[bonsaisuperstar]

still no 'effin scsi support

[t_hah]

If you are writing about an update that no of us have heard of yet...can you be a little more specific on what has been changed? Thanks,


t

[bonsaisuperstar]

im not sure how much more specific i can be...my only issue with 10.2 has been no scsi support....i ws really hoping the 10.2.1 update would fix my scsi issues but no avail which means it will probably be a long time for this fix to happen

[Pauldunlop]

I too have seen this new 10.2.1 build online, but haven't dared try it yet. Apparently, it will include, among other things, some FTP bug fixes for the finder. No clue as to when it will become publically available

Originally posted by t_hah:
If you are writing about an update that no of us have heard of yet...can you be a little more specific on what has been changed? Thanks,


t

[bonsaisuperstar]

this update should be available sometime today

[alex_kac]

It'll be up to the SCSI adapter mfgs to come up with drivers probably. I can see Apple writing SCSI drivers only as a last resort.

Since the entire foundation of the OS was updated from gcc 2.9.5 to gcc 3.1 and from an old BSD to a much newer one, I can see that some things like SCSI drivers won't work until updated.

[bonsaisuperstar]

i had numerous contacts with adobe in the last week regarding this issue and finally i got one of their driver developers email me and he had said all issues with scsi are on apple's side...OS 10.2 actually comes with newer drivers than the ones in 10.1.5...so...its all apple now

[bonsaisuperstar]

adobe = adaptec...sorry

[CheesePuff]

Umm, so just because 10.2.1 does not fix your one problem thats not even Apples problem, you think it fixes nothing at all?

You need to go outside.

[bonsaisuperstar]

you need to learn how to read cheesedick

[Subzero Diesel949]

Originally posted by bonsaisuperstar:
you need to learn how to read cheesedick

Noobs...

[CheesePuff]

Originally posted by bonsaisuperstar:
you need to learn how to read cheesedick

Last I checked it was CheesePuff.

[bonsaisuperstar]

ok sorry for the "cheesedick" reference but you started it....im just upset that i actually paid money for and installed 10.2 and i loose my scsi...hence i cant get any work done...just upset is all

[Subzero Diesel949]

Originally posted by bonsaisuperstar:
ok sorry for the "cheesedick" reference but you started it....im just upset that i actually paid money for and installed 10.2 and i loose my scsi...hence i cant get any work done...just upset is all

Then that means you installed 6C115. AFAIK I never heard of a 6D42 build floating around, and if there is, please take the time to note what was changed when you installed it...

[alex_kac]

Originally posted by bonsaisuperstar:
i had numerous contacts with adobe in the last week regarding this issue and finally i got one of their driver developers email me and he had said all issues with scsi are on apple's side...OS 10.2 actually comes with newer drivers than the ones in 10.1.5...so...its all apple now

That may just point to the fact that 10.2 handles things differently than 10.1.5 - and Adaptec is just passing the buck. Of course, it could also mean its a real bug - but I have a hard time believing that kind of bug - SCSI support - would be left in. Its more believable that a design change in the OS causing it not to work is the cause and the fix is an update of the driver.

But its all real speculation.

[Liquidity X]

Do system sounds work?

[CheesePuff]

Originally posted by Liquidity X:
Do system sounds work?

They do already work.

Jesus, do you want a sound every time you move your mouse for gods sake?

[Sean2068]

Hell yeah!

[Adam Betts]

Originally posted by bonsaisuperstar:
ok sorry for the "cheesedick" reference but you started it....im just upset that i actually paid money for and installed 10.2 and i loose my scsi...hence i cant get any work done...just upset is all

It is YP, not AP (Apple's Problem)

SCSI is DEAD, bonsaisuperdick. Live with it.

[oeyvind]

Someone wanna post the content of the .bom file?

% lsbom theupdater.bom

[JLL]

Originally posted by CheesePuff:


They do already work.

Jesus, do you want a sound every time you move your mouse for gods sake?

No they don't - only some of them and not even correctly.

