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KellyHogan · Jun 5, 2002, 04:31 AM

Installed on Ti-Book and IMac Superdrive. Apart from improvements under the hood there doesn't seem to be any noticable difference. iDisk is much faster but slower than connecting with Windows. It seems to be taking some time to list files (but not folders).

seb2 · Jun 5, 2002, 04:32 AM

sorry if that's been posted before, but i can finally (!) reduce the processor speed even on my ti 400. hooray!

dividend · Jun 5, 2002, 04:46 AM

weird, I cannot find anywhere to reduce processor-speed under energy-saving for my Ti550. Does the chip not have that function? Can anyone helpt to confirm on what portables 10.1.5 offers reduced processor-speed?

Technicolor · Jun 5, 2002, 05:09 AM

My iBook 500 has the reduce processor speed option.

[ 06-05-2002, 05:10 AM: Message edited by: Technicolor ]

shortcipher · Jun 5, 2002, 05:16 AM

thank god, I can finally connect to my NT4 server without crashing the Finder!!!

clebin · Jun 5, 2002, 05:28 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ducasi:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by tetzel1517:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Worst. Episode. Ever.:
Well, there goes 46 days of uptime on my iBook. :sigh:<hr /></blockquote>You don't need to lose your uptime when you update. Instead of restarting when it asks you to, open Terminal and type "sudo shutdown now" (without quotes, obviously). You'll get a black screen with some white text on it. Type "exit" and after a few moments, OS X will boot again, with no loss of uptime.<hr /></blockquote>This does not do what you want.

You are not rebooting.

You are not getting the new kernel.

You are still running (mostly) the old operating system without the updates.

You are kidding yourself.

If you want 1337 up71m35 then don't update your system.

If you want to have the latest stable system, do the update and reboot.<hr /></blockquote>Can I add that you're a being an idiot. Do the world a favour and shut down your machine when you're not using it.

Chris

BZ · Jun 5, 2002, 05:44 AM

Thought I would chime in.

Update went fine. Hung when it was trying to reboot (I am convinced that my computer has forgetten how to reboot since I do it so very little). No problems with anything else. iDisk is very nice. Everything else is under the hood.

OTOH: Office on my Powerbook went great. On my Powermac, after the update, all apps would crash within 1 second of starting up. I moved preferences, moved user settings. Booted into another user and had no problem. Booted back to me (user) and would not work. Used the terminal and SU to copy over the folder of preferences from one user to anohter (left permissions). Office worked. I changed owner on the folder = Office stopped working. Changed it to root and opened up the permissions. Seems to work. V. strange. I will send it into MS.

BZ

Kate · Jun 5, 2002, 06:35 AM

...all went well, new energy savings settings for the iBook, but nothing else appears different. Maybe Mail crashes less.
I saw suddenly more free disk space after the update. I am not sure since I did not check exactly before and after. Maybe it was only the installer sweeping after updating.

The so called speed up for iDisk is mostly due to a little bit of cashing of directories. If you have a long list of files in your sites folder you will wait abysmal long as usual. Caching is not so intelligently made as to remember all files in a directory, just the few that were lastly displayed in the Finder window. If the list exceedes the window size you see the CD spinning for ages when scrolling. Poor. Back to Goliath for the time being.

eno · Jun 5, 2002, 06:37 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by tetzel1517:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Worst. Episode. Ever.:
Well, there goes 46 days of uptime on my iBook. :sigh:<hr /></blockquote>You don't need to lose your uptime when you update. Instead of restarting when it asks you to, open Terminal and type "sudo shutdown now" (without quotes, obviously). You'll get a black screen with some white text on it. Type "exit" and after a few moments, OS X will boot again, with no loss of uptime.<hr /></blockquote>This is the dumbest-ass advice I've read on these forums for a long time.

Don't get into the habit of avoiding reboots in this way for OS updates. If the updates include new versions of the kernel then the only way in which they can take effect is with a proper reboot.

