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nobitacu · 02:20 PM

Macrumors.com has posted the news that both Mac OS X 10.3.3 and Safari 1.2 were seeded to developers today. They didn't mention too much about the changes to the OS though, but improve graphics and OpenGL is great news. Safari 1.2 sounds really really nice now with the improved tap features. I'm sure more news will be out once people start testing this seed. The updates were said to be 75.5 MB in total. I hope to see the complete update list soon for 10.3.3 as well as Safari.

Ming

Mac OS X 10.3.3 (7F24) and Safari 1.2 Seeded

Apple has seeded a new version of Mac OS X to developers. Seed 7F24 has been posted with major changes to "Graphics, OpenGL games, USB devices, printing, browsing networks, Cocoa applications".

Of most interest is the inclusion of Safari 1.2 (current released version is 1.1.1).

The newest version of Safari includes a number of significant improvements:

- Ability to "tab" to form elements (buttons, checkboxes, submit buttons)
- The option (on/off) to "tab" to hyperlinks
- Improved download manager with resume
- View dimensions of an image
- Custom cursor support
- Option to open links from applications "in a new tab in the current window"
- Improved performance

Xeo · Jan 29, 2004, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by nobitacu:
- Improved download manager with resume
- View dimensions of an image

These two are welcomed additions indeed. Especially resuming downloads.

- Option to open links from applications "in a new tab in the current window"

We already have that. If tabs are enabled, just set the page to open in current window and it goes into a new tab.

Krypton · Jan 29, 2004, 02:17 PM

mmm new Safari

gorickey · Jan 29, 2004, 02:23 PM

About time...awesome, can't wait...

CheesePuff · Jan 29, 2004, 03:40 PM

Hmm, custom cursors, I never really liked it when a web site changed the systems cursor when I browse the net on a Windows machine. Luckily it won't change the scroll bar (I hope).

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Jan 29, 2004, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by Xeo:

We already have that. If tabs are enabled, just set the page to open in current window and it goes into a new tab.

Really? I am thinking with newsNetWire when you tell it to open a link it always does new window. The developer says it is not possible with tabs right now.

Ambassadeur · Jan 29, 2004, 06:07 PM

Still no sign of improvements to Safari's printing features then (or lack thereof)?

Snief

mishap · Jan 29, 2004, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Really? I am thinking with newsNetWire when you tell it to open a link it always does new window. The developer says it is not possible with tabs right now.

What Xeo said... in preferences / general / open links from other applications / in current window

-Q- · Jan 29, 2004, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by Ambassadeur:
Still no sign of improvements to Safari's printing features then (or lack thereof)? Snief

That's what I was hoping to see. I get some wonky printouts out of safari right now...

mitchell_pgh · Jan 29, 2004, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by -Q-:
That's what I was hoping to see. I get some wonky printouts out of safari right now...

And slow, slow, slow...

One of the few reasons I keep Netscape around...

Ambassadeur · Jan 29, 2004, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by -Q-:
That's what I was hoping to see. I get some wonky printouts out of safari right now...

And after getting them printed out, wonky (love that one!) or not, you completely lose track of them without header or footer or whatever - and the spilt ink from printing the whole damn background smears over the paper!

After all the discussions on missing Safari printing features in Apple's forums I expected some of the most mourned-about features to show up in the next version. Hm, but what always remains is hope!

Xyphoid Process · Jan 29, 2004, 07:30 PM

Any idea if this update fixes the problem with GeForce2MX cards in Sawtooths?

iPond317 · Jan 29, 2004, 07:32 PM

Any word on if this update fixes the damn FireWire problems giving some users nearly unresponsive systems?

gorickey · Jan 29, 2004, 07:33 PM

I've read that Safari v1.2 only works with 10.3.3 (or later)...I am sure that won't sit pretty with all Jaguar users you may never get another Safari update....

Grrr · Jan 29, 2004, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
I've read that Safari v1.2 only works with 10.3.3 (or later)...I am sure that won't sit pretty with all Jaguar users you may never get another Safari update....

