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subego
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Feb 10, 2014, 01:10 PM
 
Question for non-Muslim guys.

Do you see a hijab as an indicator to back-off?
     
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Feb 10, 2014, 01:14 PM
 
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Feb 10, 2014, 03:22 PM
 
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Feb 10, 2014, 04:21 PM
 


Y'all are just... wrong.
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Feb 10, 2014, 04:23 PM
 
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Feb 10, 2014, 04:52 PM
 
I would see it as an indication to back off. If she is a devout, practicing Muslim -- there is too much about my lifestyle that would likely conflict with her faith. I respect that, but would likely avoid it even if I were single.

And you, subego?
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Feb 10, 2014, 06:35 PM
 
Similar, with an added: you are demanding I follow a certain set of ritualized behavior for interaction upon which I'm clueless. Politeness dictates I keep my nose out.


The source of this question was a Muslim woman who covered up her hijab with a hat and scarf because it was cold. She immediately noticed Muslim men became colder towards her, while non-Muslim men became friendlier.

The responses to this ranged from "OMFG people are such bigots" to "purposely, physically indicate yourself as different from the norm, and expect people to treat you differently".
     
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Feb 10, 2014, 08:39 PM
 
My very passing understanding of female Muslim garb is it's meant as an appearance equalizer. Appearance is a worldly pursuit, which is not worth the effort.

To be clear, I consider that an accurate diagnosis of the human condition.

The Islamic "cure" is to make women wear clothes which make that less of a consideration. Its stated purpose is to alter people's opinion of you, therefore I am not shocked that is what it accomplishes.
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Feb 11, 2014, 11:20 AM
 
Hijab or no, I think people are friendlier when you fit any societal norm. You're not offputting, or dangerous-seeming, or setting yourself purposely apart.

The hijab however, more than emo or goth or hipster-wear, is intended to isolate.

If the hijab were meant as some kind of equalizer, then the muslim men should be wearing them too.
     
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Feb 11, 2014, 12:29 PM
 
They're guys who take no responsibility for their own urges, so instead of controlling themselves they force draconian clothing requirements on women. No, it's not as bad as a burqa, by a mile, but few other things could be (except perhaps a tarp with eye slits). One of my daughter's little friends is only 3 and her parents (Sufis) have already started making her to wear a hijab, and her mother wears a full abaya.
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Feb 11, 2014, 12:49 PM
 
Originally Posted by Shaddim View Post
One of my daughter's little friends is only 3 and her parents (Sufis) have already started making her to wear a hijab, and her mother wears a full abaya.
Why does the 3 year wear anything? Its supposed to be worn by women afaik.
     
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Feb 11, 2014, 01:22 PM
 
Originally Posted by mattyb View Post
Why does the 3 year wear anything? Its supposed to be worn by women afaik.
It seems to be a growing trend with the ultra-Orthodox, to get them indoctrinated much sooner. My wife (a true bastion of social liberalism) almost flipped out, she had to excuse herself when she saw it.
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Feb 11, 2014, 01:40 PM
 
I find that just as offensive as those who dress their 3 year olds like tarts. Kids are meant to be non-sexual, innocent.

I'm with your wife.
     
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Feb 11, 2014, 02:26 PM
 
Jalees Rehman, M.D.: Catholic Nun Forcibly Removed From Plane for Wearing "Muslim Garb"

The same motivations for such garb by Catholic nuns as well as Amish, Quaker, Mennonite, etc. women is the same for Muslim women who wear the hijab. It is definitely meant to "de-sexualize" women in public spaces.

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Feb 11, 2014, 04:34 PM
 
Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
If the hijab were meant as some kind of equalizer, then the muslim men should be wearing them too.
Equalizer amongst women and to men.

I'm going to assume the Koran dictates men and women are most assuredly not equal.
     
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Feb 11, 2014, 05:22 PM
 
Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
I find that just as offensive as those who dress their 3 year olds like tarts. Kids are meant to be non-sexual, innocent.

I'm with your wife.
I'm curious if it's about sexuality so much as indoctrination.

I guess if I have to make a choice, I kinda hope it's the latter.
     
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Feb 17, 2014, 12:04 PM
 
Originally Posted by OAW View Post
Jalees Rehman, M.D.: Catholic Nun Forcibly Removed From Plane for Wearing "Muslim Garb"

The same motivations for such garb by Catholic nuns as well as Amish, Quaker, Mennonite, etc. women is the same for Muslim women who wear the hijab. It is definitely meant to "de-sexualize" women in public spaces.

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Feb 17, 2014, 10:53 PM
 
Originally Posted by Shaddim View Post
They're guys who take no responsibility for their own urges, so instead of controlling themselves they force draconian clothing requirements on women.
The thing is, I'd say it's not that bad as 8th century solutions go.
     
   
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