Otherwise, you're running your brand new, updated OS on top of old plumbing. Bad, bad, bad, idea.

In future, if you don't know what you're talking about, don't post advice.

Group51 · Jun 5, 2002, 06:48 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by starman:
Is it "snappier"?

Mike<hr /></blockquote>Yes. Yes it is :-)

solitere · Jun 5, 2002, 07:01 AM

Like some people I came across one of the beta 10.1.5 versions. And after reading some tips about deleting the recipe for the older 10.1.5 update to update to the new version.

But that trick doesn�t work on my machine.. is there any other tips and tricks that I can do to make it work!

ich bis · Jun 5, 2002, 07:03 AM

i'm glad apple finally did something to keep it's promise made 3-4 years ago. unfortunately i can't see a tremendous improvement on my wallstreet powerbook. things seem snappier, but in some cases (window dragging) i am seriously asking myself if it's not some sort of placebo effect when i say things are better now.
i've installed the update without knowing that the rage pro drivers were updated, too. i didn't really notice any change until i read that the drivers were updated.

i am wondering about other wallstreet owners' experiences...

Skinlayers · Jun 5, 2002, 07:09 AM

Wow. ATI Rage Pro support. I'm going to love is sooooo much.... after I finish reinstalling my OS

Ran the update, downloaded & installed without a problem. Complete hangs on boot shortly after getting the smiley i-found-your-os Mac icon. Booted into OS 9 and ran Norton. Fix some minor problems. Still freezes on boot.

Thank GOD my hard drive is in 3 partition (OS 9, OS X, general data (mp3s, pr0n, Users folder).

System:
Rev C. iMac (266MHz)
384MB RAM
upgraded 60GB IBM hard drive
QPS Que! USB CD-RW

This runs as our (my roommate and I's) network server.
It is running:
Samba
natd
OSXVNC server

It could be because of the unique variation I used to move my Users folder to another partition. If I used a symbolic (or soft) link (ln -s) it would have trouble adding a new user to the system. So, instead I 'aliased' each of the individual user folders inside of the Users folder.

So, I backed up my netinfo database (/etc/var/db/*), samba configuration & passwords (/usr/local/samba/lib & private), and a couple of configuration files in /etc and am in the middle of reinstalling & configuring OS X.

Do you think there will be a problem using my netinfo database that I backed up?

Anyone else have this particular problem?

I'll let you know how it turns out.

Marienbad · Jun 5, 2002, 07:16 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by BZ:
Thought I would chime in.

Update went fine. Hung when it was trying to reboot (I am convinced that my computer has forgetten how to reboot since I do it so very little). . . .

BZ<hr /></blockquote>After I upgraded I got three kernel panics at various times i the startup -- once when initializing the network and once starting powerdelete. I didn't pay attention to the third message -- but on the fourth try it worked fine. I haven't noticed any great change so far.

godzookie2k · Jun 5, 2002, 07:45 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Kristoff:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by sandman:
Now just waiting for the IE update to come out...<hr /></blockquote>Why??? It will never be W3C standards compliant and will therefore always suck!

Use Mozilla.<hr /></blockquote>This isn't anywhere remotely close to being on topic but IE Mac is probably one of the MOST standards compliant browsers on the market. Moreso than IE6 Win. Mozilla is great, I use it 24, but don't knock explorer:mac for (all around) being one of the best browsers on the planet.