[Currawong]

The only update to 10.1 is the Security Update, dated 2002-08-23. 10.2.1 isn't out yet, which means that this thread is a load of bull****.

[brainchild2b]

well currwrong is an *ucking idiot, go run your mouth somewhere else. Obviously you don't have access to developer ftp, because I downloaded 10.2.1 6d42, and it fixed my ftp problem, according to the installer however it is beta and won't let you upgrade to the next updates... when i get back to work in the morning i will post the ****ing pdf. in the meantime currwrong you should apoligize to the entire forum for running your DAMN mouth.

[Zimphire]

What a misleading topic.

"10.2.1 = 6D42 fixes nothing does not = "10.2 doesn't have SCSI support"

[silverghost]

Originally posted by brainchild2b:
well currwrong is an *ucking idiot, go run your mouth somewhere else. Obviously you don't have access to developer ftp, because I downloaded 10.2.1 6d42, and it fixed my ftp problem, according to the installer however it is beta and won't let you upgrade to the next updates... when i get back to work in the morning i will post the ****ing pdf. in the meantime currwrong you should apoligize to the entire forum for running your DAMN mouth.

I concur if you don't know whatcha writing 'bout don't write!


aloha

[CheesePuff]

Originally posted by brainchild2b:
well currwrong is an *ucking idiot, go run your mouth somewhere else. Obviously you don't have access to developer ftp, because I downloaded 10.2.1 6d42, and it fixed my ftp problem, according to the installer however it is beta and won't let you upgrade to the next updates... when i get back to work in the morning i will post the ****ing pdf. in the meantime currwrong you should apoligize to the entire forum for running your DAMN mouth.

Heh. You made me laugh.

Anyway, you can't post the PDF - you'll break your NDA. Though I think thats happened more than once here.

[bonsaisuperstar]

Originally posted by Adam Betts:


It is YP, not AP (Apple's Problem)

SCSI is DEAD, bonsaisuperdick. Live with it.

how is this my problem? nice website....not

[Mac Guru]

Not that I wanted to share in the crap slinging in here but you need to watch your mouth bub.

Adam is a very good artist and if you call that website crap then you've got cheesecloth for eyeglasses. That is a pretty badass website if I do say so myself. And if it isn't all you think it is, care to show off your web prowess? I'd love to see your website.

Oh and BTW, ADC still shows the only downloadable build as being 6C115 according to what I just saw.

Mac Guru

[CharlesS]

Originally posted by Adam Betts:
SCSI is DEAD, bonsaisuperdick. Live with it.

Well, not to defend this guy, but SCSI isn't dead! AFAIK, the high-end SCSI cards still are the fastest way to connect anything to a computer. The old SCSI-1 port that used to be in Macs is dead, and SCSI isn't included with all Macs (although the G4 towers still have it as an option), but SCSI itself is still very much alive.

This guy is still a dick, though, especially after that comment about your web site...

[Sarc]

I installed security update 2002-08-23 and my build number is still 6C115.
This leads me to believe that no change was made to the OS itself but rather loose updates to some non-MacOSX packages, such as OpenSSL.

Just a thought ...


Sarc

[bonsaisuperstar]

Originally posted by Mac Guru:
Not that I wanted to share in the crap slinging in here but you need to watch your mouth bub.

Adam is a very good artist and if you call that website crap then you've got cheesecloth for eyeglasses. That is a pretty badass website if I do say so myself. And if it isn't all you think it is, care to show off your web prowess? I'd love to see your website.

Oh and BTW, ADC still shows the only downloadable build as being 6C115 according to what I just saw.

Mac Guru

Whatever, you peice of ****ing ****! he started the whole damn thing to begin with...**** YOU ALL!!

[JLL]

Originally posted by Sarc:
This leads me to believe that no change was made to the OS itself but rather loose updates to some non-MacOSX packages, such as OpenSSL.

Just a thought ...


Sarc

Well, that's what the readme said.

