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Feb 2, 2015, 12:16 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
More overpriced: Apple hardware or Broadband? The answer may surprise you!
In my dream, Apple isn't working by themselves, it works with the other tech companies, and they're collaborating on it. And I'm not just thinking about »cheaper cable«, I was thinking that they could integrate new wireless technologies, a sort of hybrid between LTE and WLAN, where each customer's router also acts as a nano cell/femto cell. So if you're a customer, you can travel someplace else and use that shared connection.
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Feb 2, 2015, 12:18 PM
 
I meant broadband in general. Because people love to bitch about apple.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
I meant broadband in general. Because people love to bitch about apple.
Ah, ok. But honestly, I don't think it can get much worse than it is now. What I'm missing is someone who reimagines the network as is suitable for the 21st century -- a sort of LTE moment for ISPs (with LTE the network was designed for data exchange first and voice second rather than the other way around). Instead of having a building with 20~30 wireless networks, how about having a few networks where the capacity is shared to some degree at least? How about pushing to increase speeds so that you enable new services (e. g. proper online storage and fast online backups and such)?
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Feb 2, 2015, 12:35 PM
 
Anyway, comments I've seen on other forums seem to suggest the article title is overblown – and poorly calculated. Though I wonder how far off it is.
     
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Feb 2, 2015, 12:51 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Anyway, comments I've seen on other forums seem to suggest the article title is overblown – and poorly calculated. Though I wonder how far off it is.
Honestly, I don't take the 97 % margin story seriously. But what is clear is that Comcast et al are among the most disliked companies out there, and that they do zilch to advance technology at a pace which is commensurate with the IT industry at large. They become the eye of the needle through which we have to thread through. Mobile carriers (for all of their deserved criticism) are investing money into networks, and download speeds via LTE are often faster than via your cable/DSL connection at home (at least that is true for me).
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Originally Posted by OreoCookie View Post
Mobile carriers (for all of their deserved criticism) are investing money into networks, and download speeds via LTE are often faster than via your cable/DSL connection at home (at least that is true for me).
Yeah, but mobile has caps. What's the point of great speed when you can't use it? I would think their margin is/will be even better, hence why they're trying to foist it on everyone.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Yeah, but mobile has caps. What's the point of great speed when you can't use it? I would think their margin is/will be even better, hence why they're trying to foist it on everyone.
Depending on where you are, so does broadband. With my first ISP, I had to pay extra to upgrade from a 80 GB/month to 120 GB/month cap. After switching, I got 300 GB/month with the (paid) option to go unlimited. Since I use 150~180 GB/month, I don't have to. But I take your point.
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Originally Posted by OreoCookie View Post
Depending on where you are, so does broadband.
The difference in caps is staggering, though, as far as I know. Like 2 GB and 5 GB vs 50 GB and 100.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
The difference in caps is staggering, though, as far as I know. Like 2 GB and 5 GB vs 50 GB and 100.
You're right, but even 100 GB is not enough for my purposes. In Japan, I had a flatrate from my carrier, and this allowed me to use my cell phone in entirely new ways (e. g. I could use iTunes Match and I did not need to care which song was downloaded to my iPhone and which wasn't).
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Originally Posted by OreoCookie View Post
You're right, but even 100 GB is not enough for my purposes.
The point being an equivalent cap on wireless would cost more than double wired.
     
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Feb 5, 2015, 06:35 AM
 
Surprised that nobody has linked this one yet. Title II might finally be happening:

http://forums.macnn.com/113/tech-new...nounces-title/

No LLU, but hey, it's a step in the right direction.
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Originally Posted by P View Post
Surprised that nobody has linked this one yet. Title II might finally be happening:

http://forums.macnn.com/113/tech-new...nounces-title/

No LLU, but hey, it's a step in the right direction.
Without a good degree of forbearance from the FCC, it's much more onerous than a simple local-loop unbundling.
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Feb 5, 2015, 09:35 AM
 