Re: 10.1.5 Weee, update went friendly. No KP's (amazingly) and everything is great. iDisk is insane-crazy-fast. No real UI speedups here aside from the prebinding/restart boosts.

iJed · Jun 5, 2002, 07:47 AM

Installed 10.1.5 update on my rev B iMac 233 with 192M RAM. The speed difference is incredible with all windows dragging smoothly and menus drawing much faster. This update finally makes the RAGE Pro iMac a usable OS X machine.

asxless · Jun 5, 2002, 08:02 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by seb2:
sorry if that's been posted before, but i can finally (!) reduce the processor speed even on my ti 400. hooray!<hr /></blockquote>Thanks, I hadn't noticed that nice little feature update for older TiBooks. It's a step in the right direction for PowerBooks and iBooks, which should let my TiBook 500 run a little cooler this summer. Now for separate settings while on battery and power adapter

asxles in iLand

[ 06-05-2002, 08:15 AM: Message edited by: asxless ]

altimac · Jun 5, 2002, 08:41 AM

upgrade was really easy, my g4/400 reboot without any problem... except i lost many screen resolution

i was able to reach 1280*1024 @100Hz with my flashed geforce2 under 10.1.4... now i'm limited to 75Hz at this resolution !
checking/unchecking the "protection" ('show all frequencies' IIRC) in display pref pane don't change anything...

am i the only one ?
do zapping pram change something ?

please help

btw : i have the famous Iiyama vision pro 450 (19")

thanks

dwishbone · Jun 5, 2002, 09:27 AM

Wow! Is this the same OS? I have been using X since I bought my iBook 500 when it was originally released. I have loved it, and despite it's quirks it has been my default OS the whole time. But, I have to tell you...this new patch does wonders for an iBook. I doubt it as noticeable on a faster system, but on an slower machine it is a Godsend. All of the windows now open and scale nearly as fast if not as fast as MacOS 9 now and it easily beats my Windows XP box in this area (1G with crap load of RAM and a GeForce running XP...so not shabby by PC standards). All the apps run better now due to the addition of Rage Pro graphics acceleration. About time. I find it funny that the iBook was the first series of Macs all to ship with MacOS X as the default operating system and a year later it's not even supported by that very operating system fully (Quartz Extreme will only work on Radeons and Geforce cards). It looks like Apple has rethought this...since afterall 10.1.5 now has hardware acceleration for Rage Pro. 10.1.5 also squashed all the major bugs I hated is X...it now has a faster iDisk, better quicktime playback (QT6 and graphics acceleration), faster sherlock, and Carbon applications can take advantage of Quartz text smoothing. I can't wait for RealBasic to support text smoothing. Keep up the good work Apple and I can't wait for Jaguar.

Nai no Kami · Jun 5, 2002, 09:31 AM

I have ran the update on my blueberry iBook. That Rage Pro support really works!. Now menus seem a little faster, window resizing appears to be faster, window dragging is noticeably smoother as well as the genies, scrolling is definitely improved as well as navigating in column view, I can enjoy non OpenGL screensavers, Quicktime plays smooth in normal size as well as double size, fill screen and full screen modes. I am REALLY happy with that. For me, this update has been the best of all by far.

A little off topic, QT6 PPr launches in one bounce. Compared to the several bounces I had to witness before, it is inedible. Can other apps be optimized like this?.

Blueberry iBook, G3 300MHz, 3GB, 160MB RAM.

brachiator · Jun 5, 2002, 09:44 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by solitere:
Like some people I came across one of the beta 10.1.5 versions. And after reading some tips about deleting the recipe for the older 10.1.5 update to update to the new version.

But that trick doesn�t work on my machine.. is there any other tips and tricks that I can do to make it work!<hr /></blockquote>look on page 2 of this thread for info about editing SystemVersion.plist, which one post *claims* works on this. Or you could just wait for the standalone installer to be released

BTW, in response to the comment about Netscape 6.2.2 "flying" under this update -- Netscrape 7pr is really impressing me (relatively). Whether it is this update or the new version of NS, it seems to load, run, load pages, etc., very smoothly, and not much slower at all than IE or the latest beta (not SP) of Omni.

DOES anyone know how to hack Netscape or Moz so that it invokes the system-set default mailer for sending mail when mail-to's are clicked?

10.1.5 seems to really fly overall! And I have a relatively slow old machine, as below.

