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wyatt
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Well, my biggest complaint is the loss of the Apple Menu, which I could configure as complex as I needed.

This Dock thing is just too juvenile. It's the kiddie Duplo block version.
     
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I came along this morning and looked at a couple posts here and had this great analogy lined up about how internet forums are like hen houses. You walk in and the rooster sees you but keeps quiet. As soon as you walk out, however, he starts puttin' up a huge fuss and makes a lot of noise.

Anyway, I'm glad to see that some are lettin' the monkey off.
     
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Originally Posted by imacfly View Post
I came along this morning and looked at a couple posts here and had this great analogy lined up about how internet forums are like hen houses. You walk in and the rooster sees you but keeps quiet. As soon as you walk out, however, he starts puttin' up a huge fuss and makes a lot of noise.

Anyway, I'm glad to see that some are lettin' the monkey off.
Your point being? Nevermind, I think I know. You think everyone should check and make sure you are "online" before they post in your thread.
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Mar 25, 2007, 10:15 PM
 
this thread is ridiculous.

if you hate OS X so much, either use something else or bugger off... we've got better things to do than solve your petty qualms with an operating system that trumps OS 9 in almost every department
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I agree with pyrite. The reality of the situation is that you can't use OS 9 forever. I love OS 9 don't get me wrong. I still have it on my Digital Audio. But OS X is superior in everyway. It runs way faster and smoother than OS 9 and I can run all the latest apps.
     
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Mar 25, 2007, 11:02 PM
 
I have one good thing to add about OS X, and one not so good thing.

The good thing -- OS X has dramatically revived interest in the Macintosh computers. Of course some might claim it's the iPod that did this, but I don't really think that's the whole story. I work at a facility where instruments and spacecraft are built for Earth orbiting and interplanetary applications. We have ~ 5000 "rocket scientists" here. Back in the OS 9 days, about 15% of this organization was using Macs, the rest were using PCs. Over the last 5 years or so, as people got exposed to Mac OS X, the number of Mac users here has grown to 40% or more of the organization. Now that Parallels is out, my employer makes it very easy, making the latest Intel Macs available with Parallels and Windows Xp pre-installed and configured. More and more of the engineers and managers are switching to Macs, I think the Macs may outnumber the PCs soon, with Parallels they keep the access to WIndows if it's needed for something. If Apple had stuck with OS 9, this resurgence in interest in the Mac would probably not have happened.

Now my OS X complaint -- it's not easy to share just a folder or two like one used to be able to do in OS 9. I understand the reasons for this, which have to do with Unix architectures, but I liked the ability to share certain specified folders in OS 9. There is a program called Sharepoints that does something like this in OS X, but it is not a perfect solution and it would be nicer if this functionality were built into OS X.
     
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Originally Posted by steve626 View Post
Now my OS X complaint -- it's not easy to share just a folder or two like one used to be able to do in OS 9. I understand the reasons for this, which have to do with Unix architectures, but I liked the ability to share certain specified folders in OS 9. There is a program called Sharepoints that does something like this in OS X, but it is not a perfect solution and it would be nicer if this functionality were built into OS X.
There is nothing in the unix architecture that would prevent Apple doing this (it would have to be done differently to in OS 9, but it could still be done easily). In fact Apple HAVE done it in the server version of Mac OS X. Therefore, I think the only reason they have not done it in the standard version, is that they want to make it a selling point for the more expensive server version. It's just marketting. Very sad really, that they would dumb-down the system like this.
     
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Mar 26, 2007, 01:42 AM
 
I'm sure I saw a screenshot of Leopard with the ability to share any folder (as part of the sharing pref pane). ... yes just found the shot, see here: Leopard 9A377a Gallery | 04.jpg

Here's hoping that's what I think it is and they keep it in.


In response to the post above about the Apple Menu, I agree and think Apple probably just took it out to make X seem more different from Windows. Although I don't need it myself, I think for beginners it's a lot easier to find an app in a menu than expecting them to explore the Applications' folder in the Finder or using Spotlight to search for an app they may not know the proper name of.
     
