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driven · Jul 13, 2002, 05:39 PM

For those of you who have left your home country to travel someplace else on Earth, where is your favorite destination?

And WHY did you like it?

philzilla · Jul 13, 2002, 06:47 PM

Holland: two words - RED LIGHT

India: truly wonderful place, lots to see, very hot. bad poverty though. the Taj Mahal is definitely a chick thing though

Singapore: bloody hot! it's like living in a sauna! not good for vegetarians though, unless you don't mind eating pizza & fries, or noodles all the time (which i didn't

). you have to drink gin in Raffles though, that's the law!

Australia: again, loads to see. you have to get out to the Barrier Reef before you die. it rules!

Hawaii: do i really need to justify why Hawaii rules? heh!

West US: saw all those Canyons and Valleys. nice eye candy! San Fransisco rules too, cool place. cheesy, but i thought Hollywood was cool. i hear Stockton has a couple of attractions too, i'll have to go there some day <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

East US: New York. 'nuff said. APU, Mike? the beers are on you guys next time i'm there. got that? <img border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" title="" src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" />

iBabo · Jul 13, 2002, 07:01 PM

Paris- its just the coolest city, im probably gonna mve there

yerevan, Armenia- its ike no other place, not like russia, not like iran, not like turkey, not like europe..its armenia

london- second favorite place after paris....

kind of ironic, of all the places iv been to, the one place i hate the most is where i live.(LA)

mchladek · Jul 13, 2002, 08:10 PM

Let's see it's been about six years since I've been to these places, but they're still somewhat fresh in the mind:

Italy: Bologna, Milano, Rome, Florence, and Venice. All are absolutely gorgeous. It's amazing to see so many buildings from early to mid 2nd Millenium. As opposed to the US where everything is so 19th and 20th Century. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> I think my fav was probably Bologna. Maybe because I stayed a week there (about 2-4 days everywhere else). There were so many back streets and little shops/caf�s everywhere. Really Cool!!!

Germany: Munich. This was a really neat city. It seemed very diverse (or at least that's how I remember it). I also made it over to the Dachau concentration camp (that was quite sad/depressing, but EVERYONE needs to see it). I got to go to Neuschwanstein castle and of course the famous Munich Glockenspiel. The people were very friendly and helpful, and the food is really, really good: Brautworsts and Wiener Schnitzel. Although I'm a vegetarian now, I wasn't six years ago <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

France: Paris. It was quite a nice city. Of course you have the eiffel tower, opera house, Louvre, and Versailles. All very worth while. Maybe I was just in a bad mood while there or something but I didn't really like the People all that much. They seemed kinda snobbish. I went back to Paris last year and had a lot better experience. I don't know if I changed a lot in six years or the people did, but everyone seemed a lot friendlier for some reason

Anyway, I had a really great time the second time around.

Then, it would have been four years ago, I went to Cancun. It's a really neat place, of course.

Like I said above there I went back to Paris last year. At that time I also went up to Northern France (Rouen, Normandy area). It was very gorgeous up there (albeit rainy and cold everyday

). Some of the sites I saw were Mont St. Michel, St. Malo, and Cathedral of Chartes. All are extremely awesome, especially Mont St. Michel and St. Malo because they're little mediaeval villages. And Chartes was quite cool just because of the vastness of it all: high ceiling, beautiful gothic architecture, wonderful stained glass, etc. And another nice thing was that the people were quite cool in N. France.

At that time I also went up to London--it was the greatest. I think London is my favourite city in the world right now. Everything was just wonderful. I can't even begin to describe it in words. Sorry philzilla, didn't make it up to Liverpool, maybe next time <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

fulmer · Jul 13, 2002, 08:17 PM

I'm writing this from a flat in St. Petersburg, Russia. It is 4 AM here and I'm still somewhat on EST, though I've never liked going to bed early. My iBook 700 with OS X works great. Pulse dialing, of course, and I'm using one of those Internet cards sold at Sberbank Rossii (state bank of russia). Surprisingly I'm getting faster speeds here in this old apartment building than I do in the States.

[ 07-13-2002, 08:19 PM: Message edited by: fulmer ]

mchladek · Jul 13, 2002, 08:26 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by fulmer:
Surprisingly I'm getting faster speeds here in this old apartment building than I do in the States.

