[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by mattyb 

I just want a sniper rifle to kill you with one shot on the torso, even with a silencer.

That'd be thoroughly broken. God knows quickscopers were dangerous enough. Imagine if they could be silenced.

[Jawbone54]

If snipers were any more powerful, there's no way I'd play the game.

[sek929]

If snipers any were more powerful...

you know what that's going

[sek929]

Originally Posted by mattyb 

I just want a sniper rifle to kill you with one shot on the torso, even with a silencer.

That's asking a bit much, as it is the Intervention with SP will one-hit-kill on any torso or limb hit.

[mattyb]

I know that I'm asking alot but ...

When you have one (a sniper rifle), and you run, you shouldn't be able to run as fast as someone with an SMG - like the stats here say you can.

The other thing is quick scoping. While I admire the skill, you just cannot raise a 50 cal that fast, so IMHO quick scoping with a sniper shouldn't be possible.

So, if you could die from one shot to the torso from a silenced sniper, I wouldn't expect the snipers to also be able to quick scope or run fast.

Originally Posted by sek929 

That's asking a bit much, as it is the Intervention with SP will one-hit-kill on any torso or limb hit.

But don't you think that a sniper - of ALL weapons - should be a one hit kill WITHOUT SP? I mean most Intervention using S&Ders would also have SP. To me it shouldn't be necessary.

[Stogieman]

Originally Posted by sek929 

If snipers any were more powerful...

you know what that's going

They would have shotgun attachments on their rifles?

[The Final Dakar]

I think the solution to quickscoping is pretty simple. Introduce exaggerated sway for the first half or full second you pull up a scope after moving. Or, introduce greater sway when standing (and less when prone).

[Rumor]

I am still toying with the idea of pre-ordering this. I suppose we would have a small crew of around ten?

[sek929]

This image made my day.

[mattyb]

Copied from 7 sins

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Tier 1:
Lightweight Pro = Faster Aim After Sprinting
Scavenger Pro = Extra Magazines
Ghost Pro = No Red name, Crosshair
Hardline Pro = Change your Care Pack reward
Flak Jacket Pro = Reduced Fire Based Damage

Tier 2:
Hardened Pro = Your guess is as good as mine...
Scout Pro = Less Scope Idle Sway
Steam Aim Pro = Less Recoil
SoH Pro = Faster ADS ( doesn't work on snipers )
Warlord Pro ( Bling Pro ) = Two Attachments For You Secondary Weapon

Tier 3:
Marathon Pro = No falling damage
Ninja Pro = Move through Motion Sensors / Camera Spikes without being noticed.
Second Chance Pro ( Last Stand Pro ) = Use equipment as well as guns
Hacker Pro = Turn Enemy Equipment Into Friendly Equipment
Tactical Mask Pro = Reduced effect of Nova Gas, other special grenades.
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Love the Hacker Pro idea. And quickscoping with a sniper is no more. Excellent.

[mattyb]