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Surprised that nobody has linked this one yet. Title II might finally be happening:
I've confused myself so much at this point that I'm not sure whether it's even safe to put a government maneuver in a Lounge thread. I've mostly stuck to trashing companies in this thread now.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
I've confused myself so much at this point that I'm not sure whether it's even safe to put a government maneuver in a Lounge thread. I've mostly stuck to trashing companies in this thread now.
I usually will take the conservative counterpoint in matters around here, much of the time if for no other reason than to play devil's advocate, but I hate ISPs so much that I can't even muster the desire to do it. These a**holes are so despicable in their business practices, they make oil companies and banks seem consumer friendly. F*** `em.
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I usually will take the conservative counterpoint in matters around here, much of the time if for no other reason than to play devil's advocate, but I hate ISPs so much that I can't even muster the desire to do it. These a**holes are so despicable in their business practices, they make oil companies and banks seem consumer friendly. F*** `em.
I'm not sure I would go that far.
     
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Feb 5, 2015, 10:37 AM
 
Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
C'mon, facts are facts.
You make a valid counter-point, but I'm still not sold.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
You make a valid counter-point, but I'm still not sold.
What would it take to sell you, Mr Asshole Dakar?

This is a joke, Dakar knows it, I'd say most around here know it. Geez.

Tech News and more: US ISP Changed Customer’s Name to “Asshole Brown” but is Totally Sorry


Whoever reported this, chill out.
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What would it take to sell you
I'm just finessing the issue, mentally. There's more to Comcast than internet, and oil and banks actions are less 'visible' in our day to day lives.

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Mr Asshole Dakar?
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Whoa, what balls they have.
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Feb 5, 2015, 02:46 PM
 
There's a point where you have to realize these are employees in a thankless and likely poorly paid job acting out.
     
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There's a point where you have to realize these are employees in a thankless and likely poorly paid job acting out.
And who are under a lot of pressure. In short, it's the ideal environment to bring the worst out in people.
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And who are under a lot of pressure. In short, it's the ideal environment to bring the worst out in people.
Yep, if Comcast's service (i.e., quality of installation + reliability) weren't so awful these people wouldn't have to deal with both volume and intensity of complaints. So either pay them more, fix your service, or enjoy the continued PR bath.
     
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The sales quotas on customer service are the biggest problem. They should be paid to help us (ie - for doing their job). Not paid to sell to us, and definitely not fired for failing to sell us stuff. Sending 'cancel' calls to Customer Retentions, with quotas, is obscene. They're paying retentions people to thwart our will, then rewarding them for success, and firing them for failure.
     
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That's a good point maybe the problem stems from that specific retentions department.
     
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This is literally unbelievable. This is C. Montgomery Burns level evil.
Comcast Accidentally Receives Customer’s Rent Check, Cashes It Anyway – Consumerist
When a 79-year-old Comcast customer accidentally included her rent check with her Comcast bill, not only did the cable company cash the check — which was more than 10 times the amount of her bill and was made out to someone else — but it also refused to issue her a refund when it acknowledged the goof.
     
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It shouldn't have been possible to cash a check made out to someone else. This brings up due diligence on the bank's part, and/or banking fraud. If you aren't the party the check is made out to, or a reasonable designee, it should be rejected by the bank.
     
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It shouldn't have been possible to cash a check made out to someone else. This brings up due diligence on the bank's part, and/or banking fraud. If you aren't the party the check is made out to, or a reasonable designee, it should be rejected by the bank.
Yup, that bothers me too. But then again, the bank not giving a shit isn't all that surprising.
     
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It's a side effect of digitizing the check clearing process. Checks are scanned, OCR'd... I wonder if they even scan the name part?

My bank ATM started doing deposits on checks without an envelope... watching the checks disappear into the machine, and then reading the display (accurately!) show the amounts, I felt a little like an old person. "there's a tiny wizard in there!"
     
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Anyone browsing without being on an encrypted/authenticated VPN is letting their ISP have access to all their private info and stats, I assumed that was pretty much a given.
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Anyone driving on public roads technically gives away where they're driving. Doesn't mean that stalking them is OK.
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Charging to not have your privacy invaded while already being charged for the service to begin with is an ...interesting strategy.

I would have thought PR wise it'd have been smarter to just not offer the more expensive option at all.
     