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Yes, but in OSX when you do the same thing, you do not get any such message window. Moreover, in OSX hitting the power button is the equivalent of hitting shut down. As someone else pointed out I really do not see why this would annoy somebody, if you do nothing, the computer will shut itself down in two minutes. It is a safety feature. Do you really need the gratification of seeing your OS shut down that second? If you want no window just hold down the power button for a few seconds. It is also worth pointing out that OSX is designed to never shutdown. In down time, the system performs automatic maintenance functions.

For what it is worth there are a few things in OSX that annoy me. First, the ability to color folders was nicer in OS 9.

Second, the Services menu is poorly implemented. When I right click or use the option key, the services options should be included in the menu, but it is not. Of course, there are third party utilities to give you greater control over what is seen in your right click (option key) menu's, but this should be implemented at the OS level.

Third, it is annoying that your application Window can actually go under the dock, and then you cannot click on that part of the windows.

Fourth, I overall like Apple's Mail program, but it does lack a feature that every other email program out there has. Namely, the ability to fully open an email, and then advance to the next email without first shutting that email down and selecting a new one.

Overall, OSX is a lot better then OS 9. OS 9 crashed all the time. It generally didn't matter if the OS or an application was the problem, the whole OS was going down. In the eight years I've used OSX applications sometimes crash, but the whole OS has only crashed maybe twice (and that happened around version 10.0). That alone is worth switching to OSX. There are plenty of other worthwhile features as well.

I will also add two more comments. One, people always say how the Finder sucks, but never tell us why. It doesn't bother me. Two, unlike OS 9, OSX is designed for multiple users. Accordingly, for many people user names and passwords make sense. I do not want my kid stumbling upon my porn collection or trashing documents. However, if your the only one using the computer, or restricted access isn't a concern for you, enable automatic login. You will never see the username and password prompt unless you are attempting to change your system folder (hard to complain about that since OSX in much more secure then OS 9 or any Windows OS) .

Originally Posted by kick52 View Post
i dont think so.

that is when you hit the power button on the keyboard or whatever, not when you select shut down/etc. from 'special'

(afaik)
     
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Yes, but in OSX when you do the same thing, you do not get any such message window. Moreover, in OSX hitting the power button is the equivalent of hitting shut down. As someone else pointed out I really do not see why this would annoy somebody, if you do nothing, the computer will shut itself down in two minutes. It is a safety feature. Do you really need the gratification of seeing your OS shut down that second? If you want no window just hold down the power button for a few seconds. It is also worth pointing out that OSX is designed to never shutdown. In down time, the system performs automatic maintenance functions.

For what it is worth there are a few things in OSX that annoy me. First, the ability to color folders was nicer in OS 9.

Second, the Services menu is poorly implemented. When I right click or use the option key, the services options should be included in the menu, but it is not. Of course, there are third party utilities to give you greater control over what is seen in your right click (option key) menu's, but this should be implemented at the OS level.

Third, it is annoying that your application Window can actually go under the dock, and then you cannot click on that part of the windows.

Fourth, I overall like Apple's Mail program, but it does lack a feature that every other email program out there has. Namely, the ability to fully open an email, and then advance to the next email without first shutting that email down and selecting a new one.

Overall, OSX is a lot better then OS 9. OS 9 crashed all the time. It generally didn't matter if the OS or an application was the problem, the whole OS was going down. In the eight years I've used OSX applications sometimes crash, but the whole OS has only crashed maybe twice (and that happened around version 10.0). That alone is worth switching to OSX. There are plenty of other worthwhile features as well.

I will also add two more comments. One, people always say how the Finder sucks, but never tell us why. It doesn't bother me. Two, unlike OS 9, OSX is designed for multiple users. Accordingly, for many people user names and passwords make sense. I do not want my kid stumbling upon my porn collection or trashing documents. However, if your the only one using the computer, or restricted access isn't a concern for you, enable automatic login. You will never see the username and password prompt unless you are attempting to change your system folder (hard to complain about that since OSX in much more secure then OS 9 or any Windows OS) .

Originally Posted by kick52 View Post
i dont think so.

that is when you hit the power button on the keyboard or whatever, not when you select shut down/etc. from 'special'

(afaik)
     
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Originally Posted by Mrjinglesusa View Post
Troll.
Troll troll.
     