Andrew 8808 · Jun 5, 2002, 09:52 AM

Update went smoothly. However, last night I had some weird PPP problems. Never had them before. It could've been my ISP as it seems ok now. And as far as I see, I don't notice any snappiness. And iDisk, while a bit faster, still hangs the Finder for me. So I shall use Goliath still.

Anyhoo, it seems like it's a good update for those w/ older Rage cards.
No kernel panics either *crosses fingers*

P · Jun 5, 2002, 10:01 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by clebin:
Can I add that you're a being an idiot. Do the world a favour and shut down your machine when you're not using it.

Chris<hr /></blockquote>If you're talking about saving energy, then the Mac draws next to nothing when in sleep mode. It draws full blast when booting though, so I'm not sure you're saving energy by turning the machine off all the time. I pull the plug when I go away for the weekend, but not anything shorter.

mlknowle · Jun 5, 2002, 10:38 AM

Has anyone else noticed that navigating through a folder or alias in the dock after right clicking to see contents is MUCH MUCH faster? At least this is the case on my Pismo 400

JLL · Jun 5, 2002, 10:53 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by dwishbone:
Wow! Is this the same OS? I have been using X since I bought my iBook 500 when it was originally released. I have loved it, and despite it's quirks it has been my default OS the whole time. But, I have to tell you...this new patch does wonders for an iBook. I doubt it as noticeable on a faster system, but on an slower machine it is a Godsend. All of the windows now open and scale nearly as fast if not as fast as MacOS 9 now and it easily beats my Windows XP box in this area (1G with crap load of RAM and a GeForce running XP...so not shabby by PC standards). All the apps run better now due to the addition of Rage Pro graphics acceleration.<hr /></blockquote>Uhm, your iBook has a Rage Mobility 128 - not a Rage Pro.

gumby5647 · Jun 5, 2002, 10:58 AM

once again, i ask....

"Rage Pro support"

does this include the Rage II series?

funkboy · Jun 5, 2002, 10:59 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by dwishbone:
Wow! Is this the same OS? I have been using X since I bought my iBook 500 when it was originally released. I have loved it, and despite it's quirks it has been my default OS the whole time. But, I have to tell you...this new patch does wonders for an iBook. I doubt it as noticeable on a faster system, but on an slower machine it is a Godsend. All of the windows now open and scale nearly as fast if not as fast as MacOS 9 now and it easily beats my Windows XP box in this area (1G with crap load of RAM and a GeForce running XP...so not shabby by PC standards). All the apps run better now due to the addition of Rage Pro graphics acceleration. About time. I find it funny that the iBook was the first series of Macs all to ship with MacOS X as the default operating system and a year later it's not even supported by that very operating system fully (Quartz Extreme will only work on Radeons and Geforce cards). It looks like Apple has rethought this...since afterall 10.1.5 now has hardware acceleration for Rage Pro. 10.1.5 also squashed all the major bugs I hated is X...it now has a faster iDisk, better quicktime playback (QT6 and graphics acceleration), faster sherlock, and Carbon applications can take advantage of Quartz text smoothing. I can't wait for RealBasic to support text smoothing. Keep up the good work Apple and I can't wait for Jaguar.<hr /></blockquote>Hmm... I'm on an iBook 500 and I haven't noticed much of a speed increase at all. Some things are faster (contextual menus in the dock), but I believe the Rage 128 Mobility that's in all iBook 500s was hardware accelerated under OS X from day one. Is that true? (windows don't scale near OS 9 speed in mine - not too shabby, mind you, but nowhere near OS 9...

I wish everyone who regularly uses OS X could just get put in a room for a day and compare the speeds that everyone's getting as far as UI goes, so that this whole relative "snappiness" issue could be resolved once and for all!