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Anyone browsing without being on an encrypted/authenticated VPN is letting their ISP have access to all their private info and stats, I assumed that was pretty much a given.
Of course, this is correct on the technical level, but are you sure that legally ISPs have the right to record and exploit this information? That's sort of like saying it's ok for the US Postal Service to scan and read postcards, and use that for their own purposes.
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Always assume that, unless it's stated otherwise, a company is going to use what information is available for their own purposes. Is it right? No, IMO it isn't, but that's as much as I trust just about anyone. With robust, full-featured VPN services starting at just $30-40 /year, unless you're on a shoestring budget, there's no good reason not to use one.
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That's sort of like saying it's ok for the US Postal Service to scan and read postcards, and use that for their own purposes.
The (US) Post Office does this, scanning front and back of all envelopes sent through the system. The info is provided to any interested government agency, so the NSA will be getting it all. Postcards do not have envelopes, so yes, they do read them. At least, a computer will. A human too if keywords are detected.

Use an envelope. Omit the return address if it's not critically important mail, so they can't connect the dots. If you get the recipient address right, the return address is almost never needed.
     
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With robust, full-featured VPN services starting at just $30-40 /year, unless you're on a shoestring budget, there's no good reason not to use one.
So at $29, AT&T has priced the service exactly right.
     
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Originally Posted by reader50 View Post
The (US) Post Office does this, scanning front and back of all envelopes sent through the system. The info is provided to any interested government agency, so the NSA will be getting it all. Postcards do not have envelopes, so yes, they do read them. At least, a computer will. A human too if keywords are detected.

Use an envelope. Omit the return address if it's not critically important mail, so they can't connect the dots. If you get the recipient address right, the return address is almost never needed.
Touché, I forgot about that.
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So at $29, AT&T has priced the service exactly right.
Whose VPN are you connecting to? Ah, I get it, you're talking about the $29 /month AT&T wants to charge you to not sell your info with everyone they can? No, that's not a VPN, at all, it's actually a lot more like blackmail. Also, $29 /month is a lot more than $35 /year.
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Whose VPN are you connecting to? Ah, I get it, you're talking about the $29 /month AT&T wants to charge you to not sell your info with everyone they can? No, that's not a VPN, at all, it's actually a lot more like blackmail. Also, $29 /month is a lot more than $35 /year.
No need to nitpick. Getting a VPN should not be necessary to have normal, decent internet service.
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Nitpick? Have you seen the internet in the US? Between the gov't hoarding every scrap of our private information (to later use against us) and our ISP monopoly, that's determined to sell us out to anyone with spare change (while shamelessly abusing us), anyone who isn't on a VPN is freaking nuts.
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Does VPN work when you're on cellular?
     
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Also, $29 /month is a lot more than $35 /year.
Yep, I misread that.
     
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
Nitpick? Have you seen the internet in the US? Between the gov't hoarding every scrap of our private information (to later use against us) and our ISP monopoly, that's determined to sell us out to anyone with spare change (while shamelessly abusing us), anyone who isn't on a VPN is freaking nuts.
I understand the situation very well, but it seems like a solution that approaches the problem from the wrong end. And moreover, even if you use a VPN, I don't see how that protects you against many forms of tracking, at the exit point of your VPN you just have a regular internet connection after all. If you want privacy, you need to run Tor.
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Yep, I misread that.
I figured you did.

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Does VPN work when you're on cellular?
Yes, it does, with iOS, Windows Mobile, Ubuntu, and Android, plus all the regular desktop OSes; Windows, OS X, Linux, etc..
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I figured you did.
I consider it good form to publicly admit it.
     
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I understand the situation very well, but it seems like a solution that approaches the problem from the wrong end. And moreover, even if you use a VPN, I don't see how that protects you against many forms of tracking, at the exit point of your VPN you just have a regular internet connection after all. If you want privacy, you need to run Tor.
Tor is being tracked by the NSA by running 1000s of their own nodes, and has been for a couple years, and has even compromised the browser source itself. That's how they nailed Dread Pirate Roberts. With an end-to-end encrypted VPN (like in the link I posted above) they only know you're doing something by snooping from the ISP or a network junction, not exactly what it is, unless they happen to be sitting on either end of the tunnel.
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That's how they nailed Dread Pirate Roberts.
They nailed him because the idiot posted under his real name once and then used his main email address subsequently. Ars covers this in depth.
     
 
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