Achievements

Sacrifice - Ensure your squad escapes safely from Cuba - 10G
Death to Dictators - Use a single round to bring down Castro - 15G
Vehicular Slaughter - Destroy all enemies on vehicles during the prison break - 25G
Give Me Liberty, Or Give Me Death - Escape Vorkuta - 10G
Slingshot Kid - Destroy all slingshot targets in 3 attempts - 15G
VIP Receive orders from Lancer - 10G
A Safer Place - Sabotage the Soviet space program - 10G
Tough Economy - Use no more than 6 TOW guided missiles to destroy the tanks in the defense of Khe Sanh - 15G
Looks Don't Count - Break the siege in the battle of Khe Sanh - 10G
SOG Rules - Retrieve the dossier and the defector from Hue City - 10G
Raining Pain - Rack up a bodycount of 20 NVA using air support in Hue City - 15G
The Dragon Within - Kill 10 NVA with Dragon's Breath rounds - 15G
Heavy Hand - Use the Grim Reaper to destroy the MG emplacement - 15G
Up Close And Personal - Silently take out 3 VC - 15G
Double Trouble - Use only dual wield weapons to escape Kowloon - 10G
Broken English - Escape Kowloon - 10G
Lord Nelson - Destroy all targets and structures while making your way up the river - 25G
Never Get Off The Boat - Find the Soviet connection in Laos - 10G
Pathfinder - Guide the squad through the Soviet outpost without them getting killed - 50G
Mr. Black Op - Enter the Soviet relay station undetected - 50G
With Extreme Prejudice - Get to the POW compound in the Hind using only rockets - 25G
Russian Bar-BQ - Incinerate 10 enemies with the flamethrower attachment in the POW compound - 15G
Light Foot - Escape the ship with 2:15 left on the timer in Veteran - 30G
Some Wounds Never Heal - Escape the past - 10G
I Hate Monkeys - Kill 7 monkeys in under 10 seconds in the Rebirth labs - 15G
No Leaks - Make it through the NOVA 6 gas without dying on Rebirth Island - 50G
Clarity - Crack the code - 10G
Double Whammy - Destroy both helicopters with one TOW guided missile from the deck of the ship - 15G
BLACK OP MASTER - Complete the campaign on Hardened or Veteran difficulty - 100G Gold
Stand Down - Complete the campaign on any difficulty - 35G
Frag Master - Kill 5 enemies with a single frag grenade - 15G
Sally Likes Blood - Demonstrate killer economic sensibilities by taking down 3 enemies with a single bullet - 15G
Unconventional Warfare - Use the explosive bolts to kill 30 enemies - 15G
Down And Dirty - Complete "SOG" and "The Defector" on Veteran difficulty - 25G
It's Your Funeral - Complete "Numbers," "Project Nova" and "Victor Charlie" on Veteran difficulty - 25G
Cold Warrior - Complete "Operation 40", "Vorkuta", and "Executive Order" on Veteran difficulty - 25G
Not Today - Complete "Crash Site," "WMD" and "Payback" on Veteran difficulty - 25G
Burn Notice - Complete "Rebirth" and "Redemption" on Veteran difficulty - 25G
Closer Analysis - Find all the hidden intel - 15G
Matinee - Watch a film or clip with a friend - 15G
Gamblin' Fool - Finish 5 Wager Matches "in the money" - 20G
You Can Do It - Reach rank 10 in Basic Training - 15G
The Collector - In Zombie mode, buy every weapon off the walls in a single game - 20G
Hands Off The Merchandise - Kill the Pentagon thief before it can steal your load-out - 20G
Sacrificial Lamb - Kill 6 zombies after getting shot by a Pack-a-Punched Crossbow bolt - 15G
"Insert Coin" - Access the terminal and battle the forces of the Cosmic Silverback in Dead Ops Arcade - 10G
Easy Rhino - In Dead Ops Arcade, use a Speed Boost to blast through 20 or more enemies at one time - 5G

[KCrosbie]

Seems like the typical cheevos for a COD game. Beat it on veteran, collect the intel, etc. I do like that mixed up some zombie ones within it.

Originally Posted by mattyb 

Light Foot - Escape the ship with 2:15 left on the timer in Veteran - 30G

This one sounds it'll be tough like the mile high club achievement from Modern Warfare.

[KCrosbie]

Black Ops will support 3D gaming

Didn't see that coming.

[KCrosbie]

Black Ops will block party chat in some modes

... but not as many modes like in MW2.

"We have that same restriction in certain playlists where they can use party chat to exploit the game mode. For example, Search and Destroy. Search and Destroy is one of those cases where it's really critical that you don't share information with anybody on the other team because it's a very tactical, hardcore game mode."

While the full list of which modes will/won't allow party chat is being kept under wraps, Bunting confirmed that the restriction will apply to fewer modes than it did in Modern Warfare 2, stating that "We've taken it out of any game mode where it doesn't make sense to have it."

It's also been specified that Team Deathmatch isn't one of those modes, so Xbox Live Parties will work as standard when playing TD online.

Makes sense. Glad you can party chat on Team Deathmatch.

[sek929]

Zombie news!

