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Svenmagnus
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Apr 5, 2002, 02:58 PM
 
Does anyone hate the dock as much as i do. Please tell me that i'm not alone out here!

Someone please tell me that there is a hack to kill the dock.

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Apr 5, 2002, 03:07 PM
 
I have heard of a few other people who hate the dock, but...

I don't. I think its one of the greatest features that Apple put into Mac OS X.
     
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Apr 5, 2002, 03:29 PM
 
Originally posted by Svenmagnus:
<STRONG>Does anyone hate the dock as much as i do. Please tell me that i'm not alone out here!

Someone please tell me that there is a hack to kill the dock.

[ 04-05-2002: Message edited by: Svenmagnus ]</STRONG>
Yeah there's a cool hack. Click Apple menu, click System Preferences, click Startup Disk and then click 'MacOS 9.2.x on IHateTheDock'. Hit 'Restart' to kill the dock.
     
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Apr 5, 2002, 03:34 PM
 
Some of the reason why the dock makes me so unhappy are best described by these links:

http://www-106.ibm.com/developerwork...ky15/?n-us-442

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http://www.asktog.com/columns/044top10docksucks.html
     
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Apr 5, 2002, 03:37 PM
 
The reason why you hate the dock is because you haven't found an app that takes advantage of some of the dock features such as icon badge visual feedback and docked app menus.

I have OW in my dock. It tells me right away when a site has been updated...I simply right-click on OW and open that site...without even having to bring the app to front.

I have Mail in my dock. It tells me right away when I got new mail.

I have Watson 1.5 in my dock. I can just right-click on the icon and go to the specific tool I wanna use right away...withoug having to bring the app to front.

I have Proteus in my dock. It tells me how many unread messages I've received. It tells me that I've received a message by bouncing once. I can set my status from the dock icon...without even having to bring the app to front.

I have Audion 2.6 in my dock. It gives me the remaining song time...I can skip to the next song...or choose to repeat the same song...or pause the song...without even having to bring the app to front.

Same with iTunes 2.

Of course...not everyone likes to have this efficiency. Some people are set in their ways and like to take the long paths.
     
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Apr 5, 2002, 03:41 PM
 
I am personally a big fan of the Dock.

But opinions differ.
     
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Apr 5, 2002, 03:42 PM
 
LOL!

I got news for these dweebs writing these pointless articles:

THE DOCK IS HERE TO STAY! GET USED TO IT OR USE ANOTHER OS!

It's that simple.

...or, you could use your time to write a hack that kills it. But that would require no bitching and moaning, so why do it?

Some people act like Mac OS X is forced upon them, and they have no other choice but to use it. I mean, if I had as many gripes with an OS as some of these people, I would not hesitate to STOP USING IT. If they continue to use an OS that they hate, then it's their own stupidity that is making them unhappy. Go figure.[/LIST]
     
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Apr 5, 2002, 03:43 PM
 
I like the Dock.

But if you wanted to kill it off, you could do this:

cd /System/Library/CoreServices

sudo rm -rf Dock.app

When you eventually get fed up and realize you want it back, download Pacifist to get it back.

[ 04-05-2002: Message edited by: CharlesS ]

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Apr 5, 2002, 03:48 PM
 
Originally posted by Svenmagnus:
<STRONG>Some of the reason why the dock makes me so unhappy are best described by these links:

http://www-106.ibm.com/developerwork...ky15/?n-us-442

and

http://www.asktog.com/columns/044top10docksucks.html</STRONG>
That's an old article from Tog. Most of those points are invalid now.

Tog's points 3 and 4 are irrelevant now...this was fixed a long time ago.

You create the dock...you know what's in your dock...therefore Tog's point number 8 and 9 are irrelevant.

If you minimize to the dock often, point number 7 might make sense (barely), if you don't, point 7 is irrelevant.

Now that you can position your dock on the left or right side of the screen, you don't need to waste precious vertical space. Point 10 only somewhat relevant.