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Originally Posted by monkeybrain View Post
I'm sure I saw a screenshot of Leopard with the ability to share any folder (as part of the sharing pref pane). ... yes just found the shot, see here: Leopard 9A377a Gallery | 04.jpg
Looking at that screenshot I read it as just sharing public folders as it says. Nothing new or exciting there.

One huge disappointment with OSX is how it prevents sharing an entire external harddrive (unless I've missed something). It's sharing of portions of Hard Drives and presenting them as volumes is extremely disorienting. I sorely miss being able to simply mount a harddrive/CD/DVD/Flashdrive full of resources and share it with the whole studio.

This along with printing issues and the fonts mess have played havoc with our productivity. Yes I know we don't get the bombs, but then sometimes I think Apple threw the baby out with the bathwater.
     
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Originally Posted by rubaiyat View Post
Troll troll.
Troll troll troll.
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Did I just read a thread started by someone who, on the verge of the release of 10.5, is complaining about 10.2? And the first deal breaker for him is the Shut Down behavior, and pressing return is too difficult?

I like OS X 10.4 a lot, but I couldn't stand 10.2! And I shut down my computers so seldom I seriously couldn't care less about this behavior.

I do have gripes about 10.4, such as the flakeyness of fonts and font caches. But I'm glad that OS 9 is dead.
     
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Originally Posted by imacfly View Post
Let me just start by saying I'm a card carrying member of the "I'm one of the last to leave OS9 old person's club." Our motto: "I'll switch to OSX when they pry 9 from my cold dead fingers."

Anyway,

Don't tell anyone. I have checked out OSX (what's it been around for, like, 8 years now?) and I now know, at least a few reasons I've remained hidden behind my extentions...
Why does the operating system ask if I'm sure I want to shut down? Is there any way to shut THAT down? Did Mac just wake up one day and think... "you know, I've been over-estimating my user's ability toward decision making... maybe... they haven't REALLY been sure since 1984." Couldn't ol' SJ and the boys pay even a little homage to the original operating system (that made him his first billion) by changing that annoying message (which contributes a little more each time to our inevitable carpall tunnel syndrome) by having it state: "It is now safe to turn off your computer." You know... I just realized... no wait... maybe something I've seen in OSX so far has begun to brainwash me (must resist, must resist). Is the suggested point maybe "why would you want to shut off your computer in first place?" I KNOW! Steve's got somethig going with the electric company!
Get a grip, now. Back to the point. I really think it's the fact that the PC world has always blindly felt they were having a more active roll in making thier computer 'compute' by answering all the mundane "are you sure" questions. After all, what fun is it if I tell the computer to shut down and it just does it?

Next. Why do I have no choice in oSX but to use a glorified version of EasyShare? Is that what it was called? I can't remember for sure. It was the little worthless, and annoying, program that came bundled with the performas. No wait... easy share is a digital camera... The reason I can't remember the app was because it was always the first thing I sought out and trashed. Last thing I needed to set up, back in those days, was something my kids would easily be able to circumvent and trash my blessed 6200.
Well now, thank you STEVE! I've got no choice but to set up user names and passwords and I CAN'T SHUT 'EM OFF! What's that? I can? What do yo mean I have to go into My Account in 10.2 and DESELECT "automatically log in as Jo Blo at startup" in order to turn that log-in screen off?

Seriously (wait... I AM serious... man, see what confusion this all brings) Is there anything about OSX that you don't like? Or didn't like in an earlier version?
wow, you people really need to stop answering. i have never seen someone catch so many fish with such crappy bait
     
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hey kids!
what we have here is simply a lame attention whore who has likely been run out of his last sandbox, and is looking for a new playground full of normal kids to annoy.

do not feed the troll.
     
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One of two things is happening here:

1) You're a troll, looking to get attention

2) You truly believe your complaints, but they are in fact so ridiculous, you should sell your computer and spare us all the pain of your computer ownership. You'll no doubt foam at the mouth at such a comment, but I'm completely serious. If those complaints are serious, then there's absolutely no making you happy and no logical argument that will satisfy you. Given there will be no resolution to the issues which you find so abhorrent, it'd be best just to sell and save you and us the pain of having to confirm a shutdown.
     
