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Socially Awkward Solo · Aug 19, 2002, 12:05 AM

The only dif is a read me file though. At least this is what Think secret is saying...

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/jaguar6C115a.html

itistoday · Aug 19, 2002, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
The only dif is a read me file though. At least this is what Think secret is saying...

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/jaguar6C115a.html

That shouldn't be any problem to anyone around here should it?????

TheMosco · Aug 19, 2002, 12:20 AM

I was going to post this also, hopefully this bring some order back to the forum.

Socially Awkward Solo · Aug 19, 2002, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by itistoday:

That shouldn't be any problem to anyone around here should it?????

I think some crumbum is still gonna come up with some nutty idea that only the "a" version has the debugging code removed and quartz extreame enabled.

gorickey · Aug 19, 2002, 12:20 AM

Excellent, now this whole talk can finally die on these boards....but there again, w/out this there would be nothing to talk about

mitchell_pgh · Aug 19, 2002, 12:56 AM

considering all of the10.2 "issues"... I sure hope we see a 10.2.1 our VERY soon...

So many of the features that I was counting on aren't there (or more to the point, aren't ready for prime time)... FTP, slugish/beta iChat, etc. etc. etc...

Oh well... what's new... same thing happened with the 10.1 release... everyone pumped it up, and it was OK-ish... then 10.1.1 came out and fixed many of the issues...

I'm half tempted to hold on to 10.1.5 for a few more weeks...

piracy · Aug 19, 2002, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by itistoday:

That shouldn't be any problem to anyone around here should it?????

Nope, no problem at all, since well before the "6C115a" stuff came up I already said Apple was changing documentation and CD formatting, and that the checksums of discs wouldn't end up matching.

As for 6C115a, it is also exactly as I had stated in one of the other threads: Apple may be informally calling it "a" internally just to keep things straight. Remember, Apple *does* actually append the lowercase letter to builds visibly, and has done so on a minimum of 3 occastions, most recently with 5T114e on Xserve.

The upshot though, is that the ADC 6C115 and retail 6C115, again, are exactly the same. If Apple wants to informally call it 6C115a or Little Purple Cow just to keep things straight, it makes no difference to me.

Also remember, what I've been insisting since July 31 is that the ADC 6C115 will be the same as what ships in retail boxes. That is indeed the case.

KaptainKaya · Aug 19, 2002, 09:22 AM

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
considering all of the10.2 "issues"... I sure hope we see a 10.2.1 our VERY soon...

So many of the features that I was counting on aren't there (or more to the point, aren't ready for prime time)... FTP, slugish/beta iChat, etc. etc. etc...

Oh well... what's new... same thing happened with the 10.1 release... everyone pumped it up, and it was OK-ish... then 10.1.1 came out and fixed many of the issues...

I'm half tempted to hold on to 10.1.5 for a few more weeks...

Spymac is indicating that 10.2.1 will be available the first week of September, fixing some of the bugs that you mentioned.

(s)macintosh · Aug 19, 2002, 09:32 AM

When's the last time you remember software being released "bug free?"

Guy Incognito · Aug 19, 2002, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by KaptainKaya:

Spymac is indicating that 10.2.1 will be available the first week of September, fixing some of the bugs that you mentioned.

It better be out soon...6C115 is the shipping version and it randomly hard locks my Mac without even displaying a kernel panic...very, very disturbing that Apple has decided to ship Jaguar with some glaring bugs (other than the hard locking of my Dual-800...there are quite a few other major bugs with this release.)

Guy Incognito · Aug 19, 2002, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by (s)macintosh:
When's the last time you remember software being released "bug free?"

We're not expecting bug free software...but we're expecting some of the major bugs to be worked out before the program is shipped. Of course 'major' is subjective and varies from people to people. Some of you may think my 'random hard lock' (on a clean install + clean hard drive + clean config) bug as being insignificant because it doesn't happen to you nor is it very widespread (apparently).

mitchell_pgh · Aug 19, 2002, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by (s)macintosh:
When's the last time you remember software being released "bug free?"

Buggy and unusable are two different things...

I go to bat for Apple all the time, but this is just one of those times I have to say "ugh, well, I sure hope the .1 version is better!"

Zimphire · Aug 19, 2002, 11:53 AM

"I installed Pre-Released software and it doesn't work on my machine 100% right!"

Kaner · Aug 19, 2002, 12:37 PM

I'm sick of this bug crap. If it only happens to you, then its not a bug, you facked it up some how. If it happens to many people, it might be a bug. jesus people, i've been using 6c106 for a month now and nothing has happend further than the clock freezing randomly. damn you people are idiots

Guy Incognito · Aug 19, 2002, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by Kaner:
I'm sick of this bug crap. If it only happens to you, then its not a bug, you facked it up some how. If it happens to many people, it might be a bug. jesus people, i've been using 6c106 for a month now and nothing has happend further than the clock freezing randomly. damn you people are idiots

I like your sarcasm. Jackass.

Adam Betts · 01:06 PM

Originally posted by Kaner:
I'm sick of this bug crap. If it only happens to you, then its not a bug, you facked it up some how. If it happens to many people, it might be a bug. jesus people, i've been using 6c106 for a month now and nothing has happend further than the clock freezing randomly. damn you people are idiots

You may be right but your attitude really sucks

CheesePuff · Aug 19, 2002, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by Kaner:
I'm sick of this bug crap. If it only happens to you, then its not a bug, you facked it up some how. If it happens to many people, it might be a bug. jesus people, i've been using 6c106 for a month now and nothing has happend further than the clock freezing randomly. damn you people are idiots

Uh-oh, I found a bug in Mac OS X 10.2.