Point 6 is relevant...of course, if your dock is full, or if you use the 'pin to corner' trick, the trash is in the corner.

Point 5 is simply ghey...of course if the dock is hidden you can't 'predict' if the cursor will land on what you want...but then again, you decided what goes into your dock, so you have a good idea where your stuff is.

Point 2 is an opinion from a disgruntled ex-Apple employee.

Point 1 is valid to some extent.

The list should be called 'Top 10 Reasons the Apple Dock Sucks for People With Alzheimers or Short-Term Memory Loss'
     
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Apr 5, 2002, 03:52 PM
 
Originally posted by CharlesS:
<STRONG>I like the Dock.

But if you wanted to kill it off, you could do this:

cd /System/Library/CoreServices

sudo rm -rf Dock.app

When you eventually get fed up and realize you want it back, download Pacifist to get it back.

[ 04-05-2002: Message edited by: CharlesS ]</STRONG>
Thanks for the tip , but isn't there some way of doing it without actually deleting any files?
     
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No.
     
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Apr 5, 2002, 04:43 PM
 
Originally posted by Svenmagnus:
<STRONG>

Thanks for the tip , but isn't there some way of doing it without actually deleting any files?</STRONG>
Well, you could:

cd /System/Library/CoreServices

sudo mv Dock.app /sometempfolder/

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Apr 5, 2002, 09:39 PM
 
I'm a fan of the dock! I think it's probably the single most important item for helping Apple win over some windows users....i think it's a great thing to have in a OS
     
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Apr 6, 2002, 10:06 AM
 
I like the Dock as well...before I discovered Launchbar it got crowded but now, OS bliss....
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Apr 6, 2002, 10:18 AM
 
The Dock sucks. I want to be able to mouse to the same place every time to launch something. Running applications should be in a different place. But the main reason that I hate it is that I've got about forty apps I use on a regular basis and I need (and want) layers. Draggable, clickable layers.

So I keep the dock hidden and use DragThing. Dock Schmock...
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Apr 9, 2002, 11:03 PM
 
I too think the dock is useless. I don't it being part of OS X. I just don't want to use it. I minimize it as small as possible, turn off magnification and hide it. I rarely see it except by accident. I keep a folder with about fifty aliases pointing to applications documents and folders. I like having things in a grid and I like having names attached to everything without having to scrub the mouse over them. Also, I made a background graphic for that window and sort the different kinds of aliases to different background colors making it easier to find what I am looking for.
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Apr 9, 2002, 11:42 PM
 
I really like the Dock, I just don't like the bouncing action when an app running in the background has changed (like when you're surfing and get an instant message). I wouldn't mind it so much if it didn't eat up so many resources; it really slows my computer down. I downloaded a hack once to stop it but I think it messed with my system so I trashed it.
     
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Apr 10, 2002, 02:25 AM
 
I think the dock sucks. I got rid of mine.

mv /System/Library/CoreServices/Dock.app /Applications

It resides in the standard applications folder so I can start it if I ever need it for something, but that never really happens. Would be nice to be able to use the '-' button on the application titlebars to hide a window instead of minimize it to the dock, if the dock isn't there...

- Mike
     
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Apr 10, 2002, 02:44 AM
 
Originally posted by T u r b o:
<STRONG>I think the dock sucks. I got rid of mine.

mv /System/Library/CoreServices/Dock.app /Applications

It resides in the standard applications folder so I can start it if I ever need it for something, but that never really happens. Would be nice to be able to use the '-' button on the application titlebars to hide a window instead of minimize it to the dock, if the dock isn't there...

- Mike</STRONG>
Can't WindowShade X do that?

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Apr 10, 2002, 02:54 AM
 
Originally posted by CharlesS:
<STRONG>

Can't WindowShade X do that?</STRONG>
Not version v1.5. It has an option to hide the entire application, but not just a single window...

- Mike
     
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Apr 11, 2002, 03:47 PM
 
While I am a HUGE fan of the dock I do see the need to be able to disable it for users that do not want it....although if you hide it what damage is being done?
     
