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mcsjgs · 02:12 PM

From AppleInsider:

http://www.appleinsider.com/news/

Mac OS X 10.3.1 Build 7C103 Surfaces

Nov-06-2003
10:00 AM EST

Builds of the highly anticipated Mac OS X 10.3.1 Update have begun to surface over the last 24 hours. The most recently know build (7C103) weighs in at just under half a megabytes and appears as a package upgrader.

According to sources, the build patches 'webdav' resources in the 'sbin' and 'System' directories, as well as significantly modifying the 'IOStorageFamily.kext' extension. The build also updates Panther's login window application and brings the Mac OS X Terminal application up to version 1.4.1.

There is also a screen shot of the software update panel with the 10.3.1 clearly visible

Is there some reason the previous post about this was locked up?

Sophus · Nov 6, 2003, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by mcsjgs:
From AppleInsider:

http://www.appleinsider.com/news/

Mac OS X 10.3.1 Build 7C103 Surfaces

Nov-06-2003
10:00 AM EST

Builds of the highly anticipated Mac OS X 10.3.1 Update have begun to surface over the last 24 hours. The most recently know build (7C103) weighs in at just under half a megabytes and appears as a package upgrader.

According to sources, the build patches 'webdav' resources in the 'sbin' and 'System' directories, as well as significantly modifying the 'IOStorageFamily.kext' extension. The build also updates Panther's login window application and brings the Mac OS X Terminal application up to version 1.4.1.

There is also a screen shot of the software update panel with the 10.3.1 clearly visible

Is there some reason the previous post about this was locked up?

Terminal in 10.3 is already 1.4.1. Possibly due to the security update.

Art Vandelay · Nov 6, 2003, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by Sophus:
Terminal in 10.3 is already 1.4.1. Possibly due to the security update.

Yep, the security update updated Terminal.

Landos Mustache · Nov 6, 2003, 04:14 PM

OMG OMG OMG! This is just THRILLING news!

gorickey · Nov 6, 2003, 04:19 PM

Sounds like a pretty boring update....

clarkgoble · Nov 6, 2003, 04:40 PM

Dang. I was hoping they'd fix the selection color problem in the Finder and add context menus to the sidepane. Surely it isn't that hard to do. Quick everyone go to Apple feedback and request this!

Grrr · Nov 6, 2003, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by Landos Mustache:
OMG OMG OMG! This is just THRILLING news!

Must admit though, I didnt see the point of the first 10.3.1 post being locked either.

Just out of curiosity though.. Why the complete build number change? I'd have expected it to be 7B90 or something like that..

Twilly Spree · Nov 6, 2003, 05:23 PM

0.5 MB? doesn't seem very much.

sanity assassin · Nov 6, 2003, 05:43 PM

I installed it last night, didn't really notice any changes, except that Sys. Prfs. seemed to be faster when animating to new windows. That's about it.

BurpetheadX · Nov 6, 2003, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by Twilly Spree:
0.5 MB? doesn't seem very much.

Yea, theres no way that this could be half a meg. Theres so much more Apple has to update and fix besides these few things. It should be around 20 or more megs, man.

RooneyX · Nov 6, 2003, 10:20 PM

Is it snappy?

(There, first ever to say it post 10.3).

gorickey · Nov 6, 2003, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by RooneyX:
Is it snappy?

(There, first ever to say it post 10.3).

snappy�

Terri · Nov 6, 2003, 11:08 PM

It's so snappy that the menus pop down before you even go to them.

Moonray · Nov 6, 2003, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by BurpetheadX:
Yea, theres no way that this could be half a meg. Theres so much more Apple has to update and fix besides these few things. It should be around 20 or more megs, man.

They didn't add the debug code yet.

-

Catfish_Man · Nov 6, 2003, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by Grrr:

Must admit though, I didnt see the point of the first 10.3.1 post being locked either.

Just out of curiosity though.. Why the complete build number change? I'd have expected it to be 7B90 or something like that..