[Currawong]

Originally posted by brainchild2b:
well currwrong is an *ucking idiot, go run your mouth somewhere else. Obviously you don't have access to developer ftp, because I downloaded 10.2.1 6d42, and it fixed my ftp problem, according to the installer however it is beta and won't let you upgrade to the next updates... when i get back to work in the morning i will post the ****ing pdf. in the meantime currwrong you should apoligize to the entire forum for running your DAMN mouth.

Ok, I apologize for repeatedly pointing out when someone is making up facts. If there is a 6d42 that you have (and noon e else on the entire internet nor anyone I know with any connection to Apple or inside Apple has said that any updates have been released to anyone that fix anything) then go ahead, and post the readme file or its contents and prove that what you are saying is true.

Just like all the "6c116", "6c118" and "6c115b" posts, this is likely to be rubbish.

[JonathanT]

Hi,
one of the biggest change in 6D42 is the compilation of the Window Server with Gcc3...Which isn't the case in current 6c115...

[brainchild2b]

currawong, first i looked the disk image doesn't have a pdf, the file is 11mb in space. It takes up 51mb on disk. The main updates are the frameworks and the frameworks for cd-r, however it doesn't appear to have changed anything for scsi. The best I can do is a screenshot. Just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean something doesn't exsist. It does exsist. It also fixes some of the sounds, however ftp is still not fully functional (it's getting better) but this is only build 6d42 of 10.2.1

It's funny how you think that a bunch of people randomly invented a build and then we all managed to post about it here...





*****Currwong, please never again post at this message board, we don't need you spreading more bad information.

[brainchild2b]

It's an internal build which means it doesn't go out to normal adc members...

[brainchild2b]

[Currawong]

If you look back through the forums, you'll regularly see people posting fake build numbers and other misinformation, thus my natural reaction.

If 6D42 "fixes nothing" does that mean the build that this is not what will appear in software update?

[silverghost]

haha, good one brainchild2b thats the same installer i got. so currawong if those screen shots dont prove anything then your not to bright!


aloha

[SKP909]

ok cool, so is it worth getting that update and running it then? Or will it not let me update again did i read? (that cant be right can it?)
10.2.1 must fix more than some ftp stuff?
Doesn't seem worth worrying about? 10.2 seems ok....
thanks for the SS's

Hmm, how much effective performance increase could a recompilation with GC 3.1 bring? When will we get GCC 3.2 though?

[King Bob On The Cob]

GCC 3.1 won't have any speed-up. GCC 3.2 isn't completed yet. (I think)

[EDIT]
Spelling

[JonathanT]

If I good remember another post in those forums, gcc 3.2 will never be released (ported??) for MacOSX. I remember the reason is that it only add some features requested by Linux User, but which can't be applocable to MacOSX.. or something like that.
The Window Server re-compilation profit is real, not extraordinary, but real.

[CharlesS]

Originally posted by silverghost:
haha, good one brainchild2b thats the same installer i got. so currawong if those screen shots dont prove anything then your not to bright!


aloha

Heh, I don't think you realize how many fake screenshots there are floating around.



Pretty easy to make with Interface Builder. The install package can be made with PackageMaker...

[silverghost]

Originally posted by CharlesS:

Heh, I don't think you realize how many fake screenshots there are floating around.



Pretty easy to make with Interface Builder. The install package can be made with PackageMaker...

Thats true CharlesS, ive seen my fair share of fake build shots and your right someone could put together a package quite easily with the dev tools.


aloha

[Peabo]

This is not fake

[someone_else]

Originally posted by Sarc:
I installed security update 2002-08-23 and my build number is still 6C115.
This leads me to believe that no change was made to the OS itself but rather loose updates to some non-MacOSX packages, such as OpenSSL.

Just a thought ...


Sarc

I was wondering why the build # wasn't bumped either. Pretty strange. First of all, there was Apple code changed. Look at the BOM. The Security framework was updated (hence the required reboot). Secondly, even if there were no Apple code changes, the Build #'s have always changed in past security updates that didn't update so called "Apple code".

Weird.

[dr. zoidberg]

wow, i haven�t seen that many asterisks in a single thread here lately... is this some kind of contest? what prize? ****** for free?