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Apr 11, 2002, 05:38 PM
 
The damage that is done by just hiding the dock is that the damn thing pops up whenever you accidentally mouse to the bottom of the screen (or wherever your dock is). And it annoys you by bouncing icons even when hidden. And I don't want to install a haxie (although I like them) to get rid of a "feature" I don't want. I'd rather just turn the dock off. But then I wouldn't be able to minimize windows.
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Apr 11, 2002, 09:42 PM
 
Originally posted by T u r b o:
<STRONG>I think the dock sucks. I got rid of mine.

mv /System/Library/CoreServices/Dock.app /Applications

It resides in the standard applications folder so I can start it if I ever need it for something, but that never really happens. Would be nice to be able to use the '-' button on the application titlebars to hide a window instead of minimize it to the dock, if the dock isn't there...

- Mike</STRONG>

What happens if you hide or minimize an application? How do you get back to it?

Just curious.

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Apr 11, 2002, 11:58 PM
 
Originally posted by symonsl:
<STRONG>


What happens if you hide or minimize an application? How do you get back to it?

Just curious.

[ 04-11-2002: Message edited by: symonsl ]</STRONG>
I use ASM. It restores the application menu at the top right of the screen that we had in OS 9. I also put a trash can on the desk top (I think it is called wastebasket, but I never use it. Just control–click to get the contextual menu and delete from there.
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Originally posted by smeger:
<STRONG>The Dock sucks. I want to be able to mouse to the same place every time to launch something. Running applications should be in a different place. But the main reason that I hate it is that I've got about forty apps I use on a regular basis and I need (and want) layers. Draggable, clickable layers.

So I keep the dock hidden and use DragThing. Dock Schmock...</STRONG>
I have come to like the dock very much now that I can put it on the right hand side of the screen where it belongs! I really use it for (1) real time feedback of memory, cpu, and network use and to keep a visual list of my running apps.

For a launcher, that (IMHO) even beats Launchbar, try this:

1. Get a multi-button mouse.
2. Get MaxMenus
3. Get USB Overdrive.
4. Make a launch menu (folder full of file aliases). with MaxMenus. Assign this something like &lt;f9&gt; to pop it up.
5. Uses USB OD to assign, say, "middle button click" to type &lt;f9&gt;.

Presto, a launcher that pops up under your mouse cursor! Can't get much easier than that.

You can go further and assign a full hierarchical file browser that pops up under the mouse cursor.

Since USB OD has the ability to create sets of customized mouse button assignments that change from one application to the next, you can even make your popup menus application specific.

However you proceed, the trick for me was to convert the dock into sort of a "task bar on steroids" and put file browsing and app launching somewhere else. Then I was very happy with it.
     
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Originally posted by symonsl:
<STRONG>

What happens if you hide or minimize an application? How do you get back to it?

Just curious.
[ 04-11-2002: Message edited by: symonsl ]</STRONG>
I use Keyboard Maestro, and Opt-Tab between programs. One thing that is missing though, is the ability to cycle through an applications individual windows. Is there something out there that provides this yet? I used to have one program for OS9 that provided both, and I had them assigned to Opt-Tab and Ctrl-Tab, and it was great. I've long forgotten the name of the OS9 program since I haven't used it for over a year, but I still miss it, and would love something like this for OSX.

- Mike
     
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Apr 15, 2002, 08:46 PM
 
I love the Dock. I love having all my commonly used apps right there for opening and controlling.

I don't understand the use of other Dock-like programs. They look like crap and they have a bunch of functionality I don't want. The Dock isn't perfect but once you are familiar with it, it's great.

I love AIM apps like Adium and Fire which can give you a single bounce to get your attention then flash until you read the IM. It's such an easy way to see what's going on.

Progress bars in the Dock are cool too. As more and more developers take advantage of the Dock's capabilities, it becomes better and better (and that much more of a reason to not look twice at other Dock-like apps).
     