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Mar 26, 2007, 05:31 PM
 
In a world where everyone seems to have an opinion, the only one many seem to agree on is that others shouldn't be allowed to express theirs.

It's a computer, not a religion.

...unless I missed the memo...
     
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Oh, sorry. Here it is!

If you're going to dump things on my desk could you P-L-E-A-S-E use the InTray!
     
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Is this the same guy who complained about the iTunes Store?
     
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everyone is welcome to an opinion. and when you express an opinion in a public forum, expect a return of opinions... especially when you use strong language like "hate", backed with completely non-sensical examples.

in this case, many of the readers of the original post have the opinion that this poster is a troll. that is also my opinion.
     
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Originally Posted by rubaiyat View Post
Looking at that screenshot I read it as just sharing public folders as it says. Nothing new or exciting there.

One huge disappointment with OSX is how it prevents sharing an entire external harddrive (unless I've missed something). It's sharing of portions of Hard Drives and presenting them as volumes is extremely disorienting. I sorely miss being able to simply mount a harddrive/CD/DVD/Flashdrive full of resources and share it with the whole studio.
If you look again, you can see there is an empty list and the usual +/- for adding and removing, this is certainly different from the current version and implies you can add more public folders.
     
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Originally Posted by steve626 View Post
Now my OS X complaint -- it's not easy to share just a folder or two like one used to be able to do in OS 9. I understand the reasons for this, which have to do with Unix architectures, but I liked the ability to share certain specified folders in OS 9. There is a program called Sharepoints that does something like this in OS X, but it is not a perfect solution and it would be nicer if this functionality were built into OS X.
I absolutely agree.
     
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Originally Posted by Terrin View Post
unlike OS 9, OSX is designed for multiple users. Accordingly, for many people user names and passwords make sense. I do not want my kid stumbling upon my porn collection
Certainly a lofty reason to have a system fraught with password security. In the mean while, those of us who have nothing to hide are left to jump though hoops to turn it off.
     
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Originally Posted by gskibum3 View Post
Did I just read a thread started by someone who, on the verge of the release of 10.5, is complaining about 10.2? And the first deal breaker for him is the Shut Down behavior, and pressing return is too difficult?

I like OS X 10.4 a lot, but I couldn't stand 10.2! And I shut down my computers so seldom I seriously couldn't care less about this behavior.

I do have gripes about 10.4, such as the flakeyness of fonts and font caches. But I'm glad that OS 9 is dead.
Two questions for you that I hope you'll answer seriously.

When OS10.5 is released are you going to upgrade?

What age were you in 1998 when OS9 was introduced?
     
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Originally Posted by imacfly View Post
Certainly a lofty reason to have a system fraught with password security. In the mean while, those of us who have nothing to hide are left to jump though hoops to turn it off.
I used to feel much the same way when I first started using Mac OS X after coming from Mac OS 9. But it wasn't long before I got used to it and it no longer bothers me at all.

Note that the security system is not just there to protect people with something to hide. It's there to protect everyone against malicious attacks that can occur to any system, especially any system connected to the internet.
     
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Originally Posted by wadesworld View Post
You're a troll, looking to get attention
I've heard that said. Namely by those folk here who can't think of anything more engaging.

On the contrary. I have suggested with this thread what Thomas Watson often would suggest. Think. And to what Steve Jobs once held. Think 'different.' Now I think all he can think is 'think quick, think cheap and think again if you think Apple Care's gonna cover THAT!"

Some people have been helped by this thread in that they've expressed concerns about aspects of the operating system that they may never, heretofore, had reason to admit for fear of the retaliation you're thowing my way. Finder problems, Dock troubles and the inability to network as was once possible. Folk are layin' out the problem and other folks are helpin' out.

Who knows, maybe they never dared pose such questions thanks to some of 'ye high and mighties' who can't admit to faults they've seen yet who'll be the first in line to leave the already perfect 10.4 in the trashbarrel of time once the next "OScat" makes it's appearance.
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Originally Posted by monkeybrain View Post
If you look again, you can see there is an empty list and the usual +/- for adding and removing, this is certainly different from the current version and implies you can add more public folders.
I saw that and I hope you are right that it does more, but if it is just more public folders it is just more of the same.

