[Scandalous Ion Cannon]

Originally Posted by turtle777

I confess: I'm bored.

-t

My threads are like internet crack for you aren't they

[starman]

[budster101]

So, you and Severed Headly Lamore Skywalker are one and the same? Because, you said this was "your" thread.... tell maybe?

[Scandalous Ion Cannon]

Originally Posted by budster101

So, you and Severed Headly Lamore Skywalker are one and the same? Because, you said this was "your" thread.... tell maybe?

Geez professor, you figure that out all by yourself? Was it ever a secret?

Gimmie your home address and I'm mail you a cookie.

[RonnieoftheRose]

Boo hoo I'm Christian, leave me alone to convert the masses like the Islamists want to do too. :sob:

[Chris O'Brien]

Originally Posted by budster101

So, you and Severed Headly Lamore Skywalker are one and the same? Because, you said this was "your" thread.... tell maybe?

Never wondered why people refer to him as Star Wars Guy (or Fan, as Zimphire puts it)? He has eleventy billion™ Star Wars related nicks...*

Also, am I going insane or didn't gorgonzola lock this thread?

*I think Disgruntled Head Of C3P0 is my favourite.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by budster101

So, you and Severed Headly Lamore Skywalker are one and the same? Because, you said this was "your" thread.... tell maybe?

More than that…I suspect he's gay.

[Atomic Rooster]

A religious video game based on the "Crusades" would be gory and bloody.

I understand heads were flyin'.

[budster101]

Don't you gay people have video games?...

[olePigeon]

It's just a Christian game, guys.

Not like I was expecting the Spanish Inquisition... (there's your cue!)

[Scandalous Ion Cannon]

Originally Posted by budster101

Don't you gay people have video games?...

Yup, it is called Halo 2 and all the same crap straight people play. Well maybe except for that bikini vollyball one.

[RonnieoftheRose]

Originally Posted by olePigeon

It's just a Christian game, guys.

Not like I was expecting the Spanish Inquisition... (there's your cue!)

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

Someone needs a CareBear hug™

[suvsr4terrorists]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Come on Rob. You aren't a bad guy. Even someone as smart as you should know better.

Sure. And I'm smart enough to realize whenever anything is done all christian style, be it a video game or a website or a comic book or a movie, it's ****ing LAME AS ****. I find that funny. And the hardcore christians who take the bible word for word? Just as humorous.

I think you're smart, which is why it boggles my mind that you're christian.

[Scandalous Ion Cannon]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

Sure. And I'm smart enough to realize whenever anything is done all christian style, be it a video game or a website or a comic book or a movie, it's ****ing LAME AS ****. I find that funny. And the hardcore christians who take the bible word for word? Just as humorous.

I think you're smart, which is why it boggles my mind that you're christian.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

Sure. And I'm smart enough to realize whenever anything is done all christian style, be it a video game or a website or a comic book or a movie, it's ****ing LAME AS ****.

Oh, I wont argue with that. 99.99989% of the time you are right. I usually ignore that stuff.

I find that funny. And the hardcore christians who take the bible word for word? Just as humorous.

I think you're smart, which is why it boggles my mind that you're christian.

But rob you got to agree. There is a difference between not agreeing with someone about such a thing. And totally going apeshit over it because you don't agree.

The latter is a bit zealous. And just makes one look as if they are trying to convince themselves.

Someone who is secure, wouldn't do things like that.

For example, I think say Hinduism is kooky.

You wouldn't know that because I don't post a zillion topics about it.

Regardless of what you believe, when you act like certain posters in here, it tends to make them look like the kooks. Not the Christians.

[GranolaBoy]

Creativity is an act of carefree inspiration. When you are constantly regulating yourself and forcing a conclusion or result, creativity is stifled and contrived. That's why Christian artistic efforts feel so crappy. The inspiration needed to make the works great is suffocated with sanctimonious conformity to what they think they're SUPPOSED to be doing.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by GranolaBoy

Creativity is an act of carefree inspiration. When you are constantly regulating yourself and forcing a conclusion or result, creativity is stifled and contrived. That's why Christian artistic efforts feel so crappy. The inspiration needed to make the works great is suffocated with sanctimonious conformity to what they think they're SUPPOSED to be doing.

No, the problem is too many Christian "labels" try to mimic secular pop music. That is what they look for.

Being that most secular pop music sucks, it is of no surprise that they candied down version of that sucky music, sucks worse.

I've heard Christian bands that didn't suck. But they never had major support because they weren't mainstream.

[Salty]

Originally Posted by Kevin

No, the problem is too many Christian "labels" try to mimic secular pop music. That is what they look for.

