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DevNine · Apr 26, 2005, 09:40 PM

I got my hands on tiger but can't seem to find stuffit in order to unstuff files. Am I the only one or didn't it come with tiger ?

osxisfun · Apr 26, 2005, 09:42 PM

huh? what part is stuffed? the OS uses zip or archive... not sure what you are saying...

DevNine · Apr 26, 2005, 09:47 PM

I want to unstuff .sit files I have but Tiger doesn't appear to ship with stuffit expander

OptimusG4 · Apr 26, 2005, 09:50 PM

Tiger does not include iLife programs nor 3rd party software. It's on the web page requirements.

DevNine · Apr 26, 2005, 09:51 PM

"Stuffit Expander is not included with Tiger. But that's not all: if you have Stuffit installed already, the Tiger install REMOVES IT without telling you. At first it took me awhile to figure out that it was gone, just because years of Mac-using experience had made me thing "Well, of COURSE it has Stuffit Expander installed." I had to download Expander from stuffit.com just to be able to unstuff files I'd already had on my compute"

Thanks

osxisfun · Apr 26, 2005, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by DevNine

"Stuffit Expander is not included with Tiger. But that's not all: if you have Stuffit installed already, the Tiger install REMOVES IT without telling you. At first it took me awhile to figure out that it was gone, just because years of Mac-using experience had made me thing "Well, of COURSE it has Stuffit Expander installed." I had to download Expander from stuffit.com just to be able to unstuff files I'd already had on my compute"

Thanks

what rev of stuffit expander did you end up downloading?

this is good info for my upgrade next week. thanks.

MilkmanDan · Apr 26, 2005, 10:26 PM

Yeah, that was so totally weird. I wonder why that happens?

typoon · Apr 27, 2005, 07:27 AM

Do we really need Stuffit Anymore with OS X since it does .zip?

cybergoober · Apr 27, 2005, 07:29 AM

Stuffit was not removed from my system (Archive and Install), but the framework was moved to /Previous Systems/ so needless to say a re-install was necessary. 9.0 does not appear to work, however 9.0.1 does.

FWIW

LaGow · Apr 27, 2005, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by typoon

Do we really need Stuffit Anymore with OS X since it does .zip?

Yes, for legacy files.

:XI: · Apr 27, 2005, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by DevNine

"I had to download Expander from stuffit.com just to be able to unstuff files I'd already had on my compute"

Thanks

Does in still come in a .sit file?

Talk about a bone headed move. You need to have it, in order to get it.

I hope this is the beginning of the end for Aladdin Systems.

frankiec · Apr 27, 2005, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by :XI:

Does in still come in a .sit file?

Talk about a bone headed move. You need to have it, in order to get it.

I hope this is the beginning of the end for Aladdin Systems.

Too much keyboarding, not enough fresh air. It's come as dmgs and as binhexs for a long time. Good grief, version 5.5 came as a binhex.

alephOne · Apr 27, 2005, 08:48 AM

I got my hands on tiger but can't seem to find stuffit in order to unstuff files. Am I the only one or didn't it come with tiger ?

This was already being discussed here. Some people appear to have the behaviour that you and I experienced, some people have similar but not exact behaviour, and some people didn't appear to be affected at all.

The people who seem to have been unaffected appear to have at one point (prior to the Tiger install) downloaded and installed a newer version of Stuffit than the one that came with Panther. I never upgraded because I never saw a need, but when I installed Tiger (doing an "Archive and Install"), the installer appeared to have uninstalled or otherwise removed the Stuffit application from my computer.

As for the usefulness of it, software is still quite frequently distributed as .sit and .sitx archives. On my machine there are 230 archives that need Stuffit to be able to expand them.

Does in still come in a .sit file?

Talk about a bone headed move. You need to have it, in order to get it.

I hope this is the beginning of the end for Aladdin Systems.

Nah, it comes as a DMG file with installer inside now.

CharlesS · Apr 27, 2005, 01:50 PM

Well, I guess the good news is that maybe this will get developers to quit doing retarded things like distributing software as a .dmg.sit. Unfortunately, since much existing stuff does do that, new users are going to be confused by why they can't open craploads of files that they download.

Another thing - does Tiger have any GUI app that can expand file formats such as .tgz, .tbz, and the like? Because that is a role that used to go to Expander...