I read that too. well, actually, I saw Safari 1.2 and the 10.3.3 update on a certain BT tracker. And this is where it said that Safari 1.2 needs OS 10.3.3
And no, I didnt download either of them. I'll wait for the final pukka goods from Apple.

OS 10.3.3 update looks to be 75.01mb
Safari 1.2 update looks like 3.77mb, and is build number V125

akuma-x · Jan 29, 2004, 09:04 PM

Safari uses webcore to render sites. Webcore is something that is build into the OS. So unless Apple decides to update webcore for 10.2 (which I highly doubt) then Safari is always going to be bound to the newest OS ver.

case and point, you must be running 10.3.3 (that has an updated webcore) to run Safari 1.2.

mitchell_pgh · Jan 29, 2004, 09:49 PM

So I can start feeling good about dumping $129 on an OS upgrade...

gorickey · Jan 29, 2004, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by akuma-x:
So unless Apple decides to update webcore for 10.2 (which I highly doubt)

If Apple doesn't, somebody else can though....the beauty of open source (pending they release it as they should to developers)....

akuma-x · Jan 29, 2004, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
If Apple doesn't, somebody else can though....the beauty of open source (pending they release it as they should to developers)....

the part that is open source is the KHTML part. Webcore is Apples. So yes, Apple would need to release any source for code changes they made to KHTML but not the whole webcore source. webcore is a mix of KHTML and proprietary code that Apple uses.

clebin · Jan 29, 2004, 10:09 PM

Are any more DVD writers supported in 10.3.3?

I'm thinking of the NEC ND-1300A drive in particular.

It's about time Apple pulled its finger out on this!

Chris

gorickey · Jan 29, 2004, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by akuma-x:
the part that is open source is the KHTML part. Webcore is Apples. So yes, Apple would need to release any source for code changes they made to KHTML but not the whole webcore source. webcore is a mix of KHTML and proprietary code that Apple uses.

Yes, sorry for the confusion; however, we'll find out how OW 5 handles things since it supports both Jag/Panther...

brink · Jan 29, 2004, 11:02 PM

Sounds great. Now if they'd just add a real print preview...

akuma-x · Jan 29, 2004, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
Yes, sorry for the confusion; however, we'll find out how OW 5 handles things since it supports both Jag/Panther...

Yeah after playing w/ OW5 @ Mac world I'm eager to get my hands on it.

Oneota · Jan 30, 2004, 12:06 AM

Originally posted by -Q-:
That's what I was hoping to see. I get some wonky printouts out of safari right now...

Hopefully some of Hyatt's improvements make it in this - specifically support for printing page breaks.

If they do add header/footers, I hope they have some way to turn 'em off, too!

JLL · Jan 30, 2004, 04:52 AM

Originally posted by Grrr:
OS 10.3.3 update looks to be 75.01mb

The current seed is a combo update and includes 10.3.1 and 10.3.2.

JLL · Jan 30, 2004, 04:54 AM

Originally posted by akuma-x:
the part that is open source is the KHTML part. Webcore is Apples. So yes, Apple would need to release any source for code changes they made to KHTML but not the whole webcore source. webcore is a mix of KHTML and proprietary code that Apple uses.

http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/webcore/

Chuckit · Jan 30, 2004, 06:49 AM

Originally posted by JLL:
http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/webcore/

Yeah, I kind of figured he meant WebKit.

mac15 · 05:21 PM

got it working in 10.3.2

http://mac15.ambitiouslemon.com/safari.jpg

[Edit: No huge inline images!!! -- tooki]

gorickey · Jan 30, 2004, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by mac15:
got it working in 10.3.2

Nevermind what OS it's working in...how is the update?!?

mac15 · Jan 30, 2004, 09:07 AM

The updates working well so far, no glicthes. Apart from PithHelmet not working (I realise it needs ot be updated)

brutal · Jan 30, 2004, 09:35 AM

so... when will this be released to the public?
before 2.feb I hope, so I can try it before I start using OmniWeb5

gorickey · Jan 30, 2004, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by mac15:
The updates working well so far, no glicthes.