Being that most secular pop music sucks, it is of no surprise that they candied down version of that sucky music, sucks worse.

I've heard Christian bands that didn't suck. But they never had major support because they weren't mainstream.

Christian music sucks if the band sucks. Actually Christian music is sometimes a lot more innovative than bands in the same genre. For example look at Switchfoot in rock, or Further Seems Forever in Emo. Or just about half the Christian third wave ska bands that were birthed out of the quick revival and death of Ska (the Supertones are just now breaking up, and the Insyderz are still together). There's also music that gets born from Christian bands that just wouldn't get picked up on the secular scene, for example All Star United... I swear I could picture Ian Esklin doing a rock show in a very bring pink boa.
We had a radio station in Winnipeg that used to play both Christian and secular stuff of the same genres, it's surprising most of the time if you listened to a Christian rock band and a secular one side by side you couldn't tell the difference. I actually once mistook an Alice Cooper song for a Christian one hahaha... (it sounded too good to be secular)

Most of the people who complain about Christian rock don't realize that the lyrical content is almost always better than secular rock, and they haven't heard anything released after the year 2000.

http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/M...temId=61571646
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/M...istId=15070125
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/M...yListId=568355
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/M...istId=25516223
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/M...istId=54864343
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/M...istId=18248940
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/M...listId=5351573

Listen to any of those and tell then consider the genre they are part of. If you honestly do not think they are at least on par if not potentially in the upper crust of that musical style, I would be genuinely surprised, and challenge you to find me something better.

[budster101]

Amy Grant is good... you dissing Amy Grant?

Put'em up... Put'em up... (Are t.he.y up?)
Then,
Put'em down, put'em down!

[Chuckit]

Switchfoot is innovative rock? I think they're a pretty good Christian band, but I'd hardly call anything I've heard by them "innovative."

And as for those songs' lyrics, I really don't think "We'll learn to make a plowshear from a gun" is upper-crust wordsmithing. Christian rock lyrics in general remind me very much of porn writing. They feel too perfunctory, not enough like an original thought. The average Christian rock song is about on the same level, depth-wise, as the average Hilary Duff song.

[budster101]

Give me poetry like:

"Smells like teen Spirit" - Nirvana
"D.N.R." - Testament
"Run to the Hills" - Iron Maiden
"The number of the Beast" - Iron Maiden
"Prisoner" - Iron Maiden
"Hallowed be thy Name" - Iron Maiden
"Children of the Damned" - Iron Maiden
"Scream'n for Vengence" - Judas Priest
"Highway to Hell" - AC/DC
"Back in Black" - AC/DC


...

Edit:

Forgot one of my all time favorites: "Where Eagle's Dare"... awesome.

[Kevin]

budster a lot of those bands you named muddy their waters to appear deep.

And the whole "AND THE DRAGOOOOOOOOON COMES DOWN FROM THE MOUNTAAAAAAIN" silliness.

[Salty]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Switchfoot is innovative rock? I think they're a pretty good Christian band, but I'd hardly call anything I've heard by them "innovative."

And as for those songs' lyrics, I really don't think "We'll learn to make a plowshear from a gun" is upper-crust wordsmithing. Christian rock lyrics in general remind me very much of porn writing. They feel too perfunctory, not enough like an original thought. The average Christian rock song is about on the same level, depth-wise, as the average Hilary Duff song.

Funny... in my English Literature class we learned that it was a good skill to know how to allude to another text. In this case the book of Isaiah

" He will judge between the nations
and will settle disputes for many peoples.
They will beat their swords into plowshares
and their spears into pruning hooks.
Nation will not take up sword against nation,
nor will they train for war anymore."

And as far as Switchfoot their most recent album is probably their third best. Check out Learning to Breathe or New Way To Be Human. Songs like Something More/Augustine's Confession, and Economy of Mercy are incredibly good songs.

And if you wanna hear a band with amazing lyrics check out Plankeye's Relocation album
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/M...dItemId=572848
The song Indivisible is incredibly good.

And I have yet to hear a band that sounds like Calibretto/Calibretto 13... though that make be a good thing...

[Scandalous Ion Cannon]

Who would have thought a thread about video games would turn into Christian music recommendations?

You people are obsessed with god

[Salty]

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/hdgal...bymacgone.html

Watch that music video. How is that some how not on the same level as say the most recent Black Eyed Peas song? Well aside from the fact that you don't get to hear that girl singing, "no no no no no no no no no no no no no... no no no no no... no no no..."

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Warung

...In other news, WHITE KNIGHT Games has just released the preview for it's newest game

"Hang the Jiggaboo"

[Salty]

Originally Posted by Scandalous Ion Cannon

Who would have thought a thread about video games would turn into Christian music recommendations?