Chuckit · Apr 27, 2005, 01:56 PM

I've heard Tiger's BOMArchiveHelper does more than just zips. (Still haven't got my copy, so I can't say from firsthand experience.)

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Apr 27, 2005, 02:20 PM

I thought panther came with it though.

CharlesS · Apr 27, 2005, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

I've heard Tiger's BOMArchiveHelper does more than just zips. (Still haven't got my copy, so I can't say from firsthand experience.)

Ah, that would be nice. Panther's BOMArchiveHelper does support .cpgz, as if anyone ever used that format (it's weird, actually - drag a file onto BOMArchiveHelper's icon in CoreServices, and it'll actually make it into a .cpgz instead of a .zip).

Chuckit · Apr 27, 2005, 02:23 PM

Yes, Panther came with Stuffit. I don't think anybody's disputing that.

alephOne · Apr 27, 2005, 07:13 PM

I think he meant that Panther came with BOMArchiveHelper.

CharlesS · Apr 27, 2005, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by alephOne

I think he meant that Panther came with BOMArchiveHelper.

Panther includes BOMArchiveHelper, yes, but the version of BAH that comes with Panther only supports .zip, .cpio, and .cpgz.

Sharky K. · Apr 28, 2005, 04:46 AM

BomArchiveHelper has icons for: bz, bz2, cpgz, cpio, gz, tar, tbz, tbz2, tgz, z and zip.

I am glad stuffit is removed. Developers now have to distribute there software in compressed files that can be opened by an application that is not the worse os x app ever.

mrwalker · Apr 28, 2005, 05:26 AM

You need to give up way too much information to download from the Stuffit website. I got the free expander within a few minutes from Limewire. There's probably an installer on the Panther CD somewhere too, but I don't have one to hand

CharlesS · Apr 28, 2005, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Sharky K.

BomArchiveHelper has icons for: bz, bz2, cpgz, cpio, gz, tar, tbz, tbz2, tgz, z and zip.

Originally Posted by mrwalker

You need to give up way too much information to download from the Stuffit website. I got the free expander within a few minutes from Limewire. There's probably an installer on the Panther CD somewhere too, but I don't have one to hand

If you follow the download link from the MacUpdate page, you can bypass the intrusive info request:

http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/6326

alphasubzero949 · Apr 28, 2005, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by mrwalker

You need to give up way too much information to download from the Stuffit website. I got the free expander within a few minutes from Limewire. There's probably an installer on the Panther CD somewhere too, but I don't have one to hand

Agreed. They make it cumbersome just to get Expander. First, give up your information. Then you have to check your e-mail for the download link. Why not just give the freaking link?

And I thought Real was bad...

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Apr 28, 2005, 01:24 PM

Macupdate links right to the download:

http://www.macupdate.com/download.ph...ndard9.0.1.dmg

Chuckit · Apr 28, 2005, 01:25 PM

I really wish it were possible to make a Stuffit competitor without getting sued by Allume, but apparently it isn't.

starman · Apr 28, 2005, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Sharky K.

BomArchiveHelper has icons for: bz, bz2, cpgz, cpio, gz, tar, tbz, tbz2, tgz, z and zip.

I am glad stuffit is removed. Developers now have to distribute there software in compressed files that can be opened by an application that is not the worse os x app ever.

Excuse me, but when did Stuffit become "the worse [sic] os x app ever"?

Mike

Stradlater · Apr 28, 2005, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by typoon

Do we really need Stuffit Anymore with OS X since it does .zip?

Of course! How else are you going to unstuff the Windows Media Player installer!?!

CharlesS · Apr 28, 2005, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

Macupdate links right to the download:

http://www.macupdate.com/download.ph...ndard9.0.1.dmg

Is there an echo in here?

Krypton · Apr 28, 2005, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by starman

Excuse me, but when did Stuffit become "the worse [sic] os x app ever"?

Mike

I would have agreed until 9.0.1, which actually manages to launch before I get bored waiting

typoon · 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by Stradlater

Of course! How else are you going to unstuff the Windows Media Player installer!?!

I meant for thing today. Not files that were created Pre-Tiger that are still in .sit

Stradlater · Apr 28, 2005, 06:45 PM

And I was joking.

tuqqer · Apr 28, 2005, 08:26 PM

Add me to the pile who had to download a copy of Expander in order to open up any zipped files. I also couldn't navigate through the Stuffit site, and finally gave up and downloaded a copy from LimeWire.