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Tiffany Mac · Apr 30, 2003, 06:50 PM

First, let me just say that many of you are so quick to dismiss other people's idea's and suggestions. This was one of mine. Looks like SOME of you failed to have the insight and dreams that i had.

"I've been downloading music for the past two days. I've used Limewire (which slows down my system) and i've tried some other programs.

I hear that Apple is having a show in a week. Wouldn't it be cool if Apple had a built in DOWNLOAD MP3 function? I think iTunes is great, and that would be a really cool feature.

Do you think Apple could or would do this?"

Apple Pro Underwear
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sorry, but major corporations are not going to want to help with the "pirating" of music

try using direct connect to download.

http://www.neo-modus.com/

BuonRotto
Elite Member

I doubt it just because it would put Apple in legal hell. Right now they fall clearly on the line of fair use, but not sharing/pirating.

Considering their plans to introduce Rendezvous-enabled iTunes where people can essentially "stream" each others' playlists with one another, I think Apple has a path around the pirating aspect of music sharing to some extent. If anything, they might push Quicktime Streaming Server/Broadcaster more into consumer space either as a plug-in/add-on or as a separate iApp for this kind of more remote functionality too.

TheIceMan
Elite Member

I agree. These P2P setups are getting sued by the major recording labels. I do not think Apple would want to entangle themselves in this sort of mess.

resImadA
Member

What if we could browse, sample, and buy/download individual tracks from within iTunes?

I'd go for that if the price was right

Millennium
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Highly unlikely. The RIAA would go berserk.

However, something perhaps a bit less far-fetched: built-in streaming to the local network. This seems like a likely use for the much-discussed Rendezvous support that Apple is building into iTunes. The idea would be to let you keep all your MP3's on a single machine, and seamlessly stream them out to the whole network. That seems very likely, for the release after next if not the one coming up.

diamondsw
Veteran Member

Learn to use question marks in your subject. As it is, I think you're deliberately misleading people to read your rather "ill thought out" question. make no mistake - there ARE stupid questions.

ryju
Veteran Member

Remember the iPod commercial? It said at the bottom "Don't Steal Music."
I don't think they would contradict themselves.

MacGorilla
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Whamb 1.1 lets you share playlists via Rendezous now. Works really well.

CheesePuff
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When you buy a iPod there is a sticker you have to peel off the screen that says "Don't Steal Music" in many languages.

libraryguy
Senior Member

quote:
Originally posted by resImadA:
What if we could browse, sample, and buy/download individual tracks from within iTunes?

I'd go for that if the price was right

If they do allow music downloads via iTunes I think this is how they will do it. It's the only legal way really and plus it would be added revenue for Apple and the music industry. Hopefully if they do they will have a huge selection and fair prices. Honestly, I doubt it will happen at all.

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Jansar
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As the Apple Santa said, Apple's gonna "get their ass handed to them" if that ever happens.

Subzero Diesel949
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quote:
Originally posted by Millennium:
Highly unlikely. The RIAA would go berserk.

However, something perhaps a bit less far-fetched: built-in streaming to the local network. This seems like a likely use for the much-discussed Rendezvous support that Apple is building into iTunes. The idea would be to let you keep all your MP3's on a single machine, and seamlessly stream them out to the whole network. That seems very likely, for the release after next if not the one coming up.

Doubt it. The RIAA wants $$$ for any "air time" for the same reason they're after I-net radio.

Person Man
Veteran Member

quote:
make no mistake

That said, I think Apple has to release new, extreme versions of their iApps, or face an untimely death. While they develop their new hardware in an undisclosed, secret location, they must realize that now, more than ever, we need faster CPU chips.

Millennium
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quote:
Originally posted by Subzero Diesel949:
Doubt it. The RIAA wants $$$ for any "air time" for the same reason they're after I-net radio.

True, but the RIAA would make all music pay-per-view (pay-per-listen?) if they thought they could.

Unfortunately for them, fair use does limit the amount of racketeering they can do. While it's true that they can require businesses to license music for internal broadcasts, they can't do that for home users who keep the broadcast within their own homes (thus, Rendezvous; tying the capability to Rendezvous would ensure that it can't get out to the Internet at large). Given Apple's recent attempts at becoming more consumer-friendly, this does have a shot. Or at least, it has more of a shot than an "MP3 Download" feature.

Tiffany Mac
Member

Maybe Apple could work out a deal with a few major record companies. They supply the MP3's and we (the users) can pay for it. I don't mind paying a small fee.

This would be a great solution?

waffffffle
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Yea this isn't going to happen.

However I really think iTunes needs to be more aware of other mp3 sources because right now its a pain to get your newly downloaded songs into iTunes (from Limewire, etc). I think it woudl be nice if there was some sort of way iTunes could watch a folder and as soon as mp3s are added to that folder it will import them to the library and move the file to the proper location (organized). Right now that doesn't work too well.

