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angelmb · Jan 14, 2009, 04:21 PM

So France got a new face, here is it…

and here is a previous version of it, which didn't gain the approval…

Anyhow, I have an issue with it, the red squirting from Marianne's neck yells guillotine to me.

Laminar · Jan 14, 2009, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by angelmb

and here is a previous version of it, which didn't gain the approval…

Because it was too small?

Dakar V · Jan 14, 2009, 04:40 PM

...I'm not sure I understand what the point of this is.

Shaddim · Jan 14, 2009, 04:45 PM

I guess it's true, one is almost always larger than the other.

BlueSky · Jan 14, 2009, 04:47 PM

One has boobies, one doesn't.

nonhuman · Jan 14, 2009, 04:47 PM

They could have done way better with that slogan. Something like 'France: Ménage à trois en France'.

Doofy · Jan 14, 2009, 04:48 PM

France without boobies is uddtterly pointless.

Andrew Stephens · Jan 14, 2009, 04:48 PM

The original is quite good. The second is merely rancid.

Spheric Harlot · Jan 14, 2009, 05:01 PM

I love how bureaucrats so often recognize something that's really really good and then proceed to remove everything that made it great in the first place.

The logo with the writing loses its entire point if the writing doesn't emerge as part of the drawing. Might as well leave the writing off, then - now, it's just clutter.

Shaddim · Jan 14, 2009, 05:16 PM

France thinks boobies are evil!

angelmb · Jan 14, 2009, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar V

...I'm not sure I understand what the point of this is.

Well, it got rejected cause the R in 'france' outlines Marianne's right arm and… breast. Does it make sense now?

Laminar · Jan 14, 2009, 06:04 PM

I assumed the 'a' formed her other tot and the 'n' was her armpit.

Spheric Harlot · Jan 14, 2009, 06:31 PM

Exactly. Leaving the "ce" to trail along with the blue squiggle to form a French flag culminating in the star.

Excellently balanced, organic, original.

Now, none of that works. It's just completely pointless.

villalobos · Jan 14, 2009, 06:32 PM

Actually I don't think France has an issue with boobies, but since this a a tourism logo, they were afraid that the good people of the USA and other prudish countries had an issue with it...

Spheric Harlot · Jan 14, 2009, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by villalobos

Actually I don't think France has an issue with boobies, but since this a a tourism logo, they were afraid that the good people of the USA and other prudish countries had an issue with it...

But...but...Americans can't afford to travel to Europe anyway!

SpaceMonkey · Jan 14, 2009, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by villalobos

Actually I don't think France has an issue with boobies, but since this a a tourism logo, they were afraid that the good people of the USA and other prudish countries had an issue with it...

"France: We're not as promiscuous as you think."

Dakar V · Jan 14, 2009, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by angelmb

Well, it got rejected cause the R in 'france' outlines Marianne's right arm and… breast. Does it make sense now?

No, I meant I France having a brand.

Shaddim · Jan 14, 2009, 06:57 PM

"France: We don't show our boobies to just anyone."

SpaceMonkey · Jan 14, 2009, 07:09 PM

Actually, now that I think about it, this would be a great logo for a box of tampons.

nonhuman · Jan 14, 2009, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar V

No, I meant I France having a brand.

All countries have a brand. People too.

Dakar V · Jan 14, 2009, 08:21 PM

What's the US's brand?

- - e r i k - - · Jan 14, 2009, 08:28 PM

Demonhood · Jan 14, 2009, 08:50 PM

it reminds me of Liberty Leading the People by Delacroix.

the one with breasts, that is.

Doofy · Jan 14, 2009, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by Demonhood

it reminds me of Liberty Leading the People by Delacroix.

No pulling the wool over your eyes, DH.

nonhuman · Jan 14, 2009, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar V

What's the US's brand?

http://www.discoveramerica.com/

- - e r i k - - · Jan 14, 2009, 09:29 PM

Were those two extra stars really necessary? I do appreciate that it looks like a highway though

Visnaut · Jan 14, 2009, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

I love how bureaucrats so often recognize something that's really really good and then proceed to remove everything that made it great in the first place.

The logo with the writing loses its entire point if the writing doesn't emerge as part of the drawing. Might as well leave the writing off, then - now, it's just clutter.

You guys are putting the cart before the horse here. Just because something is artistically possible doesn't make it good idea. The approved script is much more legible, since the letters aren't being contorted to fit a human form that doesn't even look very proportionate. Legibility is much more important in a logo, which is generally just glanced at.

Besides, if the rejected one was accurate, it'd have tufts of hair peeking out of the R and N.

Kerrigan · Jan 15, 2009, 12:19 AM

Why don't they try cleaning their trains up, sweeping the gypsies off the streets, getting rid of that rank smell in Gare du Nord and on the B line, and just generally organizing the country so that it doesn't take 3 hours to perform a basic task? In short, just let the Germans take them over again. That would do wonders for the country, much more than a new logo could ever accomplish.

voodoo · Jan 15, 2009, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by angelmb

So France got a new face, here is it…

and here is a previous version of it, which didn't gain the approval…

Anyhow, I have an issue with it, the red squirting from Marianne's neck yells guillotine to me.

Without the boobs they might as well redesign the whole thing!

mattyb · 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

Why don't they try cleaning their trains up, sweeping the gypsies off the streets, getting rid of that rank smell in Gare du Nord and on the B line, and just generally organizing the country so that it doesn't take 3 hours to perform a basic task? In short, just let the Germans take them over again. That would do wonders for the country, much more than a new logo could ever accomplish.