To use Public folders you have to relocate items into them, not where you would naturally organise them. This can mean massive disruption or massive duplication.

The point of "resource" folders/volumes is to keep a large quantity of archived work, clipart, photos, templates, audio, video etc available for use but without moving them. OSX makes sharing the volume they reside upon if not impossible, extremely difficult and only using unstatisfactory workarounds.

In OS9 it was as simple as selecting the volume icon, getting info and sharing it.

Sharepoints is as close as I can get to that in OSX and it doesn't let you share external drives or entire volumes.

I'm open to other suggestions, if anyone has any.
     
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Originally Posted by rtbarry View Post
everyone is welcome to an opinion. and when you express an opinion in a public forum, expect a return of opinions... especially when you use strong language like "hate", backed with completely non-sensical examples.

in this case, many of the readers of the original post have the opinion that this poster is a troll. that is also my opinion.
Many? More like a few.

I think that just marks them as Mac Red Necks, protectin' their turf from anybody with a different opinion.

You sound like you only want to hear your own opinion confirmed.

...and that is my opinion.
     
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Originally Posted by imacfly
Why does the operating system ask if I'm sure I want to shut down? Is there any way to shut THAT down?
⌃⌥⌘-eject key

Originally Posted by Terrin
Second, the Services menu is poorly implemented. When I right click or use the option key, the services options should be included in the menu, but it is not. Of course, there are third party utilities to give you greater control over what is seen in your right click (option key) menu's, but this should be implemented at the OS level.
:/ I see where you're coming from, but...

I've got around thirty contextual menu items at root level.
I've got over forty Services in my Services menu.

If the Services menu was integrated as a CM item, it'd take me longer to get to the relevant Service.
     
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Originally Posted by imacfly View Post
Certainly a lofty reason to have a system fraught with password security. In the mean while, those of us who have nothing to hide are left to jump though hoops to turn it off.
As your computer is evidently connected to the internet, if you think that you are the only user with the potential to access it, you are seriously deluded.
     
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Originally Posted by Brass View Post
There is nothing in the unix architecture that would prevent Apple doing this (it would have to be done differently to in OS 9, but it could still be done easily). In fact Apple HAVE done it in the server version of Mac OS X. Therefore, I think the only reason they have not done it in the standard version, is that they want to make it a selling point for the more expensive server version. It's just marketting. Very sad really, that they would dumb-down the system like this.
It's part of the general move towards forced organization that occurred with 10.0 - that all of a user's shared info should be in one folder. They're now stepping back from that (with Spotlight) so we might see a change in Leopard.
     
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Mar 27, 2007, 08:51 AM
 
I wonder if it's possible for anyone to point out downfalls in Apple's operating systems and software in any way without making people flame them, think they're trolls, etc. etc.

Some people just don't like features of OS X and its software. It's not the end of the world. It's okay to vent sometimes.

I like OS X pretty much, but I do agree with others that the Finder needs a serious redesign. I hate trying to find files and go through things on a Mac, especially when it's someone else's. Unless I know the exact file structure of whatever it is I'm trying to get to, finding things is really a PITA.
     
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I completely support the OP right to express his opinions, however his "complaints" are so weak that I can easily see why people are making light of it. The confirmation button on shutdown is such a nit-picky thing that it's pointless to talk about at all. The only "complaint" I see that even needs to be addressed is the multiple users issue because this is where imacfly isn't making any sense. Having a user setup with a secure password is less for physical intrusion on your system and more to protect it from threats when online. If you did not have an account with a password setup for authorization, any website that tries to push a file to you would be able to install it without authorization (yes, gross generalization, but I think it makes my point). When you think about this "issue" in the context of why it exists, the only real answer is that the OP needs to get with modern times and try to understand WHY the OS is a certain way before complaining about it. Oh, and as someone else said earlier, if these "complaints" actually had substance people might not be so flippant about it.