Millennium
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quote:
Originally posted by waffffffle:
Yea this isn't going to happen.

However I really think iTunes needs to be more aware of other mp3 sources because right now its a pain to get your newly downloaded songs into iTunes (from Limewire, etc). I think it woudl be nice if there was some sort of way iTunes could watch a folder and as soon as mp3s are added to that folder it will import them to the library and move the file to the proper location (organized). Right now that doesn't work too well.

The thing is, currently the only legal way to get most MP3's is to rip them yourself (yes, it's legal to download them if the copyright holder has given permission for that, but that's still rather rare in this day and age). Apple's walking a pretty thin line with the RIAA at this point in time, and I don't think they would want to risk appearing to condone piracy. Never mind that this shouldn't even be possible (it being a presumption of guilt and all that) but who ever said the RIAA respected anyone's rights but their own?

C.J. Moof
Elite Member

An idea similar to this already in use is Audible.com. They don't do music, but spoken word, and the format isn't .mp3, but their own format. If you look at an audible file with a text editor, you'll see the user account name stamped in the beginning few lines. That's part of their content management system- the file is internally "personalized" and allowed to play on the account holder's iTunes and iPod only. It can be burned to an Audio CD, but not an MP3 disc- iTunes won't convert it to mp3 for you, and I've never seen another app that can either.

If Apple paired up with a record label who would agree to the same distrubition model, downloading from iTunes could be a reality. I can't see any major label agreeing to have their files downloadable without any digital rights management system.

On a side note, legally downloaded dozens of mp3 albums as a subscriber of emusic.com. Some of their encodings could sound better, but they're not unacceptable.

ENOUGH SAID! YOU hEARD IT HEAR FIRST

RevEvs · Apr 30, 2003, 06:54 PM

feeling smug eh?

revs

Hi I'm Ben · Apr 30, 2003, 06:55 PM

I'm baking up a fresh batch of cookies for you as we speak.

I'mDaMac · Apr 30, 2003, 06:59 PM

Who cares? Whaddya want a pat on the back.

Guy Incognito 2 · Apr 30, 2003, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by I'mDaMac:
Who cares? Whaddya want a pat on the back.

I'm giving her a pat on the back...

...and you a kick in the nuts.

ASIMO · Apr 30, 2003, 07:06 PM

Nope. Never gonna happen. Apple will be in legal hell.

Oh, and did I mention NEVER?

gorickey · Apr 30, 2003, 07:07 PM

I'm still laughing...LOL LOL...see, I'm laughing still.

Adam Betts · Apr 30, 2003, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by Tiffany Mac:
First, let me just say that many of you are so quick to dismiss other people's idea's and suggestions. This was one of mine.

What, you invented iTunes Music Store!?

.. For real?

MAY I HAVE YOUR AUTOGRAPH?!!!!?!???!!

Zimphire · Apr 30, 2003, 07:30 PM

I think said posters were talking about illegally downloading music. Not paying for it.

icruise · Apr 30, 2003, 07:47 PM

Exactly. You mention in the first sentence that you were using Limewire, and then you say "Hey wouldn't it be great if you could download music from within iTunes?" Call me crazy, but it sure sounds like you were talking about an illegal download thing, and that's what people were picking up on.

icruise · Apr 30, 2003, 07:48 PM

Oh, and ha ha ha ha ha.

cpac · Apr 30, 2003, 08:18 PM

wow.

bitter much?

and yes, it did sound like you meant something like adding a p2p downloading option, not a proprietary thing.

dampeoples · Apr 30, 2003, 08:23 PM

Make another prediction pretty please

chris v · Apr 30, 2003, 08:24 PM

Hah, looks like you're owed about ten apologies.

I predicted rack-mounted servers back in Jan. 2002, and quite a few people here called me nuts, so I know how it feels.

Pass me a cookie when you've had your fill, huh?

CV

TheIceMan · Apr 30, 2003, 08:33 PM

Like some of the others said. My response was about P2P file sharing. I do not believe this new 99 cents per song thing from Apple falls into that category. From reading the list many of us were chiming in on what we thought were the likes of LimeWire and such. Sorry to disappoint you.

BuonRotto · Apr 30, 2003, 08:45 PM

We're not quite speaking on the same wavelength. "downloading MP3's" is not the same as "buying MP3." I took your post to mean the former, nothing to do with purchasing stuff. Having said that, they still did surprise me, so you do get credit for predicting this in the way you meant.

Now don't get cocky.

Dale Sorel · Apr 30, 2003, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by Hi I'm Ben:
I'm baking up a fresh batch of cookies for you as we speak.

"I know, you don't believe in all this fate crap. You're in charge of your own destiny, remember?"

pliny · Apr 30, 2003, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by Tiffany Mac:
First, let me just say that many of you are so quick to dismiss other people's idea's and suggestions. This was one of mine. Looks like SOME of you failed to have the insight and dreams that i had.

but it wasn't you, it was

resImadA
Member

who said:

What if we could browse, sample, and buy/download individual tracks from within iTunes?

