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i-Mac · Nov 5, 2001, 06:54 PM

Does anyine knows what the 5M13 update is about???
It's floating on private servers.

piracy · Nov 5, 2001, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by i-Mac:
Does anyine knows what the 5M13 update is about???
It's floating on private servers.

This is not a discussion board for illegal, pirated, unreleased software.

[ 11-05-2001: Message edited by: piracy ]

i-Mac · Nov 5, 2001, 07:03 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by piracy:
[QB]

This is not a discussion board for illegal, pirated, unreleased software.

Is it piracy ??? I don't think so. There must be a reason why it's released. They (Apple) know that many people take the risk and try it, good or bad. But that is my opinion, and I respect yours. Oh , btw, I won't try it. I'm just want to know what it's like.

Ghoser777 · Nov 5, 2001, 08:04 PM

Well, uhmm, I know we're not suppose to show people how to get illegal software, but I don't think any mods have ever said we couldn't talk about illegally obtained software. Not that I'm incouraging theft, but if people want to break their NDAs, I don't think there's anything any of us should lose any sleeo over.

F-bacher

Steve Bosell · Nov 5, 2001, 08:16 PM

lighten up piracy,
jeeeeeeezzzzzzzz

BTP · Nov 5, 2001, 08:34 PM

Actually it is not illegal or unreleased. I don't really think you can 'pirate' a free upgrade. Before anyone answers, and I am hoping you won't, it is my opinion and I am sure there are others who see things differently.

I can see how you might say that if you are talking about a commercial piece of software, but not this.

As for the update, the bottom line is: don't bother. Wait for 10.1.1.

Nebrie · Nov 5, 2001, 08:42 PM

[quote]Originally posted by i-Mac:

Originally posted by piracy:
[QB]

This is not a discussion board for illegal, pirated, unreleased software.

Is it piracy ??? I don't think so. There must be a reason why it's released. They (Apple) know that many people take the risk and try it, good or bad. But that is my opinion, and I respect yours. Oh , btw, I won't try it. I'm just want to know what it's like.

No. It is not "released". It was released for developers to test their products on before it's "released", but also attached to an NDA and statement that basically says if you're stupid enough to try this crap on a production machine, screw you. They (Apple) don't want people like you to try it then come in here crying how Apple destroyed your computer. It's happened before, and it'll happen again. It does eventually get really annoying. Unfortunately newbies don't know that.

Nebrie · Nov 5, 2001, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by BTP:
Actually it is not illegal or unreleased. I don't really think you can 'pirate' a free upgrade. Before anyone answers, and I am hoping you won't, it is my opinion and I am sure there are others who see things differently.

I can see how you might say that if you are talking about a commercial piece of software, but not this.

As for the update, the bottom line is: don't bother. Wait for 10.1.1.

Technically it can be pirated. Developers pay money to be in the developers program. Part of this money buys us this unreleased software. We have to pay to get this "free" software before it's ready. It's basically a paid beta for free software. And so, that's the portion that you're pirating.

Sine · Nov 5, 2001, 10:04 PM

Illegal or not illegal.. I hate these iTards that start topics on something that either has a topic all ready.. or has 5 or 6 topics

BTP · Nov 5, 2001, 10:30 PM

Right. This is a useless thread. Please close it.

As for your example of pirating, that's your opinion, but it's weak and knee deep in semantics. So if he downloads a free upgrade today before it is released, that is pirating, but if it is available tomorrow on Apples servers, and the only thing that has changes is the passage of time, that's ok? How does that dilute the software development? Again I can see if it were a commercial release that was sold, but I can't see how this can adversely affect Apple or Apple developers.

For example, I can see that if people pirate OS X that will hurt as Apple sells it and makes revenue from it.

Still, this is a useless thread, close it, please.

[Edit: I can't spell]

[ 11-05-2001: Message edited by: BTP ]

i-Mac · Nov 6, 2001, 12:49 AM

I said I did NOT d/l it and NOT installed it.
All I want to know what it could be.

