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daniel999 · Oct 8, 2003, 02:41 PM

Are there any software for Mac which I can write C++ or C program with?? I just started to learn C language

I saw people using Microsoft Visual Studio before and I quite like it, does it have a OSX version or is there any other programs that have a user interface similar to it? I don't like Borland C++, i think its hard to use for a newbi like me

CheesePuff · Oct 8, 2003, 02:55 PM

Apple Developer Tools - free.

Earth Mk. II · Oct 8, 2003, 03:14 PM

I second the DevTools from Apple. They're free and good. Especially for learning.

The DevTools should come with your OS X box, or in a disk image on a Mac that ships with OS X on it. But, you might also want to consider getting a free on-line developer account at http://connect.apple.com/ for access to the latest updates and downloads for the development tools.

kentuckyfried · Oct 8, 2003, 03:52 PM

all the GNU tools you might use at school are included...AWESOME stuff.

Originally posted by CheesePuff:
Apple Developer Tools - free.

CharlesS · Oct 8, 2003, 05:45 PM

Agreed about the Apple developer tools.

However, with the release of Panther on the 24th, they will release a new version of the dev tools named Xcode that appears to be a massive overhaul. You should have a look at that when it is available.

asidrane · Oct 9, 2003, 02:40 AM

You can always just do stuff in terminal. How advanced is your c? Vi or emacs is enough of an editor to learn basic data structures and gcc through the command line doe sa great job compiling.

daniel999 · Oct 9, 2003, 03:28 AM

I have used gcc, but i think for a newbi like me, its better to use visual studio like software as i think its easier for me to understand it. does gcc got mac version??

and btw, y the developer tools is so big? it takes me more then half an hour to install yesterday and it takes up about 5xx MB of HDD space!

VEGAN · Oct 9, 2003, 05:02 AM

Originally posted by daniel999:
I have used gcc, but i think for a newbi like me, its better to use visual studio like software as i think its easier for me to understand it. does gcc got mac version??

and btw, y the developer tools is so big? it takes me more then half an hour to install yesterday and it takes up about 5xx MB of HDD space!

gcc is included

fat mac moron · Oct 9, 2003, 08:46 AM

OS X is a great development platform with the tools available from Apple. Besides being able to program in C, C++, and Objective C, you also have access to Fortran, Perl, PHP, Java, Python, Lisp, Cobol, Eiffel, and Ruby, via the Fink Project. Plus digging into shell scripting and automation is a whole different animal.

Check out SubEthaEdit if you want a simple (Free) IDE that has syntax highlighting for C, C++, CSS, HTML, Java, Javascript, LaTeX, Objective-C, Pascal, Perl, PHP, Python, Ruby, SQL, and XML.

Earth Mk. II · Oct 9, 2003, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by daniel999:
I have used gcc, but i think for a newbi like me, its better to use visual studio like software as i think its easier for me to understand it. does gcc got mac version??

and btw, y the developer tools is so big? it takes me more then half an hour to install yesterday and it takes up about 5xx MB of HDD space!

Well, the Dev Tools are so big because you're installing the tools themselves, which include Interface Builder, Project Builder (which uses gcc and gdb), a bunch of debugging/optimization utilities, a bunch of unix tools (gcc and gdb as already mentioned, flex, bison, etc.), and example programs and documentation on how to use the tools and on the API's and such (don't get too excited, it's mostly technical documentation - but there is a tutorial or two).

You want to use Project Builder, and you want to create a new 'Standard Tool' project. This will set you up to use C. If you want to do C++, make a new 'C++ Tool' project.

Or you can use a line editor on the cli and run gcc that way ('gcc -o <output name> <source files>' for C, and 'g++ -o <output name> <source files>' for C++).

Each IDE is different, so PB won't be exactly like MS's suites - but I think it's close enough to what you want.

hope you're finding all this helpful.

daniel999 · Oct 9, 2003, 02:37 PM

Originally posted by Earth Mk. II:
Well, the Dev Tools are so big because you're installing the tools themselves, which include Interface Builder, Project Builder (which uses gcc and gdb), a bunch of debugging/optimization utilities, a bunch of unix tools (gcc and gdb as already mentioned, flex, bison, etc.), and example programs and documentation on how to use the tools and on the API's and such (don't get too excited, it's mostly technical documentation - but there is a tutorial or two).

You want to use Project Builder, and you want to create a new 'Standard Tool' project. This will set you up to use C. If you want to do C++, make a new 'C++ Tool' project.

Or you can use a line editor on the cli and run gcc that way ('gcc -o <output name> <source files>' for C, and 'g++ -o <output name> <source files>' for C++).

Each IDE is different, so PB won't be exactly like MS's suites - but I think it's close enough to what you want.

hope you're finding all this helpful.

Thanks! it helps

but what is "cli"?

theres already a "Hello World" when I start with a new project, but at the bottom line, its "return 0;". Is that the same as "return(0);" because thats what my tutor teaches me. is it different because its running on mac?

Thanks

mitchell_pgh · Oct 9, 2003, 03:31 PM

I do my shell scripts in TextEdit... works for me...

Angus_D · Oct 9, 2003, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by daniel999:
theres already a "Hello World" when I start with a new project, but at the bottom line, its "return 0;". Is that the same as "return(0);" because thats what my tutor teaches me. is it different because its running on mac?

I've never seen return(0) before. If anything, it's old old archaic syntax (return isn't a function). I don't think it's valid ANSI C89.

theolein · Oct 9, 2003, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by daniel999:
Thanks! it helps
but what is "cli"?

theres already a "Hello World" when I start with a new project, but at the bottom line, its "return 0;". Is that the same as "return(0);" because thats what my tutor teaches me. is it different because its running on mac?

Thanks

Isn't the "return(0);" C++? In C it's "return 0;" regardless of what platform you're on. Having a "return(0);" statement imples that a function called "return()" is being called, as opposed to the "return" statement in C (and in C++) which is a keyword. It implies a function that wraps return with perhaps some other functionality. You could also obfuscate (change) the return statement with a #define, so that "return 0;" becomes "return(0)".

If you have a lot of questions about coding though, I suggest you move over to the developer section of this forum, where there are more people who can help you.

moki · Oct 9, 2003, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by theolein:
Isn't the "return(0);" C++? In C it's "return 0;" regardless of what platform you're on. Having a "return(0);" statement imples that a function called "return()" is being called, as opposed to the "return" statement in C (and in C++) which is a keyword.

Nah, in both C/C++ the syntax is:

return expression

and ()'s are perfectly valid in any C/C++ expression. Same goes for many other C/C++ statements, such as switch

http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/webmonkeys/b....6.html#return

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de.../statem_18.asp

Earth Mk. II · Oct 9, 2003, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by daniel999:
Thanks! it helps
but what is "cli"?

theres already a "Hello World" when I start with a new project, but at the bottom line, its "return 0;". Is that the same as "return(0);" because thats what my tutor teaches me. is it different because its running on mac?

Thanks

CLI = Command Line Interface. A shell prompt (in Terminal.app) or command.com/cmd.exe in windows are examples of a CLI.

and I haven't seen "return(0);" anywhere before either, but, like moki said, it's just return expression, so it should work. Try it and find out.