I'd go for that if the price was right

Stradlater · Apr 30, 2003, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by Guy Incognito 2:
I'm giving her a pat on the back...

...and you a kick in the nuts.

how old are you?

Stradlater · Apr 30, 2003, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
I'm still laughing...LOL LOL...see, I'm laughing still.

Guy Incognito 2 · Apr 30, 2003, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by Stradlater:
how old are you?

Fairly young.

Does this have to do with me being too young and thus to short to kick someone in the nuts? I assure you I can headbutt too.

What about you? How old are you?

goMac · Apr 30, 2003, 11:08 PM

Wouldn't it be cool if Apple updated the iMac? :waits:

mrtew · Apr 30, 2003, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by pliny:
but it wasn't you, it was

resImadA
Member

who said: What if we could browse, sample, and buy/download individual tracks from within iTunes? I'd go for that if the price was right

True true.... I think reslmadA is owed about a million bucks a year for that idea!

webintosh · Apr 30, 2003, 11:30 PM

Whatever, dude. Way back in July I had a hunch.

Not gloating, but I had a feeling the pieces were lining up.

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...hreadid=109242

Truepop · Apr 30, 2003, 11:46 PM

Oh yeah I have been planning it since I was a fetus.

fireside · Apr 30, 2003, 11:46 PM

SomeToast · May 1, 2003, 01:12 AM

Then here's one of mine from December, 2001 saying I wouldn't purchase music in a compressed format, going for the CD instead.

To date, that prediction's come true too.

cowerd · May 1, 2003, 01:42 AM

Does this have to do with me being too young and thus to short to kick someone in the nuts?

Actually I always had you figured as a biter.

I'mDaMac · May 1, 2003, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by Guy Incognito 2:
I'm giving her a pat on the back...

...and you a kick in the nuts.

Okay but then I'm gonna make your mom kiss the boo-boo.

Anomalous · May 1, 2003, 04:03 PM

People mocked the rumor sites too... and they were right too. (And they mock me for defending the rumor sites...)

SomeToast · May 1, 2003, 04:57 PM

I didn't mock the rumor sites when they had artist's renditions of the revised iPod button layout.

I just prayed that they had gotten it wrong.

brachiator · May 2, 2003, 01:16 AM

This whole thread topic reminds me of the old joke, "They told me that if I voted for Goldwater we'd end up sending half-a-million troops to Vietnam. Well, I voted for Goldwater, and they were right."

ShotgunEd · May 2, 2003, 03:44 AM

Well now the joke is on you. The entire channel knew that �99 songs were on the way and we were just humoring you. We were all laughing and smoking crack in a special non-newbie forum.

So nyeh!

dfiler · May 2, 2003, 08:28 AM

So did you invent music-piracy or did you invent buying-music-on-the-net?

I don't understand why anyone should be laughing. That thread seems like a fairly typical discussion of a couple obvious trends. Its not like everyone didn't already know about p2p programs, music players, and online music stores. What am I missing?

fisherKing · May 2, 2003, 09:23 AM

this is a great place for arguments & attacks (oh & useful information) but dont expect too many apologies...

in october 2001 i came home & found the new macwarehouse catalog, showing new powerbooks, that were due the next day.

when i posted the info here i was called a liar, etc etc.

when i posted a scan, i was accused of photoshopping, etc.

next morning, it was all real. maybe 25 people attacked me that night, next day 2 apologies.

not bitter, not in the least. just telling the story. mine makes me laugh.
now, back to business:

my prediction:apple takes over macnn & BANS speculation, arguments, complaints, and the words "what i'd like to see..."

peace!

mindwaves · May 2, 2003, 09:40 AM

Ok, since this really has nothing to do with iTunes itself, then off to the Lounge!

chris v · May 2, 2003, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by goMac:
Wouldn't it be cool if Apple updated the iMac? :waits:

It'll never happen. *diot.

Jk

CV

davesimondotcom · May 2, 2003, 10:08 AM

Who cares? I hear Apple is going out of business in the next six months or so anyways...

Agasthya · May 2, 2003, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by mrtew:
True true.... I think reslmadA is owed about a million bucks a year for that idea!

Aha! Now we know why Adium 2 has been so delayed! Adam has been working on the iTunes Music store instead of Adium...Damn you Adam! Damn you!

euchomai · May 2, 2003, 11:20 AM

Good call!

wdlove · May 2, 2003, 11:27 AM

Are the cookies done yet? That kind of cookies are we having?

sambeau · May 2, 2003, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by wdlove:
Are the cookies done yet? That kind of cookies are we having?

Whichever ones are nice to eat after humble pie..

sambeau · May 2, 2003, 12:16 PM

While I'm at. Any stock tips?