You people are obsessed with god

Cause Public Speaking and Music are the most professional/good things that most people would recognize that Evangelical Christianity has recently given the world. Well OK... continuing to present the Gospel of Jesus Christ... I guess that's important. But come on there's only so many things that we're good at! Our Video Games and Movies still suck (Though I watched a Christian Thriller movie directed at teenagers and I have to say Christian movies have come a long way since the "Jesus is back! Now cower at the bright light shining on the heathen" revelation movies.)

[loki74]

Originally Posted by Kevin

No, the problem is too many Christian "labels" try to mimic secular pop music. That is what they look for.

Being that most secular pop music sucks, it is of no surprise that they candied down version of that sucky music, sucks worse.

I've heard Christian bands that didn't suck. But they never had major support because they weren't mainstream.

LOL yes a lot of Christian music does suck. And it is because they want to emulate that pop stuff. What they *think* is (or will be) popular.

Who says you can't have Christian death metal?

Re: Budster's list:
JP kicks ass, my favorite album of theirs is "Painkiller." It had a darker, more melodic sound than many of their other albums and what was popular at the time.

Back on topic...
See, their lyrics are not particularly Christian (especially see "Between the Hammer and the Anvil") but I am. Halo 2 is not partuclarly Christian. But I still am. None of that stuff really has any influence on my values. I think if they want to encourage kids to have better values, they should find ways to make kids more mature, and able to separate reality from the musical or VG world. And people do get influenced by this stuff without noticing it, so I actually make an active effort to ensure that I am not.

I do not think these Christian games will get anything other than laughter from those who play them. It's harsh I know, but its economics. The target market pretty much does not exist, and no matter how good their intentions, they can't really change that without fundamentally changing the game.

[Salty]

I honestly don't see why you can't have an RPG with Christian thought presented but still keep in magic and all that crap. Heck you COULD make a Chronicles of Narnia video game. I don't know why Christian video games have to suck so much.

By the way there is Christian death metal haha. Check out the bands on Solid State.

http://www.solidstaterecords.com/main.php

(Actually I dono what classifies a band as death metal, so perhaps but there is Christian metal I know that for sure... cause I've walked away going... "frick my ears!" As well Christian hardcore is actually kinda common. I remember we had a Christian hardcore band around her called Surfing Leprechauns of Doom. Actually a lot of the local Christian music around winnipeg is either going Emo, Screamo or Hardcore... sigh... where have all the ska bands gone?)

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Scandalous Ion Cannon

You people are obsessed with god

Finally, a teensy snippet of wisdom from you!

I am obsessed with God. I dwell on God everyday for hours. I read the Bible and pray daily. I think about all the things God has created for hours on end. I spend about 3 hours on Sunday worshipping Him with the Church.

You may find it weird, but I find it perfectly normal. What I find weird is your obsession with bashing christians. There are a lot of things I don't like, but I don't think twice about them. For example: I can't stand Howard Stern. I think this is the first time I have ever mentioned him on here. I'll bet it's probably the last time too.

Answer me this: What should someone be obsessed with? (this should be good)

And to get even slightly on topic: Most video games are childish. I would expect Christian video games to be the same way. And on top of that, I would expect any not-for-profit computer game to be badly designed. Wait, aren't you the guy who has "action figures" (read: dolls) hangin from your bedroom ceiling and all over your computer desk?

[Railroader]

Most christian music is based upon a worship/praise mentality. If you don't believe in God, then their christian music would be meaningless to you. It would be like me listening to Muslim worshipping music.

[Salty]

Originally Posted by Railroader

Most christian music is based upon a worship/praise mentality. If you don't believe in God, then their christian music would be meaningless to you. It would be like me listening to Muslim worshipping music.

Ahh see Christian music is so broad. Granted P&W music is. But what about artists like Audio Adrenaline, the OC Supertones, TobyMac, Bleach, Kids in the Way, or even MxPx. A lot of those bands have been or are classified as Christian music, but most of their songs aren't first about ascribing worth to God. A lot of Christian songs are just about life from a Christian perspective. That's actually one of the reasons I love Christian music. I get to hear about someone else's take on life that isn't simply go after sex drugs and money. Which apparently is all secular musicians seem to want. I much prefer songs like The Wedding's "Song for the Broken", Seven Place's "Watch", Spoken's "Promise", or even Ian Esklin's "Taboo" which for the record describes MacNN almost perfectly .
One of the biggest reasons I enjoy Christian music is because the hopes and ideas that I have about life are shared with the artists.

[GranolaBoy]

Originally Posted by Kevin

No, the problem is too many Christian "labels" try to mimic secular pop music. That is what they look for.