Potential spoiler warning: one of the Zombie Maps in Black Ops - unlocked after you beat the campaign - is set in The Pentagon, allowing you to play as Presidents JFK and Richard Nixon, Cuban Prime Minister Fidel Castro and infamous Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara. As if COD wasn't mad enough already!

Screenshots and more info

Oh man oh man oh man...

[The Final Dakar]

It's so crazy it's hard to believe.

[sek929]

D'oh, link got removed I think.

Got it from http://www.trueachievements.com/ main site if anyone is interested.

[The Final Dakar]

sek, did you pre-order off amazon yet?

Between the $20 back for Halo, the $10 back for it coming late, and the $10 back for Fable getting upgraded to $20 back, I ended up paying $11 with release day shipping.

[sek929]

Just did last night, only had 10 bucks off from Vegas, but it gave me '200 pre-order points' which I read amounts to around 20 dollars off my next purchase.

At this rate I think I really need to stave off buying anything else until Portal 2. Pretty stoked for Black Ops actually. Vegas is a great single player game, but I miss our times on CoD with full crews, getting called campers, and shitting on teams 7500-2500.

Is your whole crew getting it?

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by sek929 

Just did last night, only had 10 bucks off from Vegas, but it gave me '200 pre-order points' which I read amounts to around 20 dollars off my next purchase.

I just checked, apparently Activision didn't want any monetary offers with it, so Amazon side-stepped them. God I ****ing love you Amazon.

Originally Posted by sek929 

At this rate I think I really need to stave off buying anything else until Portal 2. Pretty stoked for Black Ops actually. Vegas is a great single player game, but I miss our times on CoD with full crews, getting called campers, and shitting on teams 7500-2500.

I just beat Fable's main storyline, so I'll need something to do next week (As I've soured on Halo fully).

Originally Posted by sek929 

Is your whole crew getting it?

My god, yes.

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BTW, I fully predict bitching on how the perks are distributed on tiers.

[sek929]

As long as I can still hard-scope and get called out for it I'm happy.

[KCrosbie]

Just pre-ordered it today from Best Buy. Had a $20 gift card from pre-ordering Reach and I had $60 in rewards from the Gamerzone membership. Didn't pay a penny for the game and I still have $15 left over (plus another $5 for pre-ordering Black Ops) towards a future purchase.

[mattyb]

A few in my clan have it already. They haven't gone online with it though.

[The Final Dakar]

Modders?

[mattyb]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

Modders?

No. This guy is legit.

So far, he likes the zombies (but he only has one map), likes the flame thrower on the AK47. Forget where he said the Single player starts, middle east somewhere IIRC.

[The Final Dakar]

So how do they have it early?

[mattyb]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

So how do they have it early?

Dunno, I've asked. I've been away for a long weekend, just catching up with the clan news.

[mattyb]

OK, he's usually a very legit game player but for some reason he downloaded the Black Ops ISO. Sorry about the wrong info before, he used to slag off the others that pirated stuff. Next time I won't assume.

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by mattyb 

OK, he's usually a very legit game player but for some reason he downloaded the Black Ops ISO. Sorry about the wrong info before, he used to slag off the others that pirated stuff. Next time I won't assume.

I was just using logic. No way that guy got his hands on physical copy that early.

[Angelo78]

Originally Posted by sek929 

This image made my day.

LOL! Thanks for that one.

[The Final Dakar]

So, crosbie predicted the Reach thread would outgrow the MW2 thread, if not the 3 thread. Anyone wanna make any predictions on this thread?

[mattyb]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

So, crosbie predicted the Reach thread would outgrow the MW2 thread, if not the 3 thread. Anyone wanna make any predictions on this thread?

I'm hoping that with the films you can do, there will be endless discussions of how stupid people look just before dieing.

Trouble is, Mr. Sek will be too preoccupied to post due to zombie massacre addiction.

[The Final Dakar]

Well, that's my thinking. Theater was a huge part of the 3 thread, but it waned by the time of ODST and only slightly reignited with Reach. I guess time will tell if its the game of the feature.

After meditating a bit on the Forge mode, I figure its DOA (for us) as we played customs twice and we put a ton of time into MW2.

