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gorickey · May 6, 2002, 01:59 PM

I take it Jobs is showcasing a build of 10.2 on stage, right? Or is he simply talking about the new features?

kman42 · May 6, 2002, 02:01 PM

Quartz Extreme: Takes the compositing engine in Quartz, and accelerates it in graphics cards. Combines 2D, 3D and video in one hardware pipeline via OpenGL.

Agasthya · May 6, 2002, 02:01 PM

Quartz Extreme: Takes the compositing engine in Quartz, and accelerates it in graphics cards. Combines 2D, 3D and video in one hardware pipeline via OpenGL.

Guy Incognito · May 6, 2002, 02:01 PM

We've already got Sherlock 3.2...wouldn't Sherlock 3 be a step down?

::maroma:: · May 6, 2002, 02:02 PM

Come ooooooooooooon GPU announcement!

(me hoping that it's one of Steve's famous "...oh yeah, and one more thing..." things)

xi_hyperon · May 6, 2002, 02:02 PM

Quartz Extreme: Takes the compositing engine in Quartz, and accelerates it in graphics cards. Combines 2D, 3D and video in one hardware pipeline via OpenGL.

WOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

Neo.cmg · May 6, 2002, 02:02 PM

OMFG!!

Quartz Extreme: Takes the compositing engine in Quartz, and accelerates it in graphics cards. Combines 2D, 3D and video in one hardware pipeline via OpenGL. "Everything on the screen is being drawn in hardware by OpenGL." Requires AGP 2x and 32MB of video RAM

Mr Scruff · May 6, 2002, 02:02 PM

Quartz Extreme: Takes the compositing engine in Quartz, and accelerates it in graphics cards. Combines 2D, 3D and video in one hardware pipeline via OpenGL.

YEAH BABY YEAH!!!

kman42 · May 6, 2002, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by agasthya:
Quartz Extreme: Takes the compositing engine in Quartz, and accelerates it in graphics cards. Combines 2D, 3D and video in one hardware pipeline via OpenGL.

I win. Nah, we all win!

::maroma:: · May 6, 2002, 02:03 PM

WOOOOOOOOOHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEYYYYYYAA AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

SO fuggin happy about GPU!

Guy Incognito · May 6, 2002, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by ::maroma:::
Come ooooooooooooon GPU announcement!

(me hoping that it's one of Steve's famous "...oh yeah, and one more thing..." things)

You got you ****in' GPU announcement...now calm down!

Millennium · May 6, 2002, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by ::maroma:::
Come ooooooooooooon GPU announcement!

(me hoping that it's one of Steve's famous "...oh yeah, and one more thing..." things)

Are you happy now?

workerbee · May 6, 2002, 02:03 PM

Eating crow right now.

Quartz Extreme

Wahoo!

xi_hyperon · May 6, 2002, 02:04 PM

AGP 2x and 32MB video RAM are required for this new technology.

DOH!

iHolger uMax · May 6, 2002, 02:04 PM

Graphic acceleration!!!

Colonel Panic · May 6, 2002, 02:04 PM

needs AGP 2x and 32MB cards.

No portables will be able to use this except last week's Powerbooks?

urgh....

Voch · May 6, 2002, 02:04 PM

Requires AGP 2x and 32MB of video RAM

...and my iBook has 8MB of VRAM. Bummer.

Oh well...I guess I'll buy a new iBook in a year or two if I want Quartz Extreme. As long as Quartz is no slower in Jaguar than it is now (it's really OK on my iBook/500 now).

Voch

Guy Incognito · May 6, 2002, 02:05 PM

I think I made a mess in my pants...brb!

[ 05-06-2002: Message edited by: Guy Incognito ]

macaddled · May 6, 2002, 02:05 PM

Yes!!!

+requires 32mb vram, and macaddled just bought a Radeon. aw yeah.

kman42 · May 6, 2002, 02:05 PM

I think steve just generated the largest puddle of pee ever as mac users everywhere simultaneously wet their pants.

Diggory Laycock · May 6, 2002, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by kman42:


I win. Nah, we all win!

Wrong Daddio -

It is not possible on older graphics cards like RAGE 128 cards, said Jobs -- that means it'll work on newer iMacs and eMacs, but not on older machines, he emphasized. AGP 2x and 32MB video RAM are required for this new technology.

Agasthya · May 6, 2002, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by macaddled:
Yes!!!

+requires 32mb vram, and macaddled just bought a Radeon. aw yeah.

I guess my GeForce 3 will do

Millennium · May 6, 2002, 02:07 PM

I will say that I don't buy this "It's not possible on older graphics cards" bit that Apple's throwing at us. If it uses OpenGL, then it should be more than possible to make it work on older cards, as long as they support OpenGL.

I don't know, admittedly, how well it could be made to work. But I have no doubt that on pretty much everything out there it would be an improvement over the current situation. This looks to me to just be a scam to drive more hardware sales, and I'm not buying it. While I'll probably get a new Mac eventually, I'm not getting one just for this.

gorickey · May 6, 2002, 02:07 PM

GPU? Can somebody please deciper what exactly that is for stupid me please?

Guy Incognito · May 6, 2002, 02:07 PM

Kinda unfortunate that the slower computers will remain slow. And the faster computers that can already handle Quartz quite well, will handle it it like a god!

SkullMacPN · May 6, 2002, 02:07 PM

Hazza! My retail Radeon just makes it in my Sawtooth 350!