Most likely they were working on it in parallel with 10.3.0 on a different fork. I'm pretty sure the letter refers to the fork.

sanity assassin · Nov 7, 2003, 05:50 AM

Not sure if anyoe has tried this, but Cocktail 3.1 has a new setting for the speed of those animating menu sheet thingys in cocoa windows and also for those animating prefs. windows. Seems like Panther defaults to a slightly slower speed than what is posssible, I put it to the fastest, and made a huge difference.

hudson1 · Nov 7, 2003, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by mcsjgs:
significantly modifying the 'IOStorageFamily.kext' extension

Maybe this update is focussing on rapid triage for the Firewire problems.

JLL · Nov 7, 2003, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by hudson1:
Maybe this update is focussing on rapid triage for the Firewire problems.

That was a firmware issue - not a driver issue.

-Q- · Nov 7, 2003, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by JLL:
That was a firmware issue - not a driver issue.

Then why did the drives work fine in Jag?

larkost · Nov 7, 2003, 10:12 AM

The firmware versions were out of spec, but worked fine when used a certain way, that is to say that 10.2 did not expose this problem. MacOS X 10.3 uses the drives slightly different (but still inside spec) exposing the flaw. This is fairly common, and something that I have to troubleshoot many times on all paltforms (WinNT was especially bad with this and some IDE drives and motherboard chipsets...)

mcsjgs · Nov 7, 2003, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by sanity assassin:
Not sure if anyoe has tried this, but Cocktail 3.1 has a new setting for the speed of those animating menu sheet thingys in cocoa windows and also for those animating prefs. windows. Seems like Panther defaults to a slightly slower speed than what is posssible, I put it to the fastest, and made a huge difference.

I think I see what you are referring to (Interface>Finder), but to be sure, could you specify what settings you modified?

sanity assassin · Nov 7, 2003, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by mcsjgs:
I think I see what you are referring to (Interface>Finder), but to be sure, could you specify what settings you modified?

Ah right, forgot to mention what it was.

Go to Interface ->Applications, then move the slider under 'Set Window Resize speed' to Fast.

It makes some difference when using something like the Prefs. in Mail, or the Save As dialog in Safari.

diamondsw · Nov 7, 2003, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by larkost:
The firmware versions were out of spec, but worked fine when used a certain way, that is to say that 10.2 did not expose this problem. MacOS X 10.3 uses the drives slightly different (but still inside spec) exposing the flaw. This is fairly common, and something that I have to troubleshoot many times on all paltforms (WinNT was especially bad with this and some IDE drives and motherboard chipsets...)

Except that this problem has cropped up on many other devices (see reports at MacFixIt and MacinTouch, to name a couple sites). It would not hurt Apple to fix their end of the issue (see below) rather than trying to get every user to update every drive and camera in existance.

From an excellent post on MacFixit from a La Cie representative:

"Whenever a drive is used by a computer, it communicates its current state (reading, writing, sleeping, etc.) to the computer, and the computer likewise communicates with the drive (telling it to read or write data, spin down, eject, etc.). Evidently, when this bug strikes, it is caused by the communication timing between the drive and the computer, particularly when the operating system tells the drive to "eject." The drive executes its unmount/eject procedure, but the OS may not be "listening" when the drive reports its status. The result is a miscommunication that results in incorrect data being written to the drive.

In terms of what is happening to the drive itself, it appears as though the blocks at the beginning of the drive are being overwritten by a string of zeros. This can have a number of effects. First, if your drive is fairly new and/or larger, the volume directory will often be contained in a contiguous span of blocks at the beginning of the drive, and most files will be stored contiguously elsewhere. In this scenario, the overwriting of zeros at the beginning of the drive means the directory will be lost, but your data may be untouched. This is why many users are having success using Prosoft's Data Rescue X to recover their data, as covered in yesterday's report. On the other hand, when a drive is smaller and well used, files, folders, and directory information are fragmented across the drive. In these situations, only part of the drive directory will be damaged, but you may find that portions of your data are also unrecoverable. Finally, if you've ever partitioned your drive, the drive's partition map is also located at the beginning of the drive, so it will most likely be destroyed, meaning that the drive will no longer appear to be partitioned. However, there is an upside to this situation: since both the data and the volume directories for partitions besides for the first one are stored away from the beginning of the drive, they should remain intact, so utilities like Data Rescue may actually be more successful in recovering data off of those partitions than if the drive consisted of a single partition."

mcsjgs · Nov 7, 2003, 06:47 PM

"Go to Interface ->Applications, then move the slider under 'Set Window Resize speed' to Fast."