<hr /></blockquote>Hehe! Maybe I should move over there <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Russia's always seemed like a really cool place to visit. What's it like?

MacGorilla · Jul 13, 2002, 08:55 PM

I recently returned from a trip to England:

York: Wonderful city, I loved the people and the sights. Good pubs!

Cambridge: Wonderful eye candy. Interesting to see a city built among universities.

London: Well, London is London. Spent a lot of time at the Tower of London, one of my favorite places on earth. Had really good pasta at a small Italian place near my hotel.

Canterbury: Interesting seeing the Canterbury Tales museum and examples of Roman cement in the wall.

fulmer · Jul 14, 2002, 12:44 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mchladek:
 Maybe I should move over there <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Russia's always seemed like a really cool place to visit. What's it like?<hr /></blockquote>It is interesting. If you ever go and come with no knowledge of Russian, then coming as a student or part of a tourist-student group is good. If one's skills are good and one has prior experience in Russia, then a group isn't so necessary. Lots of people speak English, as is the case in much of the world, but a quality effort in their language is appreciated.

Russia itself is packed full of beautiful women (especially in Petersburg, where they wear very skimpy stuff in the summer), good food (though I'm not a fan of Russian cuisine), and noticeable freedom. Us foreign folks might complain and freak out about Putin or the gov't, but the fact is that individual freedom is substantial: you can buy a wide variety of consumer goods; you can travel about the country with minimal hassle; can talk bad or good about the government if that is your pleasure; drink beer outside; leave the country freely (i.e., immigrating); etc.

Don't hassle the police and be prepared to pay, um, 'fines' immediately. Such fines may be levied late at night when the police on duty are intoxicated and need you to subsidize their next bottle of vodka. It is unfortunate, but 30 rubles ($1 USD) well-spent. Also, they can stop you at any time and ask for identification. In Petersburg I don't carry around my visa and passport, but in Moscow (where security is much tighter) I do. However, I've never been stopped--mainly they stop dark-skinned people from the Caucasus (most are dark-skinned).

Any specific questions I'll be happy to answer.

7Macfreak · Jul 14, 2002, 05:08 AM

I've travelled quite a bit, but i'm not sure if there's a particular city i'd prefer to go back to. Maybe New York city (or Mumbai!). Or any big city for that matter. Just no place in particular right now.
A great place that isnt as commercialized yet, is Bhutan(however, they did have some Macs at a library!). A very beautiful country. I was there about 5 years ago, so it could be more commercialized now(perhaps some iMacs now). Some cities/towns in north india were pretty nice too.
Singapre seemed to have EVERYTHING but its own culture. It always seemed like 'something' was missing. I dunno if it was 'something' in the women or the food, or whatever, but i didnt find it complete.
Dubai is another nice city(even tho its one HOT city). But i'd never want to live there.
Jakarta..... um.. a nice city, but i'd say its more fun there only if you socialize alot.
Havent been to Europe too much. Perhaps in a year or so.
i'm not gonna comment on north american cities, since i'm sure most of you have an idea about that already.

p.s. south india has some GREAT food.

M�lum · Jul 14, 2002, 06:10 AM

I will list only the larger places I've been too. A full list would take up several pages.

Paris- maybe one of the best cities to visit, but I would never want to live there again ( 3 years I lived near the Seine)

San Francisco- beautiful city, nice restaurants, climate is not the best, beaches are useless. Could live there though.

Los Angeles- strange place. Stayed in Westwood for several months, nice area, have many friends there, but I wouldn't want to live there.

New York- stayed there several months, on different occasions. It never impressed me that much. The buildings are tall and that's about it. Frick collection is something I visit every time though, maybe one of the best private art collections around. Terrible transport, cockroaches and confusion are put-offs.

Boston-(cambridge) Nice place, boring after a while. Beautiful surroundings.

Montreal- Nice city, nice people, nice food, nasty winters (this year I will celebrate christmas/new year in Toronto, brrrrrr!)

Vancouver- beautiful surroundings, ugly place

Seatlle- one of the most boring and ugly places I've been (my sister lives there but it's not her fault)

Buenos Aires- chaotic, very Italian city. nice food, nice people, but not for me.