Thanks

iBorg · Nov 6, 2001, 01:06 AM

Originally posted by i-Mac:
Does anyine knows what the 5M13 update is about???
It's floating on private servers.

SHEEEEEEEESH!

Before people start jumping down this guys throat, read his post! He wasn't encouraging warez, or asking to get a copy, he's just asking "what's coming next!"

If you know, and have an NDA, don't answer - if you don't know, dummy up! We're all Mac-addicts in these fora, looking for the "next great thing," and that includes OS updates. If we remove all rumor-material, these fora would die a quick death, right?

Lighten up!

iBorg

juanvaldes · Nov 6, 2001, 01:24 AM

It's a nice big bug fix, like every other x.x.1 release ever.

V · Nov 6, 2001, 02:51 AM

Poor i-mac, having to cope with those fu*kers to have your answers or just talk about what is interesting you...

Anyway, 10.1.1 should deliver many bugs fixe and some minor improvement (and a few new bugs as usual). Among those you shouls find:

-The world X extremely slow printing problem should be gone.
-Numerous bugs fixe when you use OS X in a appleshare network of machine running OS 8.6 or 9.
-Improvements for Webdav and compatibility with Windows 2000 IIS server.

Etc

It should be out soon.

Nebrie · Nov 6, 2001, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by V:
[QB]Poor i-mac, having to cope with those fu*kers to have your answers or just talk about what is interesting you...
[QB]

You know, he could have just read, oh say, the first 10 topics and found a topic named "10.1.1 5M13".

Spheric Harlot · Nov 6, 2001, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by piracy:
This is not a discussion board for illegal, pirated, unreleased software.

It was made quite clear during the 10.1 pre-release era that discussion of illegal, pirated, unreleased software is most definitely ON-topic here.

Details on where to get the software, as well as help in installing or troubleshooting, are not allowed. But feature discussion is.

You've been around long enough to know this - did your ego need to have you jump on a newbie, or was it just for the hell of it?

"Sir [*slap*] - I demand satisfaction!"

-c.

i-Mac · Nov 6, 2001, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:


It was made quite clear during the 10.1 pre-release era that discussion of illegal, pirated, unreleased software is most definitely ON-topic here.

Details on where to get the software, as well as help in installing or troubleshooting, are not allowed. But feature discussion is.

You've been around long enough to know this - did your ego need to have you jump on a newbie, or was it just for the hell of it?

"Sir [*slap*] - I demand satisfaction!"

Thanks for your support !!! Next time I'll will wait a while before I ask such a question again. Not that the shouting hurts me, because sticks and stones, can break my bones, but words can never hurt me.

i-Mac

-c.

PhreakOut X · Nov 6, 2001, 05:21 PM

Getting a copy now, will post what i notice after the install.

gaffa · Nov 6, 2001, 05:44 PM

Well, lets have a think now. An update. That'll probably be bug fixes and stuff.

Cheers

Gaffa.

PhreakOut X · Nov 6, 2001, 10:43 PM

ok this was in the reame file tat came with it.
Resolved Issues in this Software Update

Known issue in this build:
Some localizations are missing from this build.

Bugs fixed in this build:
AppleShareClient / afpserver
Fixed problem with AFP attributes corrupting 1024 byte zones
Fixed problem with panic while mounting sharepoints in Classic over IP
Fixed problem with Sleeping clients losing server connection
Fixed problem with file size limit for file transfers is 2GB

Firewire/MassStorage/SCSI IO
Fixed problem with Cannot hot switch between FireWire cameras
Fixed problem with Oxford 911-based FireWire drive locks up; won't mount
Fixed problem with FB X Loss of FW transmit after doing a capture now
Fixed problem with FireWire DMA jam on Uni 1.0x when isoch DMA reaches end of program
Fixed problem with Finder wedges (promptly) during FW-to-FW copy
Fixed problem with mesh SCSI driver does not power down termination power at sleep
Fixed problem with KERNEL PANIC When unplugging USB Q-Drive
Fixed problem with "Q USB Hard Drive": media always shows up as ejectable and non-writable