Overall I think Mac OS X is far and away the best desktop OS to ever be released, however this doesn't make it perfect. There are a number of things I don't like about it, but most of them are small details and/or issues regarding the way I like to work. You have to be pragmatic when looking at an OS and think about everyone else too, nost just what you like. Hell, the thing that bugs me the most about OS X vs 9 is that when you auto-resize a window in the finder using the green button, it doesn't always grow or shrink to fit all the icons properly. Actually every version of Classic that I can think of did this correctly. As much as this bugs me though, I'm not gonna go around saying how much I hate OS X since so many other things have improved over the years.

Stop being resistent to change. Try something new for a while. Try to work the way it wants to work, then try to tweak it to make it work your way. Once you get used to it you'll probably love it, I couldn't even imagine switching back to OS 9 now, even if it was fully supported with new apps.
     
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Mar 27, 2007, 09:42 PM
 
Your complaints are noted but this thread has been here in one way or another at least 20 times in a row and it always leads to the same ending. The person is unhappy with Mac OS X and wants the old operating system back. They think Steve Jobs is the cause of all their problems. I got some advice for you: go back to Mac OS 9. No one cares!
     
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If you are done with your silly complaints you might want to consider reading about the history of complaints about Mac OS X and how people were able to cope with the new operating system. I think it might make a geezer like you feel better.
Mac OS X - Finally
[URL="http://arstechnica.com/reviews/01q2/macos-x-final/macos-x-1.html"]John Siracusa Mac OS X review/URL]
     
rubaiyat
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Mar 27, 2007, 11:00 PM
 
It's true that we all in the end just give in to change, no matter whether it has been for the better or not.

Despite my disatisfaction with many aspects of OSX I have stuck with it since v10.0. In hindsight I would have been much better ignoring it till at least v 10.2.3 but then I wasn't to know that. I would not go back now, ignoring that the Classic Mac has been cast aside, because the positives of OSX now well outstrip the negatives.

May I point out though that those flaming the critics of OSX haven't changed in all the time I have been on forums discussing it, even when it sucked something rotten.

It is very hard to argue with people who "find" their evidence in the sales brochure rather than the actual shipping product. Any attempts to point out the discrepencies between the two rapidly descends into accusations of disloyalty to the brand. It's the old Commies under the beds routine, "If you're not with us, your agin us!"

I can empathise with the OP because I still use both OSes and can feel the difference moving from one to the other. If OS8.6 (the most stable classic Mac OS) was shipping today as a new product people would comment on its lack of security and modern memory protection but they would also admire it for its snappiness, low hardware requirements, intuitiveness and productivity.

Mostly they would be commenting on its ease of use and wondering why OSX and Windows couldn't learn something from that.

It is 7 years down the track and coming up to the 6th release of OSX. One would expect that things would have improved in that time but also wonder why so much that was truely worthwhile has not just been abandoned but vilified as the wrong model for computing.

I miss the consistency, transparency and thoroughly thought out GUI and I can not understand why the shift to the security of UNIX makes those objectives any less valuable.
     
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Mar 27, 2007, 11:04 PM
 
Yeah and Mail.app, really, I'll never move off PineMail, and really what's with all these fonts, telnet is where the Internet is at.



Yeah, it's got some issues. My white iBook is several years old, and still ticking though.

I do have a hard time with people just taking pot shots. This is a great forum, and there is a wealth of information here. The leap from 10.2 to 10.4 is tremendous in terms of feature set and stability. There are plenty of areas for improvement, but none of them would make me prefer any MacOS prior to 10.4, or any Windows version.

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What I find interesting about the original post is that 2 of his 3 complaints concern something that I almost never do: shut down and log in. He asked, rhetorically, who ever needs to use "About this Mac," but in fact I probably access it more often than I shut down (to check the version number or get to the More Info... stuff).

It's like that old joke about the guy who goes to the doctor with a sore arm. "It only hurts when I raise my arm." "So don't raise your arm." (In case you missed the subtle analogy, the suggestion would be "So don't shut down.").
     
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Mar 28, 2007, 01:23 AM
 
a valid point... i don't know about you guys, but i only shut down my mac once every couple of weeks anyway (if that), and one extra click certainly doesn't make my life particularly difficult... but then i'm not a girly bitch
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Originally Posted by kalemba View Post
wow, you people really need to stop answering. i have never seen someone catch so many fish with such crappy bait
     
tinkered
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My problem with OS9 is the find file feature. I hate how at midnight (the prime web surfing or Warcraft II hour) it opens a indexing window, monopolizes my hard drive, and slows my system to a crawl. Not only that but sherlock takes forever to open and rarely finds what I am looking for unless I use the search criteria that worked with the old find feature.