Odd, I do not have any sliders there. Only two enable debug check boxes. Running Cocktail 3.1

sanity assassin · Nov 7, 2003, 07:08 PM

Originally posted by mcsjgs:
"Go to Interface ->Applications, then move the slider under 'Set Window Resize speed' to Fast."

Odd, I do not have any sliders there. Only two enable debug check boxes. Running Cocktail 3.1

Hmm, that is weird. I've got it in mine. Have you tried re-installing it?

mcsjgs · Nov 7, 2003, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by sanity assassin:
Hmm, that is weird. I've got it in mine. Have you tried re-installing it?

I went back and deleted everything about Cocktail from applications (no uninstall available). Then re-downloaded 3.1 and installed. Got the slider.

Somehow, Cocktail got confused from the two or three upgrades I had previously run and had not fully installed 3.1 the first time. Thanks for pointing this out. The get info said 3.1 and about said 3.1. But it obviously wasn't

mcsjgs · Nov 8, 2003, 03:08 AM

Found this on the Apple Insider Forums about the new 10.3.1 update:

lsbom /Users//Desktop/MacOSXUpdate10.3.1.pkg/Contents/Archive.bom
. 41775 0/80
./Applications 40775 0/80
./Applications/Utilities 40775 0/80
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./Applications/Utilities/Terminal.app/Contents/Info.plist 100664 0/80 2323 3278445462
./Applications/Utilities/Terminal.app/Contents/MacOS 40775 0/80
./Applications/Utilities/Terminal.app/Contents/MacOS/Terminal 100775 0/80 349908898400203
./Applications/Utilities/Terminal.app/Contents/version.plist 100664 0/80 458 1700409321
./System 40755 0/0
./System/Library 40755 0/0
./System/Library/CoreServices 40755 0/0
./System/Library/CoreServices/SystemVersion.plist 100644 0/0 497 4133140559
./System/Library/CoreServices/loginwindow.app 40755 0/0
./System/Library/CoreServices/loginwindow.app/Contents 40755 0/0
./System/Library/CoreServices/loginwindow.app/Contents/Info.plist 100644 0/0 1345 2937369715
./System/Library/CoreServices/loginwindow.app/Contents/version.plist 100644 0/0 464 2941128948
./System/Library/CoreServices/loginwindow.app/loginwindow 100755 0/0 137481083748682
./System/Library/CoreServices/webdavfs.bundle 40755 0/0
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./System/Library/CoreServices/webdavfs.bundle/Contents/Resources 40755 0/0
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./System/Library/Extensions 40755 0/0
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./System/Library/Extensions/IOStorageFamily.kext/Contents/Info.plist 100644 0/0 8269 649720280
./System/Library/Extensions/IOStorageFamily.kext/Contents/MacOS 40755 0/0
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observatoer · Nov 8, 2003, 04:45 AM

The updates cure my problems with black screens after sleep on my dual. The screen is now initialized properly and wakes up instead of staying black.

It may also lower some of the fan rev, but thats just my "feeling".

Jm50ct

CJFlynn · Nov 8, 2003, 06:46 AM

Jm50ct says:
=========
It may also lower some of the fan rev, but thats just my "feeling".
=========
Summary:

fan less snappy�

cjflynn

bradoesch · Nov 8, 2003, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by gorickey:
snappy�

You must mean Snappy�.

nate_02 · Nov 8, 2003, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by -Q-:
Then why did the drives work fine in Jag?

did panther update the firmware??

mcsjgs · Nov 8, 2003, 12:38 PM

From:

http://www.macosrumors.com/

Friday, November 7 7:52 PM

Mac OS X 10.3.1 (Build 7C103): Although currently less than 500K in size and only patching a handful of Storage I/O, Loginwindow, and other system functions, 10.3.1 is expected to eliminate problems with data corruption on Firewire 800 storage devices, fix a handful of user-level crash bugs, and may modestly improve startup performance and Fast User Switching.

However, the final release of 10.3.1, expected in 1-2 weeks, will be around 7C120 and should be closer to 2MB in size, including a number of other code changes written by Apple's Panther team during the 7C series but not yet integrated into the main branch of the update. Java is expected to work properly in some situations where users have updated from Jaguar and certain applications fail to properly access Java 1.4.1; performance on some older G3 systems which were updated from Jaguar may also improve. More on 10.3.1 as testing continues.