ATS
Fixed problem with Application crashes after previewing 2nd Font
Fixed problem with Small/Big Button overlaps vertical CD font when printing
Fixed problem when Viewing certain PDF in 10.1 crashes
Fixed problem with PDF file crashes OS X
Fixed problem with ATSServer crashes during synthesizing cmap

CoreGraphics,CoreGraphicsRIP
Fixed problem with CGImageCreateWithEPSDataProvider needed for printing
Fixed problem with Word doc prints very slowly even with masked images turned off
Fixed problem with CGSGetActiveDisplayList returns 0 active display on wak

DiscRecording
Fixed problems with discRecording and extended support for CD-R (I-O Data CDRWD-i1210J/1394, Sony Digital Relay, Sony CRX1650L, Sony Spressa Professional, Plextor PX-1610A)

Finder
Fixes to improve support for CD burning.

HIToolbox
Fixed problem with Drag Messages can be sent to app during a call to CheckEventQueueForUserCancel
Fixed problem with Crash in SetupMenuTracking
Fixed problem with ShowWindow will call SetUserFocusWindow on a different window
Fixed problem with Localized menu title truncation unacceptable
Fixed problem with calling ::MoveWindow on OSX when window is already where you want it
Fixed problem with GetBestControlRect on retitled checkbox/radio->old siz?
Fixed problem with GetAvailableWindowPositioningBounds return incorrect coordinates
Fixed problem with In vertical orientation - controller drawer doesn't animate when opening/closing
Fixed problem with handlers install to original window after TXNAttachObjectToWindow is called
Fixed problem with When entering 2byte text, baseline is not visible in the TE fields of AW dialogs
Fixed problem with Inputting with Bottom Input Window crash the application

HTMLDisplay
Fixed problem with Certain HTML emails will render without vertical scrollbar
Fixed problem with Crash while idly viewing HTML message

ImageCaptureApp
Added support for 7 new Canon models

KotoeriUIServer
Fixed problem with Character palatte non-Kanji chart has missing characters
MailViewer, Message
Fixed problems to improve Mail, better support for attachments.

PrintingPlugins, PrintingCore
Fixed problem with EPS pictures only print in the placeholder picture/text to PS printers
Fixed problem with Cannot print to HP LaserJet 1200
Fixed problem with Unable to save pdf if name has �%�
Fixed problem with Duplexing on host not handled correctly by printing system
Fixed problem with Manual selection of PPD for ATalk or USB printers parses wrong PPD

Quickdraw
Fixed problem with Crash in BitsDevLoop?-?Integrate
Fixed problem with App crash on launch 1st time after boot if Auto Login is �Off�

Quickdraw, ATS
Fixed problem with FMGetFontContainer returns wrong container for bitmap font Hiroshige in Classic

QuickTIme, IOQTComponents
Fixed problem with ICM flushes other sequences while scheduling preventing FX to playback async
Fixed problem with ICM: define codec interface to remove persistent image and use it when available

URL Access
Fixed problem with URL Access broken for this URL (Redirect needed)
Fixed problem with URL Access incorrectly turns 302 response code into 404 error
Fixed problem with URLNewReference returns error +1 for URLs
Fixed problem with ftp transfers of directories fail with -30785
Fixed problem with URL Access fails when ftp uploading folders
Fixed problem with URL Access can�t handle spaces in file :// URLs

webdavfs
Fixed problem with webdavfs should support digest authentication
Fixed problem with WebDAV does not work with Windows 2000 IIS Server
Fixed problem with webdavfs: Minor change in string in Localizable.strings
Fixed problem with WebDAV authentication alert: null user and/or null password are legal values
Fixed problem with WebDAV should check the entire list when reclaiming cache files
Fixed problem with Multiple challenges w/in a single www authenticate header are not handled