Tokyo- I love the place. It's not vey beautiful but very intriguing. Nice food!! bad coffee (dutour or starbucks, what a choice) shoppers paradise. Full of Japanese.
the best recordshop in the world (tower records in Shibuya)
Nasty summer climate.

Osaka- I was a bit dissapointed, but it's a nice place. even worse summer climate.

Kyoto- just beautiful, one of my favourite places ever. Katsura Rikyu is soo beautiful.

Fukuoka- nothing interesting about this place, ugly beaches. But one fantastic restaurant where I spend an absolute fortune for having dinner ($300 each)

Hong Kong- I love this place, full of energy. Not much has changed since it became Chinese I feel. At night it's fantastic.

Singapore- I hate this place. fascist Disneyland. The only nice thing was the sateh club, which they broke down (for real estate)

Bankok- ugly and polluted but with nice ancient sites. People are obsessed with sex, not in a healthy way though.

Perth- (Freemantle) Very nice beaches and surroundings. Worst drivers on this planet (and never a Hyunday Pony without Airco in hot summer again)

Adelaide- I cannot remember a lot of this place, not a good sign.

Canberra-strange, just strange. Nice science museum.

Sydney- Nice city, beautiful harbour. People are a bit obsessed with themselves, especially now after the Olympics. They really think they are better then others, rather irritating. Nice sushi at the fishmarket.

Melbourne- Nice but boring.

Auckland. Not for me, boring.

Wellington- much nicer. fantastic bushwalks and surroundings (lord of the rings) but the WIND! (and full of drunks, but really full of drunks)

Christchurch- A nice little town, beautiful places to visit around town, but also here... the WIND!!! Nice jetboating.

Capetown- Paradise (if you forget about the townships). One of the most beautiful places I've been to (several times) but crime is getting a problem here too, not like Joburgh though.

Nairobi- not very interesting as a town, but the Masai Mara is soooo beautiful (although the best safari was in the national park)

Addis Abeba-dangerous, don't go there ever again. Nothing to see anyway.

Tunis- some very nice sites, every man wants to f#ck you, amazing. Don't go there with short trousers, unless that's what you're after.

Rabat- some sites are fantastic. One of the guards at the mausoleum asked me which hotel I was staying that night ?!?!

Casablanca- Ugly. One of the biggest Mosques in the world, rather impressive, but very kitch.

Ankara-just ugly.

Istanbul- fantastic place. Nice people, amazing historic sites.

Athens- very, but very dissapointing. Except of the old greek art.

Saloniki- Ugly, ugly, ugly. I hated this place.

London- My favourite city. It has everything. But you need money, money, money.

Edinburgh- one of the most beautiful places on this planet. Nice people, cliamte is not too bad. Food is bad. Beautiful day trips around town.

Belfast- Ugly, nice people though. Last time I was there it was still very dangerous (and i stayed in the most bombed hotel aswell)

Barcelona-My next hometown I think. FANATASTIC. I've been there several months and just love the place, the food (but not all), the people, the enthousiasm of doing something new, the art. Almost perfect.

Madrid- not my place. The Prado is a must though.

Lisbon-very nice place, nice people, heavy food.

Maseille- nice but tyring city. You get drunk very quickly (most places serve a thrird Pastis for free. Nothing worse (and dangerous apparently) then a Pastis hangover)

Zurich- maybe the only place in Swissland that is alive, but it remains Swiss.

Vienna-not my cup of tea. except Egon Schiele etc.

Berlin- I hate Berlin now. It thinks it's Paris, but it is not. People are lonely and selfish. Terrible airport.

Amsterdam- I'm bored with those porn/drug tourists. Amsterdam has so much more interesting things to offer. There are nice towns in Holland though. (Utrecht, Maastricht, Nijmegen)

Antwerpen-If the climate wasn't so bad (rain and misery all the time) I would live there. FANTASTIC food, shops, exhibitions, nightlife. It reaaly has it all. (in my opinion THE most fun city at the moment)

Copenhagen- I was ver dissapointed by the Danes. I thought they were nice people, but they are not. It is a beautiful place to visit though.

