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xmacintosh · Jul 6, 2005, 09:32 AM

I read a press release from MS here. It says "MSN Messenger for Mac 5.0 is expected during the first half of 2005"... Where is it??

ManOfSteal · Jul 6, 2005, 09:52 AM

Microsoft missed a deadline?

Whodathunkit.®

Goldfinger · Jul 6, 2005, 10:19 AM

It will be out when Messenger 8.0 for windows comes out with 100 features less than the windows client

xmacintosh · Jul 8, 2005, 09:10 AM

Sure...

jay3ld · Jul 8, 2005, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by Goldfinger

It will be out when Messenger 8.0 for windows comes out with 100 features less than the windows client

so true. its sad when these non Micro$oft makers are able to do all the things the new version of msn messenger for windows can and they cant.

Micro$oft i think just slacks off on it. wanting mac users to buy a pc to get the best out of there products.

Wiskedjak · Jul 9, 2005, 12:32 AM

Originally Posted by jay3ld

so true. its sad when these non Micro$oft makers are able to do all the things the new version of msn messenger for windows can and they cant.

Micro$oft i think just slacks off on it. wanting mac users to buy a pc to get the best out of there products.

I don't think it's that M$ can't make the Mac version of messenger with the same features as the Windows version ... I think it's that they don't want to. Instant messaging is among the most common activities for online computing, M$ wants to keep IMing on Windows superior to IMing on a Mac

rickey939 · Aug 8, 2005, 06:40 PM

Tomorrow.

moonmonkey · Aug 9, 2005, 06:22 AM

Today

yongfook · Aug 9, 2005, 06:48 AM

where is it then? WHEREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Phil Sherry · Aug 9, 2005, 06:58 AM

They can keep they bloatware. Stuff'em.

sushiism · Aug 9, 2005, 08:37 AM

look on the brightside, MSN on windows has:
Banners
Tabs (glorified adverts)
all those stupid winks and themes that are also adverts
and now little adverts at the bottom of each im window.

PurpleGiant · Aug 9, 2005, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by sushiism

look on the brightside, MSN on windows has:
Banners
Tabs (glorified adverts)
all those stupid winks and themes that are also adverts
and now little adverts at the bottom of each im window.

Vs.

On the other hand, when every time I ask someone if they have AIM they respond "What? Oh you mean MSN?", I would at least like some kind of feature parity with the useful stuff (audio/video chat).

Horsepoo!!! · Aug 9, 2005, 09:23 AM

Sad to see how bloated MSN Messenger has become.

sushiism · Aug 9, 2005, 11:20 AM

has to be one of the worst interfaces ever MSN on windows.
+I mean whats with that up and down arrow button in the top left of the windows? You click it and lose the titlebar etc and the whole window is draggable likean osx metal window but then you click it back and the window looks exactly the same but has a title bar and the content isnt draggable. Whats the point of all that?
+Doesnt remember if you closed the buddy icon things, have to do it every time
+Dragging image file on to a window changes the background, not sending the file which catches me out every time
+SEARCH BUTTON UNDER THE SEND BUTTON!!!!! yet another advert, do we really need about 5 msn search buttons all over our screen. Clearly just there to catch accidental clicks.
+Yet another msn search box/button on the contact list

ugh its just a total disaster

Randman · Aug 9, 2005, 11:29 AM

*cough* Adium. *cough*

siMac · Aug 9, 2005, 11:51 AM

'Banana penis'?

Scandalous Ion Cannon · Aug 9, 2005, 11:55 AM

The interface on windows is soooo soooo horrible but every PC head that uses it doesn't see much wrong with it. Can they all be that stupid?

Fonzie · Aug 9, 2005, 12:40 PM

it seems that Microsoft is updating its sites. Because someone on Neowin reported that the Australian site has an updated Microsoft Messenger(as it's now called) page.

jay3ld · 12:53 PM

were is the download???

Edit: oh its there just when you click link it goes to there page and nothing happens... wow sounds like a normal pc thing to me.

tomacwhite · Aug 9, 2005, 01:16 PM

Available now from www.microsoft.com/mac

jay3ld · Aug 9, 2005, 01:20 PM

none of the download links work...

tomacwhite · Aug 9, 2005, 01:27 PM

I have it working now on my Mac. Maybe its not filtered to everyones ISPs yet.

jay3ld · Aug 9, 2005, 01:30 PM

it FINALLY went

hope its good!