Developer · May 6, 2002, 02:07 PM

My Mac has a Rage 128

kman42 · May 6, 2002, 02:08 PM

Jobs said this puts Apple two years ahead of "the other guys."

I guess they have been working on it for a while.

I'm happy my G4/867 will fly now. I'm replacing my Lombard late this year anyway. Anyone want it?

Millennium · May 6, 2002, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
GPU? Can somebody please deciper what exactly that is for stupid me please?

A GPU is the main chipset on a video card. It stands for Graphics Processing Unit.

Usually video cards are referred to by the type of GPU they use.

JB72 · May 6, 2002, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by Neo.cmg:
OMFG!!

Quartz Extreme: Takes the compositing engine in Quartz, and accelerates...

Yes folks, I believe the eagle has landed.

Builds of Jag will be hotter then the pre-betas. The snappy factor has hit the friggin roof.

tenchi71 · May 6, 2002, 02:08 PM

hrm... I wonder if there will be no Quartz Extreme for all of us with Radeon PCI cards.... we shall see...

Guy Incognito · May 6, 2002, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by Millennium:
I will say that I don't buy this "It's not possible on older graphics cards" bit that Apple's throwing at us. If it uses OpenGL, then it should be more than possible to make it work on older cards, as long as they support OpenGL.

I don't know, admittedly, how well it could be made to work. But I have no doubt that on pretty much everything out there it would be an improvement over the current situation. This looks to me to just be a scam to drive more hardware sales, and I'm not buying it. While I'll probably get a new Mac eventually, I'm not getting one just for this.

Nah...it probably takes a crap load of memory to handle all the Quartz graphics. I don't think Apple is ********ting you.

kman42 · May 6, 2002, 02:10 PM

Inkwell. Handwriting recognition technology. Recognized by any application that uses text.

That's been sitting in the basement for a while!

::maroma:: · May 6, 2002, 02:10 PM

needs AGP 2x and 32MB cards.

Looks like I better start savin up for a new vid card!

.....now, if I could only be put in a cryogenic state for about 4 months, I'd be set!

Mr_Solar_Wind · May 6, 2002, 02:10 PM

HOLY FSCKING **** !!! INKWELL!!!!

gorickey · May 6, 2002, 02:10 PM

What machine is he running the build of 10.2 on? Any idea?

pegges · May 6, 2002, 02:11 PM

Inkwell revealed: "Inkwell. Handwriting recognition technology. Recognized by any application that uses text.
"

Guy Incognito · May 6, 2002, 02:11 PM

Inkwell!!!!

iHolger uMax · May 6, 2002, 02:11 PM

Time to get that interim GF2 MX 400 before I buy that new machine!

bacchus · May 6, 2002, 02:12 PM

Well if I needed another reason to be happy as hell about buying the new Ti, GPU use in 10.2 is it.

Damn I cannot wait.

bacchus

mr_sonicblue · May 6, 2002, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by Millennium:
I will say that I don't buy this "It's not possible on older graphics cards" bit that Apple's throwing at us. If it uses OpenGL, then it should be more than possible to make it work on older cards, as long as they support OpenGL.

In Quartz, every window's content is buffered seperately before the ufll screen is drawn. This means you need FAR more memory than is used in a normal double-buffered environment (like in a video game).

dbergstrom · May 6, 2002, 02:12 PM

Inkwell. Handwriting recognition technology. Recognized by any application that uses text.

uochris · May 6, 2002, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by Millennium:
This looks to me to just be a scam to drive more hardware sales, and I'm not buying it. While I'll probably get a new Mac eventually, I'm not getting one just for this.

Well it worked for me. I wasn't going to be upgrading my powerbook but if this actually does make a big difference than I will be buying a new one. I'll have to wait and see how much of a difference it makes before I drop down my cash though.

Guy Incognito · May 6, 2002, 02:12 PM

Enough, enough, I can't take it anymore. The supposed overhype of 10.2 was actually underhype.

JC Denton · May 6, 2002, 02:12 PM

The CLI has just become the H-CLI (handwrite command line interface)!

vi using my Wacom in Terminal!

Practical? Probably not. Cool? Undeniably.

[ 05-06-2002: Message edited by: JC Denton ]

Millennium · May 6, 2002, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by pegges:
Inkwell revealed: "Inkwell. Handwriting recognition technology. Recognized by any application that uses text.
"

Indeed. I don't see much practical use for this technology as the Mac currently stands...

...does this mean something else is in the works? Perhaps those Apple PDA rumors we all laugh at just might have some merit to them after all?

macaddled · May 6, 2002, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by Guy Incognito:
Inkwell!!!!

Oh no, with Inkwell and GPU acceleration (read: Raycer buyout), AppleInsider now has no reason to exist.

RIP AppleInsider

kman42 · May 6, 2002, 02:13 PM

i smell new hardware in sept. how many people have writing tablets to take advantage of inkwell?!

workerbee · May 6, 2002, 02:14 PM

Hey! Lay off maccentral, will you, guys? It's getting really Aqua-slow here

Looks like Jaguar is indeed gonna be it. Big way. They can ask US$200 for it I don't care...

How fitting that CinemaScape is playing the immortal Indiana Jones Theme Soundtrack!

[ 05-06-2002: Message edited by: workerbee ]

Bophasa · May 6, 2002, 02:14 PM

Rendezvous Dynamic IP discovery. Lets computers "dynamically discover each other and share them." Proposing as a new industry standard.