Rome- The most beautiful place to visit. The more I visit Rome, the more I like it. After a while you get used to the irritating roman behaviour. I could live here.

Florence-very beautiful but only for visiting.

Milano-ugly, pretentious people, the whole town is a huge carpark.

Venice- what can I say? The most special place on earth. It's hard to live here, unless you travel a lot, like I do.

Shame · Jul 14, 2002, 06:28 AM

London - Yeah. It has everything. The good and the bad. Both cost too much.

Paris - Romantic? My ass. It's polutted and violent. Racist too.

Kitzbuhl - great for skiing and beer.

Milan - Dirtiest ****hole in the world. Yes, a big car park.

Florence - Very nice indeed. An artists city.

Bologna - Another nice city with good historic sites.

Sienna - A really beautiful city with an interesting history and great smal restaurants.

Bombay - Nicest and most intelligent people you can meet, great night life, polluted beaches.

Dubai - One big Tottenham Court Road. It's like a maze of electronic shops and you just walk around haggling. You can't get a drink unless you break some laws. Prayer call five times a day so forget about daytime napping.

-LA. Hot ass city with almost no street life. You have to go to the tourist areas otherwise its just a dead city with a massive class divide.

-San Francisco. Everything an American city should be.

Sven G · Jul 14, 2002, 07:03 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Milano - ugly, pretentious people, the whole town is a huge carpark.

Milan - Dirtiest ****hole in the world. Yes, a big car park.<hr /></blockquote><img border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" title="" src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" />

Of course, you are both partially right, regrettably!

... But, anyway, I'd encourage those who haven't seen Milan to visit it: there are quite many - also "hidden" - beauties, especially in the historic centre - for example, Brera, Navigli, Castello Sforzesco, Porta Venezia district, etc.; and, of course, the pigeon-infested (sh�t-warning!) Piazza Duomo and surroundings (the "original" city centre). There are also quite a lot of attractions for those - like me - who also like more modern architectures: see the Pirelli building, the towers on the Porta Garibaldi station, the Torre Velasca (really interesting: essentially a middle ages tower reproposed as a modern - from the '50s - "skyscraper" architecture) near the city centre, the Triennale, etc.

(See also, for example: <a href="http://welmilano.itcons.com" target="_blank">http://welmilano.itcons.com</a> )

I'd also like to add a few more "destinations", in addition to those great ones already explored:

- �rhus, in Denmark (Jylland): a beautiful and *very* friendly city (I lived there 7 years as a kid);

- Genoa and Naples: a must-see (very interesting "sea"-people; and, in Naples, also one of the most modern and functional central train stations in Europe!);

- Sicily, in particular southern Sicily, with beautiful beaches (very fine sand), and also some quite interesting, "classical" and baroque towns (Syracuse, Agrigento, Noto, etc.).

P.S.: Bologna is (or was...?) also rather known in Italy for having quite "hot" women! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

[ 07-14-2002, 07:22 AM: Message edited by: Sven G ]

M�lum · Jul 14, 2002, 07:21 AM

Of course milano has some nice things to offer. Almost any city has. But the carpark problem is everywhere in Milano. And the people have this "I am so important get out of my way attitude" that I really hate.

Bolgna is a beautiful city, but the noise! Amazing how noisy this city is. (thanks to the arcade architecture)

SimeyTheLimey · Jul 14, 2002, 08:53 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by driven:
For those of you who have left your home country to travel someplace else on Earth, where is your favorite destination?

And WHY did you like it?<hr /></blockquote>Do you mean to live in, or just to visit?

There are places that I have visited that I really enjoyed. Berlin, London, Paris, Milan, Florence, Rome, Naples, Siena, Prague, Budapest, Brussels, Luxembourg, Amsterdam, Munich, etc, etc. But I haven't lived in any of these cities so I wouldn't say I was qualified to comment about them from an insider's point of view.

So, limiting things to places where I have lived:

Buckinghamshire, England. I lived in a very cute village outside Aylesbury. It was a great place to spend my childhood (<10 years old). If you have kids, an English village is great. Totally safe and lots of fun outdoorsey things to do.