Being that most secular pop music sucks, it is of no surprise that they candied down version of that sucky music, sucks worse.

I've heard Christian bands that didn't suck. But they never had major support because they weren't mainstream.

I hear what yer sayin'. That's valid, but I'm not arguing that point. I'm not saying you never heard a good christian artist.

I'm saying that as a percentage, the group of good Christian artists (painters, writers, musicians) is relatively small because the overwrought message stifles the freedom to create.

Take, as an oversimplified example, the repeated image of Haysoos wearing robes with a beard, big forehead, and long hair. 90% o the time it's an anglo-lookin' guy who is prolly MUCH taller than he really would have been 2000 years ago. Hello?! Put the guy in a suit and clean him up. It's the 21st century for Pete's sake.

"But we wouldn't recognize who it's supposed to be!" See what I mean...that's called MARKETING not inspired art. They're two different concepts.

Likewise the whole "God is great" and "I'm a wretched sinner" crap is old. Stop peddling this contrived stuff. Dig deep and pull out the juicy, innovative approach.

[suvsr4terrorists]

Originally Posted by Kevin

But rob you got to agree. There is a difference between not agreeing with someone about such a thing. And totally going apeshit over it because you don't agree.

The latter is a bit zealous. And just makes one look as if they are trying to convince themselves.

Yeah, it's kinda pointless. I'm content knowing that "I don't know the answer" about spirituality, and that Christianity, which does have a lot of good messages, also has a lot of bad messages which people totally ignore. Thus, it isn't for me. I'd prefer something minimalistic, and stronger because it doesn't have all the extra fluff. But... again... I don't put much time into arguing about it on internet forums anymore. I know what I need to about the pyschos that debate the other direction, and that it's impossible to reason with them. I think you're one of the most intelligent people on these forums, which again, is why I still don't get why you're so christian. However, since I think you're a pretty cool guy, and intelligent, I respect you so I'll only occasionally poke fun of your beliefs, but not attack them.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

Christianity, ... has a lot of bad messages which people totally ignore. Thus, it isn't for me.

Oh really? Please enlighten us all.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

Christianity, which does have a lot of good messages, also has a lot of bad messages which people totally ignore. Thus, it isn't for me. I'd prefer something minimalistic, and stronger because it doesn't have all the extra fluff.

Well, I'm glad that whatever YOU have makes you stable.

-t

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by Railroader

Oh really? Please enlighten us all.

How about punishing people in Gods name. Discrimination, intolerance etc.

[residentEvil]

Christianity and Amway go hand in hand. They just don't take no for an answer. When someone doesn't want to hear about it or says no thanks not for me, they come on even stronger.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

How about punishing people in Gods name. Discrimination, intolerance etc.

But YOU are REALLY tolerant and non-discriminating towards the Christians...

-t

[GranolaBoy]

Originally Posted by turtle777

But YOU are REALLY tolerant and non-discriminating towards the Christians...

-t

He's already established that he'll screw the gay ones. What more do you want?

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by turtle777

But YOU are REALLY tolerant and non-discriminating towards the Christians...

-t

Ya, like I said I dated some gay ones and am friends with many straight ones. Difference is they don't bark out discrimination all day trying to suppress human rights if they don't follow their rules.

I don't say Christians shouldn't have the same rights as others, I say they have no right to tell others what they have rights to do.

I also don't go beating up Christians.

So

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

I also don't go beating up Christians.

Well, I do. Does that make me gay ?

-t

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by turtle777

Well, I do. Does that make me gay ?

-t

Show me one case of a gay man beating up a Christian. Just one.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

Show me one case of a gay man beating up a Christian. Just one.

Oh for Pete's sake.
First YOU bring it up as a joke. Than I counter it as a joke.
And now you take it seriously ? WTF ?

-t

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by turtle777

Oh for Pete's sake.
First YOU bring it up as a joke. Than I counter it as a joke.
And now you take it seriously ? WTF ?

-t

Yours was a joke?

Oh right, that language barrier thing again.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

Yours was a joke?
Oh right, that language barrier thing again.

Are you a retard or what ?

What else did you think these emoticons meant : ?

-t

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by residentEvil

Christianity and Amway go hand in hand. They just don't take no for an answer. When someone doesn't want to hear about it or says no thanks not for me, they come on even stronger.

It's not the Christians that make these threads.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

Show me one case of a gay man beating up a Christian. Just one.

Shoe me one Christian in this forum that has beat up a gay man.

[residentEvil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

It's not the Christians that make these threads.

I would have said more like 50/50. I read them all to try to learn/understand when I can, but either way that is how I view most of it