I wish I had stayed with 7.5.5, it rarely crashed on me and ran well on my old systems, like my 200 MHz Perform 6400.
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mitchell_pgh
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Mar 28, 2007, 04:21 PM
 
OS 9 is D E A D.

Anyone using OS 9 at this point either:
- needs OS 9 for some odd application that died years ago but is critical for a unique task
- blinded by the future and are happy letting technology pass them by...

I can name a few "oh, I remember that OS 9 did XYZ really well" but the reality is, OS X has dwarfed it in just about every way imaginable. The thought of one application bringing down my entire system makes me cringe. Sure, I could "get" OS 9 to be stable, but it usually made me do the extensions dance.

No way... OS X forever...
     
rtbarry
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Originally Posted by rubaiyat View Post
Many? More like a few.
count again. many. not most. many. as in more than a few or some.


Originally Posted by rubaiyat View Post
I think that just marks them as Mac Red Necks, protectin' their turf from anybody with a different opinion.

You sound like you only want to hear your own opinion confirmed.

...and that is my opinion.
rednecks? i think you have computer users confused with NASCAR fans.

who doesn't want their opinions confirmed, or at least discussed reasonably? oh yeah, i know who... trolls.

i don't expect everyone to agree with me. that would make the world a pretty boring place. and i guess there is a good chance that this person isn't actually trolling. he might really mean it. he could be that annoying guy at the office. the guy that girls run from. the guy you see from a distance, and go out of your way to avoid a conversation with. the persistent contrarian whose "opinions" arise from the constant need for attention, which can't otherwise be garnered through normal interactions.

so to restate my opinion: troll.
     
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Mar 28, 2007, 07:53 PM
 
If you miss OS 9, you might be interested in a little app I wrote a couple of years ago that will bring back one of OS 9's characteristic behaviors to OS X: OS9Experience

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Originally Posted by ApeInTheShell View Post
The person is unhappy with Mac OS X and wants the old operating system back.
I'm not saying bring back OS9. I'm just wondering why they've tossed out so many things that they already had working in the system originally (others here have brought up good points regarding this). Also, why they've added certain things that were never used (like the login crap and the brain-dead question about restarting and shutting down).
     
rtbarry
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Mar 28, 2007, 08:18 PM
 
thanks charles. works just like i remember it ;-)
     
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Mar 28, 2007, 08:32 PM
 
Originally Posted by sailin74 View Post
Yeah, it's got some issues. My white iBook is several years old, and still ticking though.
Wait! I've got the Guiness people on the phone! No... not the beer company. Actually, I shouldn't complain about the white ibooks as those broken down things have made me a bit of money.
Originally Posted by sailin74 View Post
I do have a hard time with people just taking pot shots. The leap from 10.2 to 10.4 is tremendous
I know what you mean about pot shots. However, if you read anything of mine besides the first post you'd see there's more to it that what you first misread. You'd also have seen that I'm not at OS10.2.
     
imacfly  (op)
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Originally Posted by tinkered View Post
My problem with OS9 is the find file feature. I hate how at midnight (the prime web surfing or Warcraft II hour) it opens a indexing window, monopolizes my hard drive, and slows my system to a crawl.
Yes, but at least there's a way to turn that OFF in OS9. I challenge any of you high and mighty OS10.4 users to tell me how that is done with the shutoff/restart warning. Bet you can't. Third party utilities don't count, btw.
     
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Mar 28, 2007, 08:50 PM
 
For those of you who hate the word HATE so much so that you come into this thread yelling, "How dare you #@!!^+% OS9 retarded witch! Go back to the %(#!!!_&$ prehistoric hole from which you've come (no wait... you would have said 'prehistoric hole you came from") and NEVER RETURN to our haven of true mac followers!"

Anyway,

Here's a way for you to truely get me back... Now, this isn't a tirck question... I really want to know. Booted from a Norton Utilities 7 disk would I screw up something if I ran disk doctor on my drive which has OS10.3?
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