Suffolk, England. I lived in the town of Woodbridge from age 10-21. Very cute place, quiet and safe. As I got older, it became a bit too quiet and safe and most of my friends left roughly when I did. It would be a great place to retire to, though.

Washington, DC. DC is a great place if you ae a professional. But when I first moved here I was decidedly not a professional and I found it very tough. That was one of the reasons I joined the Army, which among other places sent me to , , ,

Rural Louisiana. What a dump!! If you are into shootin' and fishin' and drankin' it would be heaven. But I missed things like bookstores that didn't only sell the Bible.

Mannheim, Germany. Much more my style. I spent a very happy year and a half there. It's big enough that there is lots to do, but small enough that I didn't fell lost. Plus it was conveniently located near places like Heidelburg and with 3 Autobahns nearby, travel was easy.

Bad Kreuznach, Germany. A much smaller country spa town where I spent the balance of my 3 years in Germany. Much quieter than Mannheim and I missed some of the night life, but it had its compensations. Weekend cycling trips through the vinyards to the Rhein were particularly nice.

Back to DC. DC has gotten a lot better in the last decade. Crime is down, and our government is less corrupt. DC always has lots to do, is relatively compact and is culturally diverse. It will always be in the shadow of New York, though, and it is very expensive. Traffic and parking is also a nightmare.

frido:mac · Jul 14, 2002, 09:16 AM

My absolute favourite is Seattle: Nice city, friendly people and the best kiteflying on earth...:-) And you can be either on a mountain or at the sea in a 1.5 hr drive....

Bye, Frido.

theolein · Jul 14, 2002, 09:33 AM

Travelled internationally???
A little bit.
Europe, all over.
Favourite City in Europe -- Berlin. Has everything and everyone and is affordable. Millions of bars and clubs. Art for those who want art.
Favourite country -- France. Loved Bordeaux, Biarritz, Dordogne. Les belles fran�aises sont les meileures. Food and wine and country and climate, wow!
Second favourite country -- Holland. Rotterdam is much better for real people than Amsterdam. Good beer, good music, lots of tall blondes and friendly people.
Worked and lived in Turkey, near to Antalya -- Beautiful countryside. Good food. Oversensitive but interesting people.
Israel -- sucks badly. I hated it. Everyone will try to rip you off. ****ing permanent war zone. However they make up for it with great parties on the beaches I have heard.
Southern Africa -- where I come from and has just about everything. Massive cultural mix of white European, black African, mixed Malaysian, Indian and Chinese. Tropical jungle, African steppe/bush, desert, amazing coastal stretches, accessible mountains. In general people talkative and friendly. Can get mugged pronto though.
Australia -- Big, beautiful. Nice, friendly people. Good beer. Good place to go if you can surf.

[ 07-14-2002, 09:55 AM: Message edited by: theolein ]

theolein · Jul 14, 2002, 09:50 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by M�lum:
I will list only the larger places I've been too. A full list would take up several pages.
....

Capetown- Paradise (if you forget about the townships). One of the most beautiful places I've been to (several times) but crime is getting a problem here too, not like Joburgh though.

...<hr /></blockquote>Mad props, raggaz! You have really been all over the place. Now I'm back earning money I am making my plans for heading back home to Capetown or to Australia (I loved the great ocean road west of melbourne. It's as boring as hell, but it sort of grew on me). Dead right about Joburg. Big, dirty and very, very dangerous. Places I used to live when I was at university there are now no go areas.

The Jackalope · Jul 14, 2002, 12:12 PM

I really enjoyed London, but it has been almost 23 years since I have been there, so I don't think that I could really comment about it since I am no longer a young teen and I'm sure things have changed from the days where my dad and I saw "The Great Rock And Roll Swindle" at a theater in Brixton.

Otherwise....

Hawaii...now this is a great place to visit. I mostly talk about the island of Oahu since that is where I lived for 6 years. If you do go, try and get out of Waikiki as soon as possible. A rental car is a must, and some maps. Don't try to talk pidgin though...get one monster stink eye from locals, brah. Great food, and swell people (although like all places, jerks are everywhere as well). Don't be afraid to try new things...Hawaii is the center of the Pacific, where all the cultures come and converge. You will find McDonalds next to little shave ice stores that sell li hing mui gummy bears. Go for it.