Phil Quinney · Nov 8, 2003, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by CJFlynn:
Jm50ct says:
=========
It may also lower some of the fan rev, but thats just my "feeling".
=========
Summary:

fan less snappy�

cjflynn

I don't post that much - but I just have to applaud you on that one!

Phil.

k3vmo · Nov 8, 2003, 05:07 PM

I'd really hope they'd just wait on this until they can include more fixes. I don't see any legitimate reason to rush this update out the door if it doesn't fix any of the major issues.

Earth Mk. II · Nov 8, 2003, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by k3vmo:
I'd really hope they'd just wait on this until they can include more fixes. I don't see any legitimate reason to rush this update out the door if it doesn't fix any of the major issues.

I'd say the FW800 fix is a rather major issue. I don't own a FW800 drive, but if I did, I'd want that fix soon.

osxisfun · Nov 8, 2003, 06:01 PM

the fix for the FW is here? Download the new tools from versiontracker.

what scares me is that maccentral is saying there is a bug in fw 400 as well and there is no fix for that yet.

mcsjgs · Nov 8, 2003, 06:04 PM

From Macrumors.com

Macrumors Page 2

Apple has seeded Mac OS X 10.3.1 build 7C107 to Apple Developers for testing. The update includes the following changes:

Improvements in FileVault, Printing, WebDav and Firewire 800 Drives, and incorporates Security Updates

k3vmo · Nov 8, 2003, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by Earth Mk. II:
I'd say the FW800 fix is a rather major issue. I don't own a FW800 drive, but if I did, I'd want that fix soon.

Right BUT:

What about the FileVault issue.. or the FW 400 drives? Plus the number of other quirks people have been reporting.

I'm not disagreeing that the FW issue was a large bug, I only wish they'd include more fixes in it so I'm not patching as much as my XP Network at the office.

ctishman · Nov 8, 2003, 07:21 PM

I do hope that they fix my *&%^@# Sawtooth/GeForce problem. I can't run anything that uses OpenGL (including Quartz Extreme). The only reason I can use my GeForce 4MX at all is because I'm using a quick-fix third party solution provided by OWC.

koffedrnkr · Nov 8, 2003, 11:04 PM

let me second that...apple, if you're listening. those of us using nvidia graphics cards with sawtooth G4's really need a proper fix. i shouldn't have to buy a brand new video card to get the advantages of quartz extreme...

apple says get updated nvidia drivers. nvidia says they don't have any drivers and we should be talking to apple.

really damn frustrating.

david r.

ctishman · Nov 9, 2003, 01:40 AM

I DID buy a brand new video card, and I still can't get full function under Panther. I hope that fix is in the pipe.

Targon · Nov 9, 2003, 04:57 AM

Anyone know if 10.3.1 will fix issues with SCSI?

Specifically, my SCSI device is no longer recognized in ANY software under 10.3, it aint even acknowledged in System Profiler.

The SCSI card is recognized by the system, the driver is loaded an appears to be functioning.

When i access my hardware SCSI sampler with Peak Bias the Console reports :

''SCSIAction: unimplemented"

System Profiler Extensions report the following :

IOSCSIParallelFamily:

Version: 1.3.0
Last Modified: 25/09/03 7:20 AM
Get Info String: 1.3.0, Copyright Apple Computer, Inc. 1998-2003
Location: /System/Library/Extensions/IOSCSIParallelFamily.kext
kext Version: 1.3.0
Loaded: No
Valid: Yes
Authentic: Yes
Dependencies: Satisfied

This extension obviously aint loaded as it should be.

big grumble

Sort it please Apple

reactor · Nov 9, 2003, 09:23 AM

SCSI has no issues here, on Panther.
I have a 10.000K LaCie Ultra2Wide. Runs Like Hell.
(Didn't even know there were any SCSI-related problems)

mcsjgs · Nov 9, 2003, 03:13 PM

No, I think Panther has a lot of SCSI issues. After about a week, it stopped recognizing my Apple-supplied SCSI card Adaptec 2930CU. Had to install older drivers from Adaptec to get it work again. There have also been many, many complaints by owners of the Adaptec 2906 card. In general, it looks as if Panther does a very poor job with older SCSI cards and/or devices.

abrody · Nov 9, 2003, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by koffedrnkr:
let me second that...apple, if you're listening. those of us using nvidia graphics cards with sawtooth G4's really need a proper fix. i shouldn't have to buy a brand new video card to get the advantages of quartz extreme...

apple says get updated nvidia drivers. nvidia says they don't have any drivers and we should be talking to apple.

really damn frustrating.

david r.