xnu
Fixed problem with: Panic running Apache and Mail Server
Fixed problem with: Core dumping app wedges system
Fixed problem with: Kernel panic while browsing AFP volume in column view
Fixed problem with: Assertion failed: xnu-201/osfmk/vm/vm_resident.c line=677
Fixed problem with getnewbuf() should not try to clean the buffers on the same context
Fixed problem with interrupted I/O leads to file data corruption
Fixed problem with NAME: The Finder doesn't like Unicode surrogates
Fixed problem with vfs_utfconv.c missing 8 characters for compose/decompose
Fixed problem with cannot obtain FSRef of multiple-linked files
Fixed problem with FSGetCatalogInfo returns inconsistant lock bit settings in nodeFlags.
Fixed problem with panic "not exclusive lock holder" during Classic gdb session
Fixed problem with Vector and floating point context lost across sleep

and in the installer it said this:
The 10.1.1 update delivers improvements for many USB and FireWire devices, including support for additional digital cameras, and overall improvements to CD and DVD burning. Enhancements have been made to AFP, SMB, and WebDAV networking, as well as improved support for printing. This update also delivers better application compatibility, including updates to the Finder and Mail application. In addition, hardware accelerated video mirroring has been enabled for the new PowerBook G4.

kjb · Nov 7, 2001, 12:05 AM

Originally posted by PhreakOut X:
...as well as improved support for printing.

USB printer sharing?? (pretty please?)

Kevin

kelix · Nov 7, 2001, 12:08 AM

The Mac OS X 10.1.1 Build 5M13 will only work if you have the "Security Update 10-19-01" installed. There was over three pages of bug fixes in the document I received, most of them were very specific. Therefore, I have just listed the main issues that received bug fixes, anything truly significant I put in parenthesis.

Apple Share Client / AFP Server Firewire/MassStorage/SCSI IO ATS CoreGraphics, CoreGraphicsRIP DiscRecording (Increased support for Sony CD-RWs) Finder (Increased support for Authoring) HIToolbox HTMLDisplay ImageCaptureApp (Added support for 7 new Canon Models) KotoeriUIServer (revised MailApp) PrintingPlugins, PrintingCore Quickdraw Quickdraw, ATS QuickTime, IOQTComponents URL Access webdavfs (Support for Win2000 IIS Server) xnu (Panic when running Apache and Mail Server, Panic while browsing AFP in Column view)

As for when this release of Mac OS X 10.1.1 will be passed down via Software Update? I would assume in the neighborhood of less than two weeks. The build is very solid and all features from 10.1 have been retained. This looks good to go. Nice to see that those Apple Engineers are hard at work. Get some sleep guys, you deserve it. Until next time....

P.S. this build does seem faster no joke!

iamnotmad · Nov 7, 2001, 01:06 AM

Anyone know if the Quicksilver sleep issues have been solved?
Thanks.

oeyvind · Nov 7, 2001, 03:38 AM

anyone notice that 5M13 causes some Carbon apps to quits when starting up? Noted: IE, & Excel.

BTP · Nov 7, 2001, 04:58 AM

I have not noticed any problems with Carbon apps at all.

I have not noticed any speed increase, nor any changes in stability. This is a bug fix and since the issues addressed didn't concern me, I have not noticed any differences on 10.1.1 systems.

From what was updated, I have no idea how there could be any speed increase.

TC · Nov 7, 2001, 06:24 AM

When the hell are they going to sort out support for PCMCIA memory card readers?
Digital hub my arse!

TC · Nov 7, 2001, 06:48 AM

When the hell are they going to sort out support for PCMCIA memory card readers?
Digital hub my arse!

xi_hyperon · Nov 7, 2001, 09:51 AM

Originally posted by oeyvind:
anyone notice that 5M13 causes some Carbon apps to quits when starting up? Noted: IE, & Excel.

yes, I've seen this happen with IE.

oeyvind · Nov 7, 2001, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by xi_hyperon:


yes, I've seen this happen with IE.

update prebinding seem to be able to fixes the problem... works with me.