Krypton · Aug 9, 2005, 01:34 PM

Download English v5

jay3ld · Aug 9, 2005, 02:11 PM

been out for less than an hour and already hate comments are filling up at macupdate

http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/7946

Tominator · Aug 9, 2005, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by jay3ld

been out for less than an hour and already hate comments are filling up at macupdate

http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/7946

So much hate, but yet very few saying if the software actually works well and if the features, such as they are, are actually useful and well-implemented. Some useful reviews would be nice. Not childish posts filled with "M$ blows!!" and the like. Plenty of that on Versiontracker right now.

jay3ld · Aug 9, 2005, 02:31 PM

well they are right.

3rd party apps can do way more than there official one can. Microsoft is holding out on us...

far as i can tell 5.0 just adds display pics and personal or corporate thing

oh and they added there logo on everything now....

Busemann · Aug 9, 2005, 02:41 PM

Resizing the chat window is a joke when the list of messages grows. Microsoft never really fails to disappoint with their non-office products

Apfhex · Aug 9, 2005, 02:42 PM

Well at LEAST it supports "display pictures" now. It still should be more like version 3, considering all the features they've not added since 1.0 (though Apple's kinda done the same with iTunes).

Oh and it's brushed. Now With Tabs.™

Looks like they're calling it "Microsoft Messenger" now too, which is probably more appropriate since it's a lot closer to the free "Windows Messenger" (the one that comes with XP) than that awful looking bloated "MSN Messenger."

jay3ld · Aug 9, 2005, 02:49 PM

Weres the tabs?? i think its only for coporate...

well maybe some day when msn messenger 9.0 is out for pcs mac version MIGHT have audio/video support.... MIGHT......

Originally Posted by Apfhex

Well at LEAST it supports "display pictures" now. It still should be more like version 3, considering all the features they've not added since 1.0 (though Apple's kinda done the same with iTunes).

Oh and it's brushed. Now With Tabs.™

Looks like they're calling it "Microsoft Messenger" now too, which is probably more appropriate since it's a lot closer to the free "Windows Messenger" (the one that comes with XP) than that awful looking bloated "MSN Messenger."

Scandalous Ion Cannon · Aug 9, 2005, 04:28 PM

Yuck, this is a whole lot of nothing.

I just want 2 damn things.

1) being able to send files properly to 100% of the people i try to send stuff to

2) Webcam support even if it is one way.

andretan · Aug 9, 2005, 04:54 PM

I thought the app was much slower than the previous version. It kept giving me the beachball.

wyntir23 · Aug 9, 2005, 05:54 PM

How can you turn off the useless tab bar? I don't have a "corporate" account, so it's just wasting space and making me wish I had actual tabs.

- - e r i k - - · Aug 9, 2005, 05:59 PM

I want one thing: Able to make names for my contacts (aliases as Mercury calls them). Hell, this doesn't even support personal messages. Load of *$%"#.

Nice interface though. Clean and professional.

Oh by the way, Mercury supports most everything MSN on Windows supports. Including two-way video-chat and reliable file-transfers (and all the gimmicky stuff like nudges). Interface isn't as nice, stability is low in the betas and it needs a bit of configuring to work the way you want it, but hey - it's the best there is unfortunately.

Weyland-Yutani · Aug 9, 2005, 06:07 PM

Adium is damn fine. So it has a duck and no video chat and lousy file transfer.

I use it for text chatting and it has the best, cleanest and most inviting interface of all IM software I've tried. It supports AIM as well as MSN in the same app too. Many of us Mac users have both MSN and AIM contacts so...

Video chat is like MMRPGs. I just don't see the point. I'm not that much of a nerd.

Good to see that MS is still supporting the Mac (half handed as so often with Messenger and WiMP but hey)

cheers

W-Y

B Gallagher · Aug 10, 2005, 03:52 AM

Originally Posted by siMac

'Banana penis'?

Yeah! You blocked out everything else on the image but not this?