Apple does not listen to Macnn, Macfixit, Maccentral, Macobserver, or any other off Apple forums. In fact, it frequently does not listen to its own forums unless it can reproduce the results. It does listen to feedback given at:

Mac OS X Feedback and its Developer Bugreporter (free registration required).

aehaas · Nov 9, 2003, 04:44 PM

My 500 AGP with apple supplied 2906 and HD now is only recognized as a CD. If I select to hide hard drives, they still show but if I click on hide CD's then they are hidden. Interesting.

It never was supported by deep sleep and still does not sleep under 10.3. Add this to the list of stock Apple supplied cards that are no longer supported.

How can Apple legally get away with stating that the new system supports these older machines when clearly they are unsupported?

aehaas

JBracy · Nov 9, 2003, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by aehaas:
My 500 AGP with apple supplied 2906 and HD now is only recognized as a CD. If I select to hide hard drives, they still show but if I click on hide CD's then they are hidden. Interesting.

It never was supported by deep sleep and still does not sleep under 10.3. Add this to the list of stock Apple supplied cards that are no longer supported.

How can Apple legally get away with stating that the new system supports these older machines when clearly they are unsupported?

aehaas

Because Apple is not legally required to support third party cards unless they are integrated into the motherboard. Basically unless you have a supported system with built-in SCSI (hint - there aren't any) Then it is down to the Card manufacturer (ie Adaptec) to update their drivers. goto Adaptec Macintosh Downloads to see if there are newer drivers for your card. I know that Apple has not included the latest Adaptec drivers with 10.3, so this is most likely the issue.

mcsjgs · Nov 9, 2003, 06:20 PM

While what you say is true, I cannot help but feel that Apple has changed the I/O interaction with SCSI in some way so that older cards and devices no longer work properly. That they can fix. Please keep in mind that Apple used these Adaptec cards in many instances in their build to order units so some support should be forthcoming.

Tariq-1 · Nov 9, 2003, 11:07 PM

I just bought a 2906 SCSI card and installed it into my Dual MDD 1.25. The card works flawlessly in both Panther and Jaguar with my old Epson Expression 636 SCSI scanner... and no issues with sleep either. Adaptec states on their Mac OS X driver download page:

"Notes:
The version 1.1 driver is embedded in Mac OS X 10.2 and later, there is no need to download and install this driver if you are running Mac OS X 10.2 or later."

http://adaptec.com/worldwide/support...2906_X_v11.hqx

So, it seems like you should already have the most current driver within Panther for the 2906.

Tariq

Originally posted by aehaas:
My 500 AGP with apple supplied 2906 and HD now is only recognized as a CD. If I select to hide hard drives, they still show but if I click on hide CD's then they are hidden. Interesting.

It never was supported by deep sleep and still does not sleep under 10.3. Add this to the list of stock Apple supplied cards that are no longer supported.

How can Apple legally get away with stating that the new system supports these older machines when clearly they are unsupported?

aehaas

Eriamjh · Nov 9, 2003, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by sanity assassin:
Not sure if anyoe has tried this, but Cocktail 3.1 has a new setting for the speed of those animating menu sheet thingys in cocoa windows and also for those animating prefs. windows. Seems like Panther defaults to a slightly slower speed than what is posssible, I put it to the fastest, and made a huge difference.

Who cares abot 10.3.1?

I just installed Cocktail 3.1 and set the "window resize" to "fastest" and now Panther feels Snappy (little TM). Otherwise, it didn't feel any faster than Jaguar to me (DP800 1.25GB Ram).

I am always afraid to install system updates (especially Security Updates) ever since one totally trashed my Internet access (email, browser, etc.). Now I backup everything before every update and never rush to install something on a working system.

Does 10.3.1 actually fix anything?