OSX Abuser · Jun 5, 2002, 11:16 AM

I will say this about the update.........
Has not broken anything on my Dual800

<img src="http://www.****edcompany.com/images/dancing_banana.gif" alt=" - " />
<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/virtualpagan/.cv/virtualpagan/Sites/.Public/final%2D1.gif-thumb_194_194.gif" alt=" - " />

[ 06-05-2002, 11:30 AM: Message edited by: OSX Abuser ]

Spirit_VW · Jun 5, 2002, 11:27 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by asxless:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by seb2:
sorry if that's been posted before, but i can finally (!) reduce the processor speed even on my ti 400. hooray!<hr /></blockquote>Thanks, I hadn't noticed that nice little feature update for older TiBooks. It's a step in the right direction for PowerBooks and iBooks, which should let my TiBook 500 run a little cooler this summer. Now for separate settings while on battery and power adapter

asxles in iLand<hr /></blockquote>Hmm....odd. I don't seem to have the processor speed option on my iBook SE 366 Pre-Firewire.

JLL · Jun 5, 2002, 11:28 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by gumby5647:
once again, i ask....

"Rage Pro support"

does this include the Rage II series?<hr /></blockquote>Well since a Rage II is not a Rage Pro, I would say no.

barbarian · Jun 5, 2002, 11:40 AM

one little problem with 10.15- I get a k panic every time I reboot (during shutdown).

Any ideas on how to troubleshoot?

[ 06-05-2002, 11:41 AM: Message edited by: barbarian ]

chris v · Jun 5, 2002, 11:47 AM

Cube 450, Sawtooth 450 and Dual GZ all updated fine.

Window resizing is definitely a little faster, as is iDisk access. Seems to reboot a hair faster, at least from the OS X splash screen. Checking Disks... just flies by now.

1 lingering bug that STILL hasn't been fixed-- in the Classic prefs pane, if you've got more than four partitions, you still don't get a scroll bar. Minor, and irritating problem that should have been fixed in 10.1.1

CV

hotani · Jun 5, 2002, 11:50 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by tetzel1517:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Worst. Episode. Ever.:
Well, there goes 46 days of uptime on my iBook. :sigh:<hr /></blockquote>You don't need to lose your uptime when you update. Instead of restarting when it asks you to, open Terminal and type "sudo shutdown now" (without quotes, obviously). You'll get a black screen with some white text on it. Type "exit" and after a few moments, OS X will boot again, with no loss of uptime.<hr /></blockquote>I have tried this a couple of times with mixed results: Twice out of about 5 tries it has resulted in a kernal panic. Not really worth it.

normyzo · Jun 5, 2002, 11:54 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by barbarian:
one little problem with 10.15- I get a k panic every time I reboot (during shutdown).

Any ideas on how to troubleshoot?<hr /></blockquote>Well, what does the panic say for starters? What is listed under:
"Kernel loadable modules in backtrace" if anything? That might give you a clue to what's causing it.

xyber233 · Jun 5, 2002, 11:54 AM

So does the RagePro support make a big difference besides quicktime movies?

Diggory Laycock · Jun 5, 2002, 12:02 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by barbarian:
one little problem with 10.15- I get a k panic every time I reboot (during shutdown).

Any ideas on how to troubleshoot?<hr /></blockquote>Me too - I think it's Norton AntiVirus.
Can't fully reproduce every time (but the KP says the offending kExt belongs to Symantec)

bOOzo · Jun 5, 2002, 12:03 PM

Rage Pro support does not include support for OpenGL, no? Because that's what keeping my brother from using OS X on his iMac rev d..

I've installed it on my G4 733 with no problems and iDisk seems faster, but I'm only on 56k modem so... Anyway, is there a simple way to get the update to the iMac without downloading it again??

normyzo · Jun 5, 2002, 12:07 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by bOOzo:
Rage Pro support does not include support for OpenGL, no? Because that's what keeping my brother from using OS X on his iMac rev d..

