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nonhuman · Jun 20, 2002, 07:14 PM

Two questions:
1) What would be the best way to get an XServe to serve and AirPort network (do they have a AirPort card slot)?

2) Where could one get a small rack?

[ 06-20-2002, 07:20 PM: Message edited by: nonhuman ]

misc · Jun 20, 2002, 11:09 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by nonhuman:
Two questions:
1) What would be the best way to get an XServe to serve and AirPort network (do they have a AirPort card slot)?<hr /></blockquote>Apple has no mention of an Airport slot, but if you look closely at the screenshots of the status software the IP's for the Xserves are 10. numbers, which means that they were running through an Airport card.

Rickster · Jun 21, 2002, 02:27 AM

Um, no.

The 10.x.x.x IP address range is reserved for private network use. Any IP network can use 10.x.x.x addresses, whether it's over Ethernet or AirPort or any other physical layer.

misc · Jun 21, 2002, 04:49 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Rickster:
Um, no.

The 10.x.x.x IP address range is reserved for private network use. Any IP network can use 10.x.x.x addresses, whether it's over Ethernet or AirPort or any other physical layer.<hr /></blockquote>Yeah, thats true. But why would Apple use a 10. number if it may interfere with their Airport networks? Doesn't make sense.

Scotttheking · Jun 21, 2002, 10:31 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by misc:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Rickster:
Um, no.

The 10.x.x.x IP address range is reserved for private network use. Any IP network can use 10.x.x.x addresses, whether it's over Ethernet or AirPort or any other physical layer.<hr /></blockquote>Yeah, thats true. But why would Apple use a 10. number if it may interfere with their Airport networks? Doesn't make sense.<hr /></blockquote>Because a lot use it, and airport can bridge just fine.
Anyone getting an XServe is going to be able to setup a few base stations as bridges.

Maneki Neko · Jun 22, 2002, 04:39 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by misc:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Rickster:
Um, no.

The 10.x.x.x IP address range is reserved for private network use. Any IP network can use 10.x.x.x addresses, whether it's over Ethernet or AirPort or any other physical layer.<hr /></blockquote>Yeah, thats true. But why would Apple use a 10. number if it may interfere with their Airport networks? Doesn't make sense.<hr /></blockquote>The company I work for uses the 10.X ip addressing scheme internally, many others probably do as well.

jaydog · Jun 22, 2002, 07:38 PM

Why would you use slow airport for it? why not use the 100 base t or the 1000baset ports its much faster.

nonhuman · Jun 22, 2002, 09:30 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jaydog:
Why would you use slow airport for it? why not use the 100 base t or the 1000baset ports its much faster.

<hr /></blockquote>One of the functions of it will be as a gateway to provide internet access. Mostly 100 baseT will be used to get the internet to people, but it would be nice if I had AirPort too, so I (and theoretically others) could move around with my PowerBook and still have internet without having to deal with cords.

Camelot · Jun 23, 2002, 04:11 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by nonhuman:
One of the functions of it will be as a gateway to provide internet access. Mostly 100 baseT will be used to get the internet to people, but it would be nice if I had AirPort too, so I (and theoretically others) could move around with my PowerBook and still have internet without having to deal with cords.<hr /></blockquote>Solution: Get an external base station and link it to the XServe via ethernet.

You'll be MUCH better of under this model for several reasons:

1) the XServe is likely to be racked in a metal cabinet or rack - This rack will serve very nicely as an electromagnetic shield, thereby reducing the signal strength from any antenna inside the cabinet.

2) In many locations, the server room is not the most efficient place to put a base station given the location of the users who need wireless access. Using ethernet to link the base station(s) lets you optimally position the base stations independent of where your server is located.

jaydog · Jun 23, 2002, 12:52 PM

Camelot at least there are some other people on the forum that can achly think strait.. =) and yes Camelot is 100% correct

jwblase · Jun 25, 2002, 04:58 PM

I think Camelot has the right idea. If I had a room of XServes serving my school, I would not want the wireless base stations to be contained in that room (In the subbasement, with lots of crap all around it.) Hardwire base stations in strategic places throughout the building so that anyone with an iBook/Powerbook could just set up in whatever room is available, not just the rooms with a good reception line to the server room.

JB

kamprath · Jun 25, 2002, 08:31 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by misc:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Rickster:
Um, no.

The 10.x.x.x IP address range is reserved for private network use. Any IP network can use 10.x.x.x addresses, whether it's over Ethernet or AirPort or any other physical layer.<hr /></blockquote>Yeah, thats true. But why would Apple use a 10. number if it may interfere with their Airport networks? Doesn't make sense.<hr /></blockquote>Recall that the Xserver can come with two ethernet cards. This is not to make it twice as fast on hte net, but so it can act as a bridge machine from one network to another. Many, many companies have a completely isolated internal IP network, and use a single machine (or maybe more, depending on size) to act as a gateway (and firewall) to the open internet for the inernal network. This means that all incoming and outgoing connections to every maching in the network must go through the gateway/firewall. Internal IP networks typically use the 10.x.x.x adress space. HAving a single gateways makes it much easier to set up a secure company network that still allows inernet access,

Now, if you really think hard, you'll realize that the airport base stations is a gateway/firewall between the "interrnal" network of the macs using airport cards through base stations and the "open network" of the ethernet/modem connection