[Waragainstsleep]

Theres no real problem having a different minimum living wage regionally as this figure is going to vary quite a bit over time anyway.
Seems to me that a minimum living wage ought to be enough to house (mortgage rather than rent), feed, clothe, educate and cover healthcare for two adults and two kids. Some might argue a modest family leisure budget and a holiday once a year is also fair. Working full time and not being able to feed yourself is outrageous. Moreso working in a supermarket.

Every full time job for adults ought to cover that otherwise the business model is wrong.

[subego]

It was claimed “not enough” was undefined, while “not enough to live on” was defined as the poverty line.

I brought up the fact the poverty line was a single number to show its definition is somewhat arbitrary. If “not enough to live on” can be defined arbitrarily, so can “not enough”.

[subego]

Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep 

Every full time job for adults ought to cover that otherwise the business model is wrong.

This is a reasonable argument.

My argument is wrong ≠ pointless.

[Laminar]

Republicans: Raising the minimum wage would put make businesses unprofitable and force them to shutdown.

Democrats: Raising the minimum wage results in local consumers having more money to spend locally, increasing profits at local businesses.

Have experiments or analyses been done to measure this sort of outcome?

[andi*pandi]

I think Reaganomics trickle-down theory failure might be proof. The Repubs are fearmongering. Big business can definitely afford to pay $15 min wage and the CEOS will still get million-dollar bonuses. <50 employees? Not sure.

Originally Posted by subego 

Edit: to put it another way, if I need three apples, one or two apples is better than no apples, correct?

As my grandfather used to say, "It's better than a kick in the head, sure." (enhance with wicked maine drawl here)

[subego]

Originally Posted by Laminar 

Republicans: Raising the minimum wage would put make businesses unprofitable and force them to shutdown.

Democrats: Raising the minimum wage results in local consumers having more money to spend locally, increasing profits at local businesses.

Have experiments or analyses been done to measure this sort of outcome?

From when this was last brought up in the PWL ages ago, the argument is more...

Republican economists: MW is a price floor, and it constricts demand as price floors do. Increasing the MW will constrict the demand for labor, and will therefore increase unemployment.

Democratic economists: that’s the theory, but not what actually happens.

The Democrats don’t need to get to the increased consumer spending argument because their thesis is the Republicans are incorrect in the first place.


If I recall correctly, the Democratic economists have decent data to support their proposition, but I’m sure there’s some level we could set the MW and it would end up doing what the Republicans say it would do.

[Laminar]

Originally Posted by andi*pandi 

I think Reaganomics trickle-down theory failure might be proof.

GIven the deification of Reagan by modern day Republicans, I don't think trickle-down is widely believed to be a failure.

The Repubs are fearmongering. Big business can definitely afford to pay $15 min wage and the CEOS will still get million-dollar bonuses. <50 employees? Not sure.

Given that McDonalds' and Wal-Mart's employees are the biggest consumers of welfare and other government benefits, one wonders that, were those benefits not available, would Wal-Mart and McDonalds have to raise their wages?

[Doc HM]

Originally Posted by Laminar 

Republicans: Raising the minimum wage would put make businesses unprofitable and force them to shutdown.

Democrats: Raising the minimum wage results in local consumers having more money to spend locally, increasing profits at local businesses.

Have experiments or analyses been done to measure this sort of outcome?

Republicans/Tories: Lets run the experiment for 40 years and see if we are right. Oh we aren't. Never mind lets keep doing it in case the facts change.

Democrats/Labour: Lets try it our way and see shall we?

Republicans/Tories/brainwashed masses: What! Are you mad!! What if you are wrong? Also bosses like it this way.

[Doc HM]

Originally Posted by Laminar 

GIven the deification of Reagan by modern day Republicans, I don't think trickle-down is widely believed to be a failure.

And those two things are related how?
And by not a failure do you mean wildly wildly WILDLY inefficient?

[Laminar]

Originally Posted by Doc HM 

And those two things are related how?
And by not a failure do you mean wildly wildly WILDLY inefficient?

Republicans love Reagan and believe he was the perfect president. He swept the '84 election, showing how unified our country was. No president since him can compare.

Because of that perception, his policies must be assumed to be wonderful and perfect.

According to a significant percentage of the US population, trickle down is still a valid theory. Any information suggesting otherwise is fake news, liberal university bullshit, Democratic propaganda, socialism, communism, etc.

[subego]

Have Christiane Amanpour and Ghislane Maxwell ever been in the same room?

[taha166]

We need leaders like Martin King Luthor and people that an unite all races, color people together. His hard working abiulities is a must to follow by everyone.

[subego]

Originally Posted by taha166 

Martin King Luthor

“Soon after his debut, Marvel was quick to introduce their own character, Professor X Malcolm.”

[Laminar]

Originally Posted by taha166 

Martin King Luthor

Arch nemesis of Supremacyman.

[Laminar]

"I have a dream that one day, children will be judged not by color of their sun, but by the content of their kryptonite."

[subego]

Originally Posted by Laminar 

Arch nemesis of Supremacyman.

Winner.

[mindwaves]

What are those notification windows that appear in websites called? They have small [x] on there to close and are usually positioned on the top of the browser and fill up the entire width but can also appear anywhere in varying sizes. Oftentimes many websites have 1-2 that I have to close before I can even view the page. Any Safari blockers for this?

[andi*pandi]

If they are not an actual new window, they are a modal popup done w javascript.

[Laminar]

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[andi*pandi]

You want a coupon code don"t you

[P]

Originally Posted by andi*pandi 

If they are not an actual new window, they are a modal popup done w javascript.

I've heard them referred to as lightboxes.

[andi*pandi]

Lightboxes tend to be for enhanced image viewers (akin to looking at images on a backlit table in the design studio).

[P]

I know that meaning of the word, but I’ve heard it for all those cookie notification/subscribe to our newsletter type things as well.