I've installed it on my G4 733 with no problems and iDisk seems faster, but I'm only on 56k modem so... Anyway, is there a simple way to get the update to the iMac without downloading it again??<hr /></blockquote>The update information says Rage Pro 2D acceleration, so no OpenGL. I wouldn't count on it ever actually.

macaddled · Jun 5, 2002, 12:52 PM

Here, repeated KPs on startup on my TiBook 400, until I noticed it was always at the "Loading DoubleCommand" msg. Dropped into 9, deleted that, presto chango, everything boots up fine.

Proudest Monkey · Jun 5, 2002, 01:30 PM

keep in mind - new to unix, running OS X for almost a month full time without classic. whats a kernal panic people? i really have no idea, but i am quite excited to download 10.1.5 and see how it affects my machine, anyone tried it on a imac 600 yet?

atomium · Jun 5, 2002, 01:56 PM

Nevermind...

-atomium

[ 06-05-2002, 03:12 PM: Message edited by: atomium ]

theoden · Jun 5, 2002, 02:33 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by xyber233:
So does the RagePro support make a big difference besides quicktime movies?<hr /></blockquote>Hell yeah

My rev. B iMac flies on drawing windows, resizing, genies and the like... well, as compared to 10.1.4 anyway

blakespot · Jun 5, 2002, 03:24 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by gumby5647:
once again, i ask....

"Rage Pro support"

does this include the Rage II series?<hr /></blockquote>No. What you want is "Rage II support." You see??

Baby steps, gumby5647.

blakespot

[ 06-05-2002, 03:27 PM: Message edited by: blakespot ]

sjdownes · Jun 5, 2002, 05:12 PM

DoubleCommand has been updated for 10.1.5.

<a href="http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=12295&db=mac" target="_blank">VersionTracker Page For DoubleCommand</a>

mrtew · Jun 5, 2002, 09:06 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by sjdownes:
DoubleCommand has been updated for 10.1.5.

<a href="http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=12295&db=mac" target="_blank">VersionTracker Page For DoubleCommand</a><hr /></blockquote>That's what I wanted to hear, and I tried it but I can't make it work for the life of me! I tried that config thing in the readme and nothing happens. The enter key will not be convinced that it's a ctrl key. The old version always worked fine. At least the panics have stopped!!!

...edit... Oh wait, now I see... to make the Enter key a crtl key you have to change it to a 2... the 1 makes it an Apple key... why must people call the Apple key a command key... I get so confused by that! Me stupid!

[ 06-06-2002, 10:21 PM: Message edited by: John Tewksbury ]

eno · Jun 5, 2002, 11:06 PM

Really enjoying 10.1.5 so far on my Pismo 500 but have just seen a weird bug...

Because I own a laptop I am often unplugging FireWire and USB devices. Multiple times each day I have to move my machine from my desk and when I do this entails unplugging a mouse, some SoundSticks (USB) and a FireWire HD.

Well, today I yanked out the cables like I always do and I was instantly dropped back to a blue screen (all apps completely disappeared) and then the hard drive churned and started the login process again automatically. After 30 secs I was back in the Finder again with all my login items launched.

Anyone else seen this?

xenu · Jun 6, 2002, 03:30 AM

Installed, with little effect, except iDisk.

That is a lot faster, but still a lot slower than Goliath.
Had both going, and Goliath opened folders, while iDisk just sat there - iDisk needs feedback to the user.

But then, it's still not really useful to modem users.

Flat screen imac with 768 MB of RAM.

dfiler · Jun 6, 2002, 10:36 AM

Installed 10.1.5 last night on my DP 450. The install was as painless as could be... even over my modem (hangs head in shame).

Software Update automatically asked if I wanted to update.
I Clicked the install button, proveded my password and hit return.
I completely forgot about the update until I uncovered the install window and the there was a restart button. I clicked it and 2 minutes later I was back up and running with the new OS.

Kudos Apple!