[sek929]

I expect the erst of you guys to join in for Zombie slaughter.

Leave your preconceived notions at the door, Zombies made some of my friends addicts that almost never play any video games.

[The Final Dakar]

Compare/Contrast with FF and Horde mode.

[mattyb]

We shall see.

[sek929]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

Compare/Contrast with FF and Horde mode.

Eh, no comparison would do it justice so I'll simply describe it the best I can.

Game consists of staying alive and collecting points to spend on weapons, upgrades, and Zombie traps around the map. Points also unlock doors to the res of the map as you start in one room that will be your tomb by Round 4 if you don't move on. Windows are able to be boarded up to slow the zombies progression, but at a certain point you can no longer be bother to do that.

Round 1
You've got really slow and weak zombies, you'll kill all of them before they rip a few boards down on your windows

Round 4
Several Zombies will make it into your room by now, and might even take a sleeping friend by surprise. You must open up the level to access better weapons and perks.

Round 10
Shit has gotten real serious. You no longer have the ability to board up any windows. Zombies are faster, in greater numbers and take more of a pounding. By now you should have something automatic that can get headshots and at least one perk. it is also good to have most of the level unlocked because there is no place to hold up and you must constantly move.

Round 20
You will only get this far with great practice, good teammates, proper distribution of points, and the learned skill of the 'zombie train' that allows you to heard your horde into traps and/or the aim of your good weapons. From here on you will need to be Barry Sanders to survive.

In not-so-short terms. When you first play Zombies the first 4 levels are almost a joke, this is it eh? Then you WILL be ass-raped come Round 5, like clockwork. Then you'll play a half-dozen times and make it to Round 8-10. At that point you are usually downed by zombies in a massive horde as you plink BBs off their skulls. How on Earth can you get to Round 20? The ability to do well in the game relies on the inflated sense of urgency the game atmosphere creates. You can out-walk (without sprint) even the fastest zombies, so all you need to do is keep you cool and plan your route and you can (technically) never die. However, the shit hits the fan at an alarming pace in this game. If your friend gets downed by zombies upstairs and you already have your hands full, then you can look forward to every zombie on the map that had a taste for your friend heading to you now. It's not the same as L4D, but it emphasizes team work in almost the same degree.

I mean, it's no secret I love this game, but I think you guys would too. The action is incredibly hectic and extremely addictive. I honestly didn't get that addicted to a game since Portal came out.

[The Final Dakar]

It helps that you love zombies.

[sek929]

Yes, and no. I think the game stands by itself as a really well balanced infinitely replayable challenge.

My buddy Cheezy isn't into Zombie or horror shit at all, and he LOVES this game as much as I do. In fact it is pretty much all he plays besides MW2.

[mattyb]

You guys always find friends to party up with or play co-op sort of games together.

I live in France.

[The Final Dakar]

MW2 was without a doubt the funnest 6 months of video gaming ever. Minimum of 4 guys (for 6 spots) every week night.

[sek929]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

MW2 was without a doubt the funnest 6 months of video gaming ever. Minimum of 4 guys (for 6 spots) every week night.

Online Matchmaking-wise? Hell yeah.

[mattyb]

Oh dear.

[Stogieman]

Turrible. Just turrible.

[Stogieman]

Originally Posted by sek929 

Online Matchmaking-wise?

No, he meant single player campaign-wise. It's better than S.T.A.L.K.E.R and all the Fallout games... combined.

[KCrosbie]

Nazi Zombie gameplay footage

That level looked pretty fun, although I wish they didn't bring back the hell hounds. Hard to kill if you're not properly set up.

Your character talks a lot of shit too. "Lay off the sauerkraut!" LOL!

[mattyb]

Delivered to my house. I wasn't there.

Should be on-line tomorrow night.

A few clan members have gotten their legit copies. Dunno if they're playing online or not.

[Jawbone54]

I just paid for mine in full during lunch. Not sure if I'm going to join the crazies and visit the store at midnight though. Probably not.

[The Final Dakar]

It'll look just as good collecting dust on your shelf if you pick it up during the day tomorrow.

[Jawbone54]

Ha...we'll see.