PurpleGiant · Aug 10, 2005, 03:56 AM

Originally Posted by B Gallagher

Yeah! You blocked out everything else on the image but not this?

Gotta give you guys something interesting to talk about. Cuz the new MSN sure ain't it.

EDIT: You guys didn't see the rest of it

iluvmymactoo · Aug 10, 2005, 06:50 AM

I installed it, logged into it and then trashed it

What a load of garbage. We waited all this time for that???

Angus_D · Aug 10, 2005, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by Apfhex

Well at LEAST it supports "display pictures" now. It still should be more like version 3, considering all the features they've not added since 1.0 (though Apple's kinda done the same with iTunes).

Actually they kinda stopped that with iTunes... It quickly went v1->v4 and it's been at 4.x for over two years.

Apfhex · Aug 10, 2005, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Angus_D

Actually they kinda stopped that with iTunes... It quickly went v1->v4 and it's been at 4.x for over two years.

Yeah but it was the v1->v4 stuff I was talking about.

Originally Posted by jay3ld

Weres the tabs?? i think its only for coporate...

My bad, I saw tabs mentioned on Microsoft's website and thought they meant for chat, I guess they think having tabs for "Personal" and "Corporate" is a really cool feature to advertise.

OAW · Aug 10, 2005, 06:18 PM

I noticed a couple of things about the new release that are definitely a step back from the previous version:

1. The application no longer tries to automatically reconnect to the MSN network when the machine awakes from sleep.

2. The dock icon no longer reflect your online status. You have to click the icon and open up the window to show this information now.

All in all, this is a pretty lame release if you don't use the "corporate" features. I imagine #2 above was done because a user could have one status on the "personal" side and another status on the "corporate" side .... but I imagine most users will never use the "corporate" features. It would have been nice if the user could specify which status the dock icon reflected rather than implement nothing at all. Besides who knows how many corporations even have Microsoft's IM server software installed? Probably not many.

OAW

strokemouth · Aug 10, 2005, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by OAW

Besides who knows how many corporations even have Microsoft's IM server software installed? Probably not many.

OAW

It's called Exchange.

OAW · Aug 10, 2005, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by strokemouth

It's called Exchange.

Actually I thought it was called Live Communications Server 2005.

OAW

dru · Aug 11, 2005, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by OAW

2. The dock icon no longer reflect your online status. You have to click the icon and open up the window to show this information now.

This just isn't acceptable. I've already gone back to the old version because of this CRAP.

OAW · Aug 11, 2005, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by dru

This just isn't acceptable. I've already gone back to the old version because of this CRAP.

Well I just ditched MSN Messenger and iChat and went with Adium. One client for both services. Much nicer interface with the "Unified toolbar" look. My only concern is that there are reports of flakiness with file transfers but I don't really do that very often. I was able to send a couple of pics to a friend using MSN Messenger on a PC without incident however. I just really wish Adium supported an iChat message style. I really like the text bubbles and the icons being on opposite sides of the window. I figure I will fire up iChat if I need to do an audio or video chat (if I ever get an iSight) which is rare. I'm mainly doing text chats and for that Adium seems to cover all the bases rather nicely.

OAW

PurpleGiant · Aug 11, 2005, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by OAW

I just really wish Adium supported an iChat message style. I really like the text bubbles and the icons being on opposite sides of the window.

OAW · Aug 11, 2005, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by PurpleGiant

I managed to find out about the Adium Extras earlier today but thanks for the tip anyway!

OAW

threestain · Sep 15, 2005, 10:34 AM

ARGH!

is anyone else having problems with connections to MSN?

both Adium and MSN are flaking out. its really really annoying!

sushiism · Sep 15, 2005, 10:43 AM

Why must the Adium devs jump on every UI bandwagon Apple brings to the table, first BM now Unified

MSN 5.0: been using this a while now, proxy support has been dragged through the gutter, many disconnections without telling me, people cant get messages off me sometimes unless i start a new convo window and it crashes about 1 in ever 6 times when i drag an image off safari on to the text field, I do this about 30 times a day because its the fastest way to get a url of an image to someone

threestain · Sep 15, 2005, 05:11 PM

why is it so awfully bad? I want better stuff. Now. For free. And with cherries on top.