[Currawong]

Originally posted by silverghost:
haha, good one brainchild2b thats the same installer i got. so currawong if those screen shots dont prove anything then your not to bright!


aloha

Hmm, ok, that makes sense! I'll believe anything people who post screenshots say!

[Robo-X]

10.2.1 (6D42) contents:


./Applications/Mail.app
./System/Library/CFMSupport/._DiscRecordingLib
./System/Library/CFMSupport/DiscRecordingLib
./System/Library/CoreServices
./System/Library/CoreServices/AppleFileServer.app
./System/Library/CoreServices/Classic Startup.app
./System/Library/CoreServices/SecurityAgentPlugins
./System/Library/CoreServices/SystemUIServer.app
./System/Library/Extensions
./System/Library/Extensions/ATIRadeon.kext
./System/Library/Extensions/ATIRadeon8500.kext
./System/Library/Extensions/ATIRadeon8500DVDDriver.bundle
./System/Library/Extensions/ATIRadeon8500GA.plugin
./System/Library/Extensions/ATIRadeon8500GLDriver.bundle
./System/Library/Extensions/ATIRadeonDVDDriver.bundle
./System/Library/Extensions/ATIRadeonGA.plugin
./System/Library/Extensions/ATIRadeonGLDriver.bundle
./System/Library/Extensions/ATIRage128.kext
./System/Library/Extensions/ATIRage128DVDDriver.bundle
./System/Library/Extensions/ATIRage128GA.plugin
./System/Library/Extensions/ATIRage128GLDriver.bundle
./System/Library/Extensions/ATIRagePro.kext
./System/Library/Extensions/ATIRageProGA.plugin
./System/Library/Extensions/AppleAltiVecDVDDriver.bundle
./System/Library/Extensions/AppleGMACEthernet.kext
./System/Library/Extensions/AppleNDRV/ATIDriverUpdate
./System/Library/Extensions/AppleNDRV/ATIDriverUpdate.plist
./System/Library/Extensions/AppleNDRV/Contents
./System/Library/Extensions/AppleNDRV/Contents/Info.plist
./System/Library/Extensions/AppleNDRV/Contents/version.plist
./System/Library/Extensions/AppleNDRV/GeForce2MX.ndrv
./System/Library/Extensions/AppleNDRV/GeForce2MX.ndrv.plist
./System/Library/Extensions/AppleNDRV/chips65550.ndrv
./System/Library/Extensions/AppleNDRV/control.ndrv
./System/Library/Extensions/GeForce2MX.kext
./System/Library/Extensions/GeForce2MXGA.plugin
./System/Library/Extensions/GeForce2MXGLDriver.bundle
./System/Library/Extensions/GeForce3.kext
./System/Library/Extensions/GeForce3GA.plugin
./System/Library/Extensions/GeForce3GLDriver.bundle
./System/Library/Extensions/NVDANV10Hal.kext
./System/Library/Extensions/NVDANV20Hal.kext
./System/Library/Extensions/NVDAResman.kext
./System/Library/Frameworks
./System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework
./System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions
./System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A
./System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks
./System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ATS.framework
./System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ATS.framework/Versions
./System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ATS.framework/Versions/A
./System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ATS.framework/Versions/A/ATS
./System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ATS.framework/Versions/A/Resources
./System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ATS.framework/Versions/A/Resources/Info.plist
./System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ATS.framework/Versions/A/Resources/StandardCMaps.rsrc
./System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ATS.framework/Versions/A/Resources/SynthDB.rsrc
./System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ATS.framework/Versions/A/Resources/version.plist
./System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ATS.framework/Versions/A/Support
./System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ATS.framework/Versions/A/Support/ATSServer
./System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/CoreGraphics.framework
./System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/CoreGraphics.framework/Versions
./System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/CoreGraphics.framework/Versions/A
./System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/CoreGraphics.framework/Versions/A/Resources
./System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/CoreGraphics.framework/Versions/A/Resources/libCGATS.A.dylib