Any faster? How is memory usage? How are the new features? Can you give a review of the differences/performance compared to v1.1.1?

mac15 · Jan 30, 2004, 10:17 AM

those are features I haven't looked into a great deal. Its 1am, I'll throw something up on the web tomorrow morning. But by then who knows Apple-X may have reviewed it, they always jump ontop of this kinda of thing.

Gankdawg · Jan 30, 2004, 10:51 AM

Minimum font size! Minimum font size! Minimum font size! (for Safari)

cpac · Jan 30, 2004, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by Gankdawg:
Minimum font size! Minimum font size! Minimum font size! (for Safari)

I think AppleInsider had screenshots indicating this was a new (accessible) preference

cybergoober · Jan 30, 2004, 12:56 PM

Safari still needs some work�

Safari open, idle, two pages loaded in tabs:
+-80% CPU usage

In 10.3.2 with Safari 1.1.1
5 tabs open no more than 5% CPU usage.

Krypton · Jan 30, 2004, 04:10 PM

Apparently Safari 1.2 can be made to work if you extract webkit.framework from the 10.3.3 updater.

Krypton · Jan 30, 2004, 05:12 PM

There is no resume function. The rumour sites have got this confused with 'reload'. Pressing the orange button merely starts the download from scratch again in my experience (however this could change).

iPond317 · Jan 30, 2004, 05:15 PM

Umm, as I asked above, is there any sign of a fix for the FireWire issues a lot of users are experiencing?

pat++ · Jan 30, 2004, 06:20 PM

can anyone test if redraws/animations/page loading are still frozen when the mouse is in the menu bar, or if they fixed it?

nobitacu · Jan 30, 2004, 07:14 PM

I love it when updates come out. Can't wait until the final version of both updates are out, I'll be one of the first to download and try it again. I've had pretty good luck with it so far, that and I keep my OS healthly always, so I never have any problems in my OS after updates. At least, not yet, but oh well, I guess I just like being the first, just to make sure it'll be working right for you guys I guess.

Ming

handras · Jan 30, 2004, 10:02 PM

Here is a little video:

Safari 1.2 download feature

Horsepoo!!! · Jan 30, 2004, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by handras:
Here is a little video:

Safari 1.2 download feature

Myyy keyyyyys aaaaree stttttickyyyyy nnoooooow...

gorickey · Jan 30, 2004, 10:28 PM

Awww, the little things...

OwlBoy · Jan 30, 2004, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
Myyy keyyyyys aaaaree stttttickyyyyy nnoooooow...

hehe, quite an advanced feature for our little safari, eh?

I wish there were many more improvements like this.

-Owl

Horsepoo!!! · Jan 30, 2004, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by OwlBoy:
hehe, quite an advanced feature for our little safari, eh?

I wish there were many more improvements like this.

-Owl

Yeah.

Well to give MS some credit, this icon feedback feature was available in IE years ago.

But I'm really glad to see this coming to my favorite browser.

Oh...and handras? thanks for the the video.

How's the rendering speed anyways. We need moooore.

ps I changed keyboards...

handras · Jan 30, 2004, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
Yeah.

Well to give MS some credit, this icon feedback feature was available in IE years ago.

What? I don't remember this IE feature... I never seen animated icon in XP.

Sorry for my bad english

handras · Jan 30, 2004, 10:48 PM

I think the rendering speed is ok, but I don't see any difference, because I'm on Dual 2 Gig, and it's always fast.

ryaxnb · Jan 30, 2004, 10:50 PM

Originally posted by Gankdawg:
Minimum font size! Minimum font size! Minimum font size! (for Safari)

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/17776

Gankdawg · Jan 30, 2004, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by ryaxnb:
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/17776

I've tried this and it doesn't work.