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Originally posted by &lt;Turbo&gt;:
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I use Keyboard Maestro, and Opt-Tab between programs. One thing that is missing though, is the ability to cycle through an applications individual windows. Is there something out there that provides this yet? I used to have one program for OS9 that provided both, and I had them assigned to Opt-Tab and Ctrl-Tab, and it was great. I've long forgotten the name of the OS9 program since I haven't used it for over a year, but I still miss it, and would love something like this for OSX.

- Mike</STRONG>
The name of the Classic Mac OS application you were using is Program Switcher, which I wrote. I also wrote Keyboard Maestro, so you'd think I'd put the window switching in there. Unfortunately, under MacOS X, due to "protected memory" and all those other cool things, I can't "hack" the system like I could under Classic MacOS. The window switcher was definately a system hack. As a result, I need to depend on the APIs that Apple provides, and they have provided none that support the implementation of a global window switcher. I have requested it from them many, many times. Now, others have reverse engineered the "window server" and have been able to get to system level calls that would enable a utility to implement a "window switcher". I have even wrote private prototype code exploiting the undocument & unsupported and made a window switcher to prove to myseld what needs to be done. However, since it is undocumented, unsupported, and definately a "hack" (a no-no under "protected memory"), I will not publish a product based on it - that is, I will not knowing create a utility that technically violates system security and creates potential instabilities. Instead, I have been (unsuccessfully) lobbying Apple to open up the API that Dock depends on to get it's window list of each application so 3rd party developers can create others spins on the same functionality.

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Originally posted by kamprath:
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The name of the Classic Mac OS application you were using is Program Switcher, which I wrote. I also wrote Keyboard Maestro, so you'd think I'd put the window switching in there. Unfortunately, under MacOS X, due to "protected memory" and all those other cool things, I can't "hack" the system like I could under Classic MacOS. The window switcher was definately a system hack. As a result, I need to depend on the APIs that Apple provides, and they have provided none that support the implementation of a global window switcher. I have requested it from them many, many times. Now, others have reverse engineered the "window server" and have been able to get to system level calls that would enable a utility to implement a "window switcher". I have even wrote private prototype code exploiting the undocument & unsupported and made a window switcher to prove to myseld what needs to be done. However, since it is undocumented, unsupported, and definately a "hack" (a no-no under "protected memory"), I will not publish a product based on it - that is, I will not knowing create a utility that technically violates system security and creates potential instabilities. Instead, I have been (unsuccessfully) lobbying Apple to open up the API that Dock depends on to get it's window list of each application so 3rd party developers can create others spins on the same functionality.

Michael Kamprath</STRONG>
If a hack was good enough for OS9, why isn't it good enough now?

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Apr 19, 2002, 01:47 AM
 
Originally posted by T u r b o:
<STRONG>I think the dock sucks. I got rid of mine.

mv /System/Library/CoreServices/Dock.app /Applications

It resides in the standard applications folder so I can start it if I ever need it for something, but that never really happens. Would be nice to be able to use the '-' button on the application titlebars to hide a window instead of minimize it to the dock, if the dock isn't there...

- Mike</STRONG>
Technically wouldn't that replace the Applications folder with Dock.app? Shouldn't it be...

sudo mv /System/Library/CoreServices/Dock.app /Applications/Dock.app

Don't want to screw anyone up...
     
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Originally posted by Synotic:
<STRONG>Technically wouldn't that replace the Applications folder with Dock.app? Shouldn't it be...

sudo mv /System/Library/CoreServices/Dock.app /Applications/Dock.app

Don't want to screw anyone up...</STRONG>
Ha... do you think unix would allow you to simply replace a directory by accident like this? If the target of a cp, mv, or other such action is a directory, it is assumed that you meant to target inside that directory -- i.e. sudo mv /System/Library/CoreServices/Dock.app /Applications is automatically translated to sudo mv /System/Library/CoreServices/Dock.app /Applications/Dock.app. Don't sweat it, dude.
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"If a hack was good enough for OS9, why isn't it good enough now?"

Because in X it can crash the system?
     
   
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