[Montezuma58]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/02....ap/index.html

SAVANNAH, Georgia (AP) -- A 17-year-old high school senior working at a Hooters won't get class credit for her job because the restaurant, known for its waitresses in tight T-shirts and hot pants, is too racy, school district officials decided Thursday.

Laura Williams wanted her hostess job, for which she wears long pants and a collared shirt, to count as part of a work-study program....

I bet they probably have no problem with a student doing the same job at Applebee's.

My favorite quote from the article:

Aaron Sharp, manager of the Savannah Hooters, has said the school superintendent overreacted. He said his restaurant strives for a family atmosphere that includes balloons for children and a kids' menu.

You would think that a trained journalist would be able to spot sarcasm.

[ghost_flash]

Originally posted by Montezuma58:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/02....ap/index.html



I bet they probably have no problem with a student doing the same job at Applebee's.

My favorite quote from the article:
You would think that a trained journalist would be able to spot sarcasm.

Funny.

So, why beware of trains?

[Eriamjh]

She was the hostess, not a hooters girl. What's the big deal?

[mitchell_pgh]

Originally posted by Eriamjh:
She was the hostess, not a hooters girl. What's the big deal?

Many people find the place offensive and derogatory towards women. I know they push the "family" thing, but the reason most guys go there is to see girls walking around with tight clothing... not the fine cuisine.

[chris v]

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
Many people find the place offensive and derogatory towards women. I know they push the "family" thing, but the reason most guys go there is to see girls walking around with tight clothing... not the fine cuisine.

Sure. But why take it out on this kid? Most likely, she's in work/study because she really needs the money, but doesn't want to give up school. Jobs aren't just hanging off of every tree right now.

Make a written policy, and apply it to future cases, but give this poor kid a f*in break.

CV

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally posted by Eriamjh:
She was the hostess, not a hooters girl. What's the big deal?

Exactly. Whether or not the type of establishment is offensive has nothing to do with the type of work she is doing. If it is work study she should be evaluated on the type and quality of work she is doing as a hostess.

If they want to be consistent then they damn well better disqualify her from working as a hostess (in long pants and collared shirt) at Applebee's/TGIFridays/Bennigans/Olive Garden as well.

Otherwise their work-study program is a sham that isn't actually encouraging students to go out and find gainful employment, it is simply a mechanism for reinforcement of a social agenda couched in academic rhetoric.

[webcookie]

Well I don't see why her work should be any less significant just because she was working at Hooters, even if she was a Hooters girl, which she was not. At the end of the day, Hooters is just a restaurant, no matter what the waitresses wear.

[Algernnon]

Like I said, going to Hooters for the food is like reading Playboy for the articles...

[typoon]

Originally posted by Eriamjh:
She was the hostess, not a hooters girl. What's the big deal?

I agree.

[mitchell_pgh]

Ha, if the school signs off on giving her the credit, they are essentially saying that they approve of the environment. The girl would have legal grounds to sue them later on down the road if she felt that she was approved to work in a "morally ambiguous environment".

Also, your comment regarding her needing the money is moot. I'm cool with letting her work, the trick is, she shouldn't get a free credit out of it.

Reality Check: I could give a crap about the girl or the credit. Just another example of people trying to get their 30 seconds of fame.

I'll just wait until it's on Lifetime as a five hour, over glorified, women rights "documentary".

[SeSawaya]

School is not about education as we think it should be. Its about politics in the community, in the state, and for the teachers. Students almost always come last. Standardized testing in Indiana is all about politics.

Now they''ve brought a huge amount of it upon themselves. idiots.

[ASIMO]

But if it were Enron, Worldcom, Arthur Anderson, Halliburton, Bush admindistration, etc., she would get credit because these, of course, are fine, dignified institutions that exude wholesome values.

[Montezuma58]

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
Ha, if the school signs off on giving her the credit, they are essentially saying that they approve of the environment. The girl would have legal grounds to sue them later on down the road if she felt that she was approved to work in a "morally ambiguous environment".

..............

Reality Check: I could give a crap about the girl or the credit. Just another example of people trying to get their 30 seconds of fame.

If the school board had not made an issue of this the only people that would know about it are a few people in the school. There may have been a few people that would not like it that may have made a little noise but I doubt there would have been a massive outcry from the community.

Also I think that this has more to do with the school board being prudish rather than concerned for women's issues. Some people might call the book store that sells Playboy and Penthouse a morally ambiguous working environment. Some might also think that the drug store that sells birth control is a morally ambiguous work place. Remember this is the same state where a top education official wants to ban the word evolution. While there is some overlap sexism and sexuality are two different issues.

What is also amusing is that the hostess job in general is sexist. How many times are you greeted by a dude when you go to Outback, Ruby Tuesday, etc.? This same school board probably has no problem with cheerleaders and dance teams in skimpy outfits performing at school functions. That is considered sexist by some.