Just so that other people understand Kerrigan's remarks, there is of course only one train station in the whole of France, for the entire population of 60 million. As he so rightly said it is an armpit, much like Kings Cross in London is, but we wouldn't want to compare would we? There is also only one subway line, and that strangley enough is called the B line. There are no subways in Lyon or Toulouse for example - its a lie. That it only takes 2 hours to get from Paris to Lyon (of course Lyon doesn't have any train stations) is a lie, beacuse this would imply some efficiency in France. The fact that they can make aircraft that the US military would like to buy is also a lie, its obviously Chirac who is manipulating the world press. There is a plague of gypsies in France, so much so that we are forced to buy gas masks and always carry spare change in our pockets. The 'gypsies' (Tsigane) however mustn't be confused with residents that are coming from another European country - Romania, that stalwart, democracy respecting, uncorrupt country bordering the Black Sea with a Gross National Product of three potatoes.

There is nothing good in cheese-eating surrender monkey France. Why it ranks as the most visited tourist destination is still being studied, its probably a lie anyway.

villalobos · Jan 15, 2009, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Visnaut

Besides, if the rejected one was accurate, it'd have tufts of hair peeking out of the R and N.

You are confused with Germany there, boy.

red rocket · Jan 15, 2009, 09:25 AM

Is he? I’ve seen lots of Teutonic porn, and most of the frauleins didn’t have armpit hair, or pubes, for that matter.

Dakar V · Jan 15, 2009, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by nonhuman

http://www.discoveramerica.com/

Hehe, who knew. Seriously, where are these even displayed, as I've done some traveling and they obviously have made no impression on me.

Kerrigan · Jan 15, 2009, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by mattyb

As he so rightly said it is an armpit, much like Kings Cross in London is, but we wouldn't want to compare would we?

Comparing King's Cross St. Pancras to Gare du Nord is like comparing Gordon Ramsay to Burger King.

Shaddim · Jan 15, 2009, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by mattyb

There is nothing good in cheese-eating surrender monkey France. Why it ranks as the most visited tourist destination is still being studied, its probably a lie anyway.

It's most visited because all women feel obligated to drag their men to the Eiffel tower. So far, this has happened to me twice. Within a couple days, however, they're begging to leave. No amount of over-cooked horse meat will keep them in the city after they've seen vagrants taking a dump on the street. A vacation in France would be wonderful, if one could largely avoid most of Paris.

andi*pandi · Jan 15, 2009, 10:20 PM

subliminal anatomy aside, it looks very 80s, with the squiggles and whatnot. Very, "hey look I have this brush tool!"

I forget, are the 80s being "back" a good thing, or not?

Jawbone54 · Jan 16, 2009, 01:24 AM

I didn't even see them until I read a few posts down.

The American one is boring. The logo needed to be a little more prominent, with the text minimized a bit.

moonmonkey · Jan 17, 2009, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by mattyb

The fact that they can make aircraft that the US military would like to buy

lequel?

voodoo · Jan 18, 2009, 01:12 AM

Originally Posted by andi*pandi

subliminal anatomy aside, it looks very 80s, with the squiggles and whatnot. Very, "hey look I have this brush tool!"

I forget, are the 80s being "back" a good thing, or not?

The 80s being back is a very good thing. Tres bien, if you will.

Spheric Harlot · Jan 18, 2009, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by voodoo

The 80s being back is a very good thing. Tres bien, if you will.

Only for those not old enough to remember them.

*shudder*

voodoo · Jan 18, 2009, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

Only for those not old enough to remember them.

*shudder*

It's not a question of a age, but of maturity

Doofy · Jan 18, 2009, 02:11 PM

Wait. The 80s are back? That'd mean they went away. I hadn't noticed that at all.

Wiskedjak · Jan 18, 2009, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar V

Hehe, who knew. Seriously, where are these even displayed, as I've done some traveling and they obviously have made no impression on me.

Well, you probably aren't the target market ...

Spheric Harlot · Jan 18, 2009, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by voodoo

It's not a question of a age, but of maturity

That too - absolutely, absolutely.

*shudder*

mattyb · Jan 18, 2009, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by moonmonkey

lequel?

I'm referring to the deal that Airbus 'won' to supply new in-flight refueling aircraft. The contract has since been canceled.

ort888 · 10:20 PM

This was the original version of the logo.

Mithras · Jan 19, 2009, 10:06 AM

Is it a coincidence that the USA logo is not unlike the Barack Obama '08 logo?
I guess both are working with the elements of:
- the US flag
- ribbons of highway
- circles

ort888 · Jan 19, 2009, 11:18 AM

There is only so much you can do with the american flag. I used to have to make logos for politicians and it sucked. Every time was a fight to get them away from red and blue, because every single one wanted nothing but red and blue with stars and strips. Blech.

moonmonkey · Jan 19, 2009, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by mattyb

I'm referring to the deal that Airbus 'won' to supply new in-flight refueling aircraft. The contract has since been canceled.

I always thought Airbus was a European consortuum.
Not to compare, but British fighters have been used by the US military since the 80's.

angelmb · Jan 20, 2009, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by ort888

There is only so much you can do with the american flag. I used to have to make logos for politicians and it sucked. Every time was a fight to get them away from red and blue, because every single one wanted nothing but red and blue with stars and strips. Blech.

I guess that's what they stand for… or believe in. As red, black, and white is the king of all corporate color schemes, red blue and white has to be for politics, but even so maybe they are just too narrow minded or scary to take a different road cause after all, red, white, blue and whatnot is ubiquitous.

Here you can take a look to some Obama logo ideas weren't chosen, while the winner is stellar, the finalist #1 was a nice and different approach.

As for the winner, some sketches… signed by Sol Sender, Andy Keene and Amanda Gentry.