I'M AN IDIOT!

Kaner · Aug 19, 2002, 01:37 PM

yep.

pahroza · Aug 19, 2002, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by Kaner:
I'm sick of this bug crap. If it only happens to you, then its not a bug, you facked it up some how. If it happens to many people, it might be a bug. jesus people, i've been using 6c106 for a month now and nothing has happend further than the clock freezing randomly. damn you people are idiots

Sorry, but you've got it wrong. Just because it happens only to a few people doesn't mean that it isn't a bug. Maybe QA wasn't testing in a certain environment, or forgot to enter or fully address a problem that only surfaced in some strange conditions. Sure, it's possible that something got messed up along the way and that it is the end user's fault. But it's also just as likely that it came from Apple. No software is fault-free, it's only a matter of time before those faults show their heads.

If one person is able to find a remote security exploit in code that nobody else was able to find, does that mean the software doesn't have any bugs?

Want an example ? Try mousing over the "instant vb code' buttons on IE 5.5sp2 with Microsoft Script Debugger installed on Windows 2000 while trying to reply to a post. You get an alert box "document.vbform.status is null or not an object". Woops, someone forgot to check for the existence of document.vbform.status before trying to modify it. It's a bug, but not everyone complains about it because unless you're in the environment I mentioned earlier, you won't see it. I have tried with IE 5.2 and OmniWeb from my Mac at home and have no problems.

Eug · Aug 19, 2002, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by pahroza:

Sorry, but you've got it wrong. Just because it happens only to a few people doesn't mean that it isn't a bug. Maybe QA wasn't testing in a certain environment, or forgot to enter or fully address a problem that only surfaced in some strange conditions. Sure, it's possible that something got messed up along the way and that it is the end user's fault. But it's also just as likely that it came from Apple. No software is fault-free, it's only a matter of time before those faults show their heads.

If one person is able to find a remote security exploit in code that nobody else was able to find, does that mean the software doesn't have any bugs?

Want an example ? Try mousing over the "instant vb code' buttons on IE 5.5sp2 with Microsoft Script Debugger installed on Windows 2000 while trying to reply to a post. You get an alert box "document.vbform.status is null or not an object". Woops, someone forgot to check for the existence of document.vbform.status before trying to modify it. It's a bug, but not everyone complains about it because unless you're in the environment I mentioned earlier, you won't see it. I have tried with IE 5.2 and OmniWeb from my Mac at home and have no problems.

Ah. So that's the problem. I have this problem on Windows XP Pro with IE 6.0 when surfing here. I will try to figure out how to deactivate it.

I get this error consistently on MacNN. I've noticed it elsewhere, but only rarely.

Is this a bug of Windows, the MacNN forums, or both?

Peabo · Aug 19, 2002, 03:04 PM

I remember installing a 'security' update or something after 10.1.1 or something and the build number was 5L16 or 5L15 I think. I did a reformat a few months later and installed the same update but I guess apple secretly updated the update...

So yeah, apple does append a lower case letter to the end of builds sometimes.

Zimphire · Aug 19, 2002, 03:41 PM

I wonder where all the naysayers are.

Probably eating crow pie.

billybob · Aug 19, 2002, 05:13 PM

Jesus people. Who gives a rats ass anyways. Where are the good topics?

Guy Incognito · Aug 19, 2002, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by billybob:
Jesus people. Who gives a rats ass anyways. Where are the good topics?

I agree...there's way too much nonsense and bullshit in these forums. So many useless threads about f��k all are being created every day and it's pissing me off.

If anyone's offended with my vulgar language, I don't care...'cuz I'm as offended by the ridiculous topics being created here.

Socially Awkward Solo · Aug 19, 2002, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by Guy Incognito:

I agree...there's way too much nonsense and bullshit in these forums. So many useless threads about f��k all are being created every day and it's pissing me off.

If anyone's offended with my vulgar language, I don't care...'cuz I'm as offended by the ridiculous topics being created here.

Funny how you keep reading and replying to all them though

Why don't you start some good topics of your own.

MrBS · Aug 19, 2002, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by KaptainKaya:

Spymac is indicating that 10.2.1 will be available the first week of September, fixing some of the bugs that you mentioned.

I just hope they get the open/save dialog boxes to work with keyboard.
~BS

Gankdawg · Aug 19, 2002, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by MrBS:

I just hope they get the open/save dialog boxes to work with keyboard.
~BS

You know what I want? Snappiness!!! I finally got my copy of 10.2 (6C115 acquired legally) and installed it. Why are drop down menus still slooow? And yes, I formatted my HD before intstalling (actually I chose to zero it out). When I click on 'Bookmarks', I expect it to drop down like OS 9 does. Is that too much to ask? Yeah, the Genie effect finally works properly but I never use it! I've learned to just use Command-H. That way your dock size never changes. Don't even get me started on iPhoto!!! Talk about slow and a crappy user experience. And, zoom rectangles gots to go!

I will say that Classic launches much faster (again, something I don't use much, if at all) and iTunes3 connects to radio stations almost instantly.

Whew! Deep breath!! Breathe, breathe..

/rant

Footy · Aug 19, 2002, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:

Funny how you keep reading and replying to all them though

Why don't you start some good topics of your own.

Yeah that is funny. I'll never understand why someone gets all crazy about a thread they don't like when the obvious fix it to just not read it. To simple I guess.

Just another useless post.