[macvillage.net]

Funny. Every time I go there, I see more families then men there.

I've been there with my family.

We should all be required to eat a fine conservative resturaunt where the employees dress more like this:



Ah yes. Just cover that sexual face. We don't want to have errections while we eat.



Oh WTF. Lets require all waitresses to look like Opera and Rosie O'Donald, that way it's completely non-sexual

[wdlove]

This is just another, much a do about nothing. She has still learned a lot by doing here job as a hostess.

[mitchell_pgh]

Originally posted by SeSawaya:
School is not about education as we think it should be. Its about politics in the community, in the state, and for the teachers. Students almost always come last. Standardized testing in Indiana is all about politics.

Now they''ve brought a huge amount of it upon themselves. idiots.

I taught at a Middle school... it's all about education. Once you get to the administration level, then it's all politics.

That being said, schools are forced to take an quantitative thing "education, intelligence, learning..." and measure it using a qualitative method "standardized testing". Standardized testing started out as a good thing (making sure everyone knew basic ideas/information), but is now used for everything. In their current form, they are extremely biased.

Back on the topic, I would have as much of an issue with a girl working at hooters as if she worked at a book store with playboys or adult videos. I would let her work in a porn shop if her parents didn't care (and signed off on it).

It's justified that the school has concerns. Also, we don't know the whole situation...

Funny. Every time I go there, I see a bunch of drunk guys eating crap food and trying to act like they aren't hard up for a female.

[benb]

Work study is a pathetic excuse for high school credit anyway. I know, I took it in HS. I left everyday at 11:30 to go eat out and chill all afternoon with friends, usually watching movies all afternoon. I only worked on the weekends.

Sure, I liked it. But as a program, it sucked. I has 3 assignments to do all year, to get out 2 and a half hours early. And I did them the morning they were due, in class.

So guess what. If the school wants to limit where the kid works, I could care less because A) the programs is already a joke and B) the kids are still minors anyway, and only have limited rights.

[maebug]

she's not going to learn squat there >_>
i know a girl who was fired from hooters for talking about books & politics with customers. she was told that hooters wanted "light" conversation...
in other words "shut up & flirt"

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by benb:
Work study is a pathetic excuse for high school credit anyway. I know, I took it in HS. I left everyday at 11:30 to go eat out and chill all afternoon with friends, usually watching movies all afternoon. I only worked on the weekends.

Sure, I liked it. But as a program, it sucked. I has 3 assignments to do all year, to get out 2 and a half hours early. And I did them the morning they were due, in class.

So guess what. If the school wants to limit where the kid works, I could care less because A) the programs is already a joke and B) the kids are still minors anyway, and only have limited rights.

Depends where you go. Your school sounded like a real piece of S**t.

I know many that have done it. Checked up by a teacher in charge of the program at least weekly (suprise visits). Papers, analysis, reports from boss, discussions, lots of work actually.

Normally end up regretting it.

[Saddam H.]

Originally posted by maebug:
she's not going to learn squat there >_>
i know a girl who was fired from hooters for talking about books & politics with customers. she was told that hooters wanted "light" conversation...
in other words "shut up & flirt"

I wouldn't want a waitress chatting me up about books and politics. It's intrusive and yes, customers most likely want light conversation. You overstep a bit saying 'shut up and flirt.'

[wataru]

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
That being said, schools are forced to take an quantitative thing "education, intelligence, learning..." and measure it using a qualitative method "standardized testing".

Shouldn't that be the other way around?

[macvillage.net]

Yep. I wouldn't want that conversation either. Their job is to serve your food, not enlighten/evangelize/persuade you.

I wouldn't want that at any resturaunt, not just Hooters.


I guess an exception for some Coffee Houses, that bill themselves as intelectual.

[Hawkeye_a]

I like hooters. Sure the waitresses are provocative. so what ? . Personally i like the food there as well. And it's just a nice place to go out with your drinking buddies. Just a nice place for guys like me (single ) to go and enjoy the scenery n get some good food. I'm not so sure if it's a 'family' resturant though... hehe. just dosent seem very 'wholesome'(spell?).

When i think family resturants, i think like TGIF or Bennigans. Hooters is more like the 20+ guys resturant.

On the other hand that episode where the group (Stan, Kyle, Cartman & Butters) start frequenting that racy kids resturant does come to mind. Regardless, ive convinced myself that it's the food that takes me back there every time

[wdlove]

Originally posted by Saddam H.:
I wouldn't want a waitress chatting me up about books and politics. It's intrusive and yes, customers most likely want light conversation. You overstep a bit saying 'shut up and flirt.'

The waitress shoulf be willing to talk about whatever the customer would like. I agree that most of the time it woulf be light. Waitress actually flurt at other resturants. I had one fluriting with me about a week ago. My wife thought it was cute.