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Jul 11, 2017, 02:11 PM
 
Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
Or, you know, make movies that ignore garbage like identity politics in the first place. As for Marvel, they know it's killing their comics, but I guess they insist on infecting their movies as well. Oh well, the market will sort it out, they'll learn.
But that is the other side of including more diverse characters - if your sales drop, that is the perfect excuse. EA does this all the time when a Bioware game underperforms, and even used it as part of its defense why it shouldn't be named America's worst company twice in a row. I don't read comics regularly, I don't know why sales drop, but my first assumption is always that it is because the comics are bad.

(Personally I think that its great when stories include characters of different backgrounds,genders, races etc, but it gives me pause when you take an established character and change their background completely, which is what Marvel seems to be doing lately. That is just me, though, and I don't claim to be representative for the comic-buying public - in fact, it is probably more likely that the stories are just not good.)
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But that is the other side of including more diverse characters - if your sales drop, that is the perfect excuse. EA does this all the time when a Bioware game underperforms, and even used it as part of its defense why it shouldn't be named America's worst company twice in a row. I don't read comics regularly, I don't know why sales drop, but my first assumption is always that it is because the comics are bad.

(Personally I think that its great when stories include characters of different backgrounds,genders, races etc, but it gives me pause when you take an established character and change their background completely, which is what Marvel seems to be doing lately. That is just me, though, and I don't claim to be representative for the comic-buying public - in fact, it is probably more likely that the stories are just not good.)
Two things;
1. The social justice comics that Marvel has been foisting are bad. In fact, they're not just bad, they're patently awful. In Miss America (yeah, that's really her name), the titular character (a teenage, lesbian, black, latina) spent 14 pages going on and on about her female love interest, followed by 6 pages complaining about why people don't care about her romance? (As if people should, like standing around admiring the romances of others is a thing.) In fact, there was no real villain, no motivation for her (beyond the love interest), and no plot. It was a Seinfeld episode, but without comedy.

2. Adding more characters is great, there should always be new ones, but for the love of Peter Parker stop trying to replace all the fan favorite characters, who often happen to be white males, with minorities and women. Make new characters, but if they fail, stop trying to cannibalize existing, well-loved titles to advance a pro-diversity agenda. Thor doesn't need boobs, Iron Man doesn't need to become a teenage black girl, and Captain America doesn't need to be villainized and turned into a freaking Nazi. (FFS?!?!) I can go on with these, no staple characters have been left untouched, and to say that the vast majority of comics fans are miffed is an understatement (88% as of the last reader poll).

So while the MCU is firing on all cylinders, more or less, Marvel the comics company is on life support and dying a gruesome, protracted death, and they're taking the entire industry with them, as <40% of comics stores that were around just 8 years ago are still in business. I had to partner with my own local store to keep it alive, and while I love being a store co-owner, having a comics store has always been a lifelong dream, it's certainly a money pit right now, since so many fans have went into hibernation over all this crap.
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Jul 12, 2017, 03:48 AM
 
1. This is what I have heard as well. That is enough of a reason to stop reading those series, in my opinion.

(It also strikes me as insanely stupid to call your fans racist homophobes, which is what that Marvel VP you linked to basically said. I know some comic fans, and racist homophobes is not a term I'd use to describe them.)

2. I wonder why they changed all their characters at the same time. There must be a plan here somewhere.

3 (or whatever. The comics store thing). I think that the dedicated comics store is not long for this world in any case. It is precisely the type of business that gets out-competed by the Internet, and now that you can read comics on an iPad, that will only accelerate. If Amazon can kill book stores, they can certainly kill comic stores.
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Jul 12, 2017, 10:01 AM
 
Comics stores are a community hub for the misfits and artistic types, aka. nerds, and I love nerds. We stand and talk for hours about comics, gaming, politics, and general geek culture, and during that we sell comics and cards. A potential comic store employee's best quality is to be a conversationalist (along with being a font of endless comic lore), and we're one of the few places in the offline world where nerds go to get their fix for human contact (and we have free wifi, soft drinks, and game tables). One thing bumped up sales, we hired a RL girl full-time. Along with knowing the appropriate subjects, and being a first-rate MTG player, she's really cute (redhead!). The male customers may not have the guts to actually look her in the eyes, but they do like to see her. She's kind of developed her own cult following.