Japan...I originally went in 1984 with my pop, a lifelong dream. I had one hell of a time there, but was only there for 2 weeks. This was also back in the day of my anime obsession (ah, youth again...) and I didn't see as many other cultural areas as I should have. I am still kicking myself for not going to see Dr. Fukushi's collection of tattoos...oh well..
Over the past 2 years, I have been going back to Japan to work and visit for a couple months at a time. Mostly I stay in Osaka, but hit Tokyo as well.
Tokyo is the Mega-City. It is so dense, full of life, and has so many little pockets of hidden streets that it completely mind blowing. The first time one comes out of a train station and sees tens of thousands of people mulling around while three buildings have 10 story tall television screens blaring ads at the crowd, you will feel like you are on Mars or something. Despite this, you can still find great little areas of quiet.
Osaka is the older style city. Not the cleanest place I've ever been, but it has a charm that compels me to go back every year. Kansai people are quicker to laugh, a bit looser, and have a sense of humor that I find easy to get along with. Saying that Osaka has a lot of restaurants is an understatement. I believe that it is known as a food capital in Japan... And another nice thing is that it is pretty easy to get out of town and get some nature in. Hotter than the devil's armpit in the summer though. HUMID. Stores where you could buy anything you wanted, and then some. People watching on the Dontonbori bridge on friday/saturday nights is a sport within itself.

Going back to Japan in a few weeks for a short 3 week trip this time...I might move there for 3 months next May...

Nimisys · Jul 14, 2002, 12:55 PM

tijuana, mexico - dirtiest place there is, amazing the differece of a 1st world country and a 3rd workld county considereinr theres only a fence seperating them. but good cheap drinks and many a club

ensinata, mexico - a real mexican costal town, ggod food, less dirty, exceleent fishing

la, usa - why people liove in this hell hole i do not know ( and yes it counts as another countyr, its so damn weird)

t_hah · Jul 14, 2002, 02:17 PM

My favorite place is Venice. Gotta love those narrow streets, the fact that there are no cars in the city, the Italian pizza, and the pretty women. There is also a place called Lido di Jesolo not too far from Venice which has tons of restaurants (miles long street packed with shops, restaurants, bars and dance places). I love going there.

I really like Hungary as well. Very interesting culture, beautiful cities, so many fun places to go to. You can see both the old, classical and new, modern cultures and traditions. People are friendly and the food is awsome!!!

Croatia has one of the most beautiful sea-sides in the world. If you like diving, snorkling this is the place to be. The water is so clean that you can see the bottom of it easily to depths like 100+ feet. Incredible.

Austria, Switzerland gotta love the Alps.

Chicago my kind of town.

Argentina has the best beef ever! Beautyful waterfalls too, and really nice people.

M�lum · Jul 14, 2002, 02:22 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by t_hah:
My favorite place is Venice. Gotta love those narrow streets, the fact that there are no cars in the city, the Italian pizza, and the pretty women. There is also a place called Lido di Jesolo not too far from Venice which has tons of restaurants (miles long street packed with shops, restaurants, bars and dance places). I love going there.
<hr /></blockquote>Pizza 's in Venice suk big time. Women in Venice suk big time too.

shmerek · Jul 14, 2002, 02:26 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by M�lum:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by t_hah:
My favorite place is Venice. Gotta love those narrow streets, the fact that there are no cars in the city, the Italian pizza, and the pretty women. There is also a place called Lido di Jesolo not too far from Venice which has tons of restaurants (miles long street packed with shops, restaurants, bars and dance places). I love going there.
<hr /></blockquote>Pizza 's in Venice suk big time. Women in Venice suk big time too.<hr /></blockquote>Of all the Italian towns I went to Venice had the hottest chicks but I think they were tourists.

theolein · Jul 14, 2002, 04:44 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by shmerek:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by M�lum:
Pizza 's in Venice suk big time. Women in Venice suk big time too.<hr /></blockquote>Of all the Italian towns I went to Venice had the hottest chicks but I think they were tourists.<hr /></blockquote>ON my way through Venice once I waited overnight at the station. I saw a couple of really good looking girls and started chatting with them. Had to laugh. They were South Africans like me looking to get away from the place.