, that he was convicted of a technicality on at least a non-issue, and that the entire affair was a circus this should not come as a surprise.
...
My point ultimately is that the incredulity in the commution of this jail time is almost laughable considering the utter lack of concern or dismissal when the positions were reversed.
...
Party rhetoric is rather distasteful when so blindly two-faced on matters such as these.

My point is that you yourself are being blindly two-faced, and you should consider your own position more carefully.

[stupendousman]

Originally Posted by OreoCookie 

How long did she spend in jail for that?

A lot more than if she'd simply told the truth about what she knew instead of keeping quiet, keeping Clinton out of jail, waiting for an eventual pardon.

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by stupendousman 

A lot more than if she'd simply told the truth about what she knew instead of keeping quiet, keeping Clinton out of jail, waiting for an eventual pardon.

How long did Libby spend in jail for covering for some (several?) people in the Bush Administration, possibly members of the Cabinet? Zero. I'm not saying that there wasn't a conflict of interest in the Clinton case, but that (unlike Libby), she has served jail time and Clinton didn't `correct' her sentence immediately after sentencing her.

Lastly, the defense `Clinton did it, too' seems so 90s

[besson3c]

Clinton should not be sending signals to our children that stealing butter is okay.

Won't somebody think of the children?

[besson3c]

So, if in the minds of the Republicans in here two wrongs make a right, what do three wrongs equal?

[Mrjinglesusa]

Originally Posted by stupendousman 

Why not. Bill Clinton did.

About a freakin' BLOW JOB.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Mrjinglesusa 

About a freakin' BLOW JOB.

And he pardoned some guy that stole butter...

Why won't anyone think of the children?