I guess I did exaggerate our losses a little, most months we almost break even (which is all that really matters to me), I just wish more of our business came from comics sales. If it weren't for card games, we'd be seriously hurting.
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Jul 12, 2017, 11:31 AM
 
A lot of the surviving stores in our area survived by diversifying - selling manga/anime/board games/etc.
     
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Jul 12, 2017, 12:19 PM
 
Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
One thing bumped up sales, we hired a RL girl full-time. Along with knowing the appropriate subjects, and being a first-rate MTG player, she's really cute (redhead!). The male customers may not have the guts to actually look her in the eyes, but they do like to see her. She's kind of developed her own cult following.
I've seen this succeed with a plain looking girl who knows nothing about comics.

The reason it worked was her being open to learning. Everyone suddenly had a blank slate upon which to impress their opinions of various comics... an irresistible lure.
     
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Jul 18, 2017, 01:35 PM
 
Saw Spiderman at the drive-in. Enjoyed it a lot. Michael Keaton is awesome. Plot holes? Sure.

 
     
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2. I wonder why they changed all their characters at the same time. There must be a plan here somewhere.
I'm beginning to think the entire plan for these artists is to make each facet of daily living an advertisement for SJW values.

The comic industry has always skewed progressive, which is fine, except when the message is so ham-fisted that you don't even know if there's an actual story present. I love Miles Morales (who happens to have the coolest Spidey costume ever, IMHO), and I enjoyed his comic without complaint until the arrival of a little YouTube girl who sees his skin through the torn costume and uploads a video saying, "The new Spider-man is a person of color!" It didn't matter. He was a good character until they forced an unnecessary agenda into the mix.

It felt natural until they made it unnatural, and that's Marvel's problem across their entire line. It actually feels spiteful, which is a terrible tone to let resonate for so long.

[EDIT] I failed to mention that I'm still loving DC's output right now. Red Hood and the Outlaw's has been fantastic, as well as the Superman and Detective Comics lines. I'm also a big fan of Francis Manapul — Trinity #2 (I believe) had two pages that actually left me misty-eyed.
     
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Jul 20, 2017, 02:40 PM
 
I checked and DC is selling at 88% of Marvel at our store right now. Talk about unnatural. It makes sense, though. DC is writing great stories, for the most part, while Marvel is boring their fans to tears (when they aren't forcing an agenda down their throats).
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Jul 21, 2017, 01:56 PM
 
Strikes me that Spiderman would fit in better with the Defenders, rather than the Avengers. Being a "neighborhood" spiderman, and all.
     
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^^He was a member of the Defenders many times.
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Aug 19, 2017, 10:43 AM
 
Defenders was quite good, I thought. It got a bit crowded with all the sidekicks, but the ending made sense as a payoff, and I like the hints about where they're going with future shows, namely
 
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Michael Keaton is awesome.[/spoiler]
That's pretty much a given. He must win some kind of award for being the most underused actor over the course of a career.
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Aug 20, 2017, 06:04 AM
 
I'll put this here as it's semi marvel relevant. Excellent interview with Todd Mcfarlane about his work and career and stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvKb...&feature=share

Slightly a shame that his brave words about ownership of work etc seemed to vanish when he pulled a job on Neil Gaimen, but still a good watch.
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Aug 20, 2017, 07:14 AM
 
I heard Marvel were gearing up to pull all their content for their own streaming service. Not sure how wise that is. Netflix is working well for them.
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Aug 20, 2017, 12:30 PM
 
Thor 1 and 2 were rubbish, but the trailer for Thor 3 has me reasonably excited.
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Aug 20, 2017, 01:48 PM
 
Seems to be following GotG format soundtrack-wise.
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I heard Marvel were gearing up to pull all their content for their own streaming service. Not sure how wise that is. Netflix is working well for them.
Disney is pulling their content but specifically did not mention pulling Marvel or Star Wars stuff. They're clearly still negotiating.

Note that the Marvel series on Netflix are Netflix produced, Disney can't pull them even if they wanted. I don't know the deal they have, but likely Netflix can keep making those series as long as they make financial sense. I think Marvel is quite OK with that - those shows are about three (or I guess four now) second string characters and one that already failed in a blockbuster. Making something out of them is hard, and Netflix is making Marvel look good with their hard work.
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Aug 20, 2017, 09:04 PM
 
Thats why I question it. Yes, if any single studio can get away with it its Disney what with them being everyone's favourite DVD babysitters but I'd imagine such a move would hurt their disc sales and if they don't offer every Disney movie ever at all times. Their preferred affluent market may not go for it if they feel they still