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art_director · Nov 8, 2006, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by tie

But I'm right, aren't I? "Stay the course" is a good strategy, but only until the day after the election? What an odd coincidence. 103 Americans died in Iraq in October.

George Bush and the Republicans care no more about the lives of our soldiers than Mark Foley cared about protecting chiildren from pedophiles like himself.

ironknee · Nov 8, 2006, 06:32 PM

2 more years in the hot seat....bush will be grilled

no escape from accountability, baby!

art_director · Nov 8, 2006, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by ironknee

2 more years in the hot seat....bush will be grilled

no escape from accountability, baby!

I don't know about that, he's a slippery devil and he stacked the courts in his favor.

subego · Nov 8, 2006, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by art_director

George Bush and the Republicans care no more about the lives of our soldiers than Mark Foley cared about protecting chiildren from pedophiles like himself.

There are so many legitimate things for which to take Bush to task, do we really need the mean-spirited conjecture?

I really loathe the man, but please.

Monique · Nov 8, 2006, 06:49 PM

Now let's do a happy dance.

placebo1969 · Nov 8, 2006, 06:50 PM

I feel so dirty for having started this thread. It's a left wing circle jerk in here. Time to take a long, cleansing shower.

art_director · Nov 8, 2006, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by subego

There are so many legitimate things for which to take Bush to task, do we really need the mean-spirited conjecture?

I really loathe the man, but please.

In my view that is legit. As another poster stated, this could and should have come months, if not years ago. They kept Rummy in so they could run on the terrpor fear associated with the artificially induced war in Iraq.

We've been had.

art_director · Nov 8, 2006, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by placebo1969

I feel so dirty for having started this thread. It's a left wing circle jerk in here. Time to take a long, cleansing shower.

It's also a place for moderates like me to speak my peace on the matter.

voodoo · Nov 8, 2006, 06:59 PM

The tide is turning.. I guess. I'm gonna miss all the Rum-Fu

V

demograph68 · Nov 8, 2006, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by voodoo

The tide is turning.. I guess. I'm gonna miss all the Rum-Fu

V

this

placebo1969 · Nov 8, 2006, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by art_director

It's also a place for moderates like me to speak my peace on the matter.

I would hardly call this statement from a moderate:

Originally Posted by art_director

George Bush and the Republicans care no more about the lives of our soldiers than Mark Foley cared about protecting chiildren from pedophiles like himself.

marden · Nov 8, 2006, 07:15 PM

I guess the reason no one steers tie in the right direction is because liberals always like feeling smarter than the next guy and so to have someone(s) who doesn't have a firm grasp on the dynamics or facts allows the rest of you to feel you are one step over him or them.

You guys.

marden · Nov 8, 2006, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by placebo1969

I would hardly call this statement from a moderate:

His posts are so reactionary they would make Kim Jong iLL!

tie · Nov 8, 2006, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by marden

liberals always like feeling smarter than the next guy

No, I think only gays like feeling smarter than the next guy.

Sorry, but I have no idea why you wrote "liberals" there when any reasonable person would put "everybody." (IMHO)

tie · Nov 8, 2006, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by art_director

George Bush and the Republicans care no more about the lives of our soldiers than Mark Foley cared about protecting chiildren from pedophiles like himself.

I disagree. I don't know for sure about George Bush -- actions speak louder than words and his and Rumsfeld's have been anti-American and pro-Al Qaeda -- but don't see any reason for painting all Republicans with the same brush.

ironknee · Nov 8, 2006, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by marden

I guess the reason no one steers tie in the right direction is because liberals always like feeling smarter than the next guy and so to have someone(s) who doesn't have a firm grasp on the dynamics or facts allows the rest of you to feel you are one step over him or them.

You guys.

hello sunshine. how was your day?

marden · Nov 8, 2006, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by ironknee

hello sunshine. how was your day?

Fine. Why do you ask?

ironknee · Nov 8, 2006, 09:20 PM

marden · Nov 8, 2006, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by tie

No, I think only gays like feeling smarter than the next guy.

Sorry, but I have no idea why you wrote "liberals" there when any reasonable person would put "everybody." (IMHO)

See? That's where your complete liberal orientation leads you to believe that everyone 'thinks' and behaves as liberals do.

Liberals naturally and unfailingly try to tell everyone else what to do or what's best for them.

And as for my original point re: your post...(seeing as how your fellows would rather you remain unenlightened on this score)...

Originally Posted by tie

Bush flip flops, and Rumsfeld cuts and runs.

I think it is a bit crazy that Bush is making his decisions on the Iraq war based only on political considerations. If Rumsfeld was the wrong guy for the job last week or last year, he should have resigned then. But I guess Republican votes are more important than the lives of our soldiers.

Dork. had it right.

Originally Posted by Dakar²

I'm not sure why Rumsfeld had to leave now that the Democrats have control of the House, let alone immediately.

Originally Posted by Dork.

The new Congress doesn't get seated until January. By resigning now, his replacement can be confirmed by the current, Republican-controlled Senate. CNN just called Montana for the Democrat, so the best the Republicans can hope for in the new Senate is a 50/50 split.

If the GOP had won then Rummy would have stayed.

But because the new House/Senate mix would conspire to oust Rummy anyway, if the President waited until he HAD to replace Rummy in 2007, the Dems would have been able to prevent GWB's getting the man he REALLY wanted, confirmed.

By acting now the President can nominate Gates as Rummy's replacement and have him confirmed BEFORE the new Democrats take office.

marden · Nov 8, 2006, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by ironknee

[img]http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/fullmulletalchemist/nelson_ha_ha.jpg

The thing you fail to understand is that conservatives UNDERSTAND the democratic process and we are more realistic, practical and logical than liberals.

We understand this is how a democracy works.

Take a good look and maybe you'll learn something.

Helmling · Nov 8, 2006, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by marden

The thing you fail to understand is that conservatives UNDERSTAND the democratic process and we are more realistic, practical and logical than liberals.

We understand this is how a democracy works.

Take a good look and maybe you'll learn something.

Do you really believe that these sweeping generalizations are of any value in characterizing liberals or conservatives? I mean, honestly, you cannot be this deluded...can you?

These terms mean hardly anything anymore. Whenever you guys get going about "liberals" or "conservatives," I feel like I'm suddenly on that one Star Trek episode where the guy who was black on the right side and white on the left was at war with the guy who was black on the left and white on the right. It's absurd. I only hope you're some misguided teenager who will outgrow such ridiculous assertions.

ironknee · Nov 8, 2006, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by marden

The thing you fail to understand is that conservatives UNDERSTAND the democratic process and we are more realistic, practical and logical than liberals.

We understand this is how a democracy works.

Take a good look and maybe you'll learn something.

i said ha ha...

typoon · Nov 8, 2006, 09:51 PM

It's a bout time he left. He's blundered this war along with Bush.

marden · Nov 8, 2006, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by ironknee

i said ha ha...

Pardon me if I don't send an internet picture to the free world apologizing for our election results.

BTW, this dem/lib "Sorry Everybody" photo from the 2004 election is so damn elitist and offensive (using liberal standards) to those in nations where the people are not so wealthy that they can waste food and use it as props for a frigging picture.

And yet the liberals think they are sooooo righteous.

marden · Nov 8, 2006, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Helmling

Do you really believe that these sweeping generalizations are of any value in characterizing liberals or conservatives? I mean, honestly, you cannot be this deluded...can you?

These terms mean hardly anything anymore. Whenever you guys get going about "liberals" or "conservatives," I feel like I'm suddenly on that one Star Trek episode where the guy who was black on the right side and white on the left was at war with the guy who was black on the left and white on the right. It's absurd. I only hope you're some misguided teenager who will outgrow such ridiculous assertions.

olePigeon · Nov 8, 2006, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by Helmling

Do you really believe that these sweeping generalizations are of any value in characterizing liberals or conservatives? I mean, honestly, you cannot be this deluded...can you?

I was about to ask that myself. marden is seriously in orbit.

Dakar² · Nov 8, 2006, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by ironknee

[img]nelson_ha_ha.jpg[img]

You're killing me.

:dragonflypro: · Nov 9, 2006, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by olePigeon

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

True then, true today.

besson3c · Nov 9, 2006, 01:05 AM

*Yawn*

Don't you guys get sick of making stupid partisan comments, particularly the generalizations?

itai195 · Nov 9, 2006, 01:25 AM

These are the benefits of checks and balances. Incompetence like Rumsfeld's is unacceptable and can't be tolerated in such an environment.

vmarks · Nov 9, 2006, 01:40 AM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

You're killing me.

Boneitis.

Kr0nos · Nov 9, 2006, 01:48 AM

subego · Nov 9, 2006, 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by art_director

In my view that is legit.

When I say "legitimate" think "not conjecture".

Originally Posted by art_director

As another poster stated, this could and should have come months, if not years ago...

See? Not conjecture. Easy.

Originally Posted by art_director

We've been had.

We've been had ≠ Bush doesn't care about the lives of soldiers

subego · Nov 9, 2006, 01:55 AM

Originally Posted by Kr0nos

If you made this you soooo get a laugh point.

Dakar² · Nov 9, 2006, 02:07 AM

Originally Posted by vmarks

Boneitis.

Respect +1

sek929 · Nov 9, 2006, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by marden

And yet the liberals think they are sooooo righteous.

This coming from the single most righteous person in this forum.

Dork. · Nov 9, 2006, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

Don't you guys get sick of making stupid partisan comments, particularly the generalizations?

Here you go again, derailing threads with your nonsense posts.

I just realized why I'm not a true "Anyone-but-Bush" partisan: I noted in the lame-duck thread that I think Bush may actually end up being a better President now that he's going to be forced to work with the other side to get stuff done. I'm at least holding out some hope that the new circumstances can turn things around, and we'll get the Uniter (not the Divider) that we were told we were getting in 2000....

Pendergast · Nov 9, 2006, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by Dork.

Here you go again, derailing threads with your nonsense posts.

I just realized why I'm not a true "Anyone-but-Bush" partisan: I noted in the lame-duck thread that I think Bush may actually end up being a better President now that he's going to be forced to work with the other side to get stuff done. I'm at least holding out some hope that the new circumstances can turn things around, and we'll get the Uniter (not the Divider) that we were told we were getting in 2000....

Post of the thread.

BlueSky · Nov 9, 2006, 04:30 PM

http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchiv...y_goodbye.html

art_director · Nov 9, 2006, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by BlueSky

onegoodmove: Say Goodbye

brilliant.

Dakar² · Nov 9, 2006, 05:18 PM

Yeah, I caught last night. Clever.

ironknee · Nov 9, 2006, 05:40 PM

lol very sweet

stevesnj · Nov 9, 2006, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by The Left

he's gone... WOO HOOOO!!!!!!!!

next Bush & Cheney!

Funny how this was done after the november miid-terms, why didnt he do this months ago?

Rumor · Nov 9, 2006, 07:20 PM

I believe Congress has to approve of who Bush nominates for the position. Since the shift change won't be until the 1st of January, he can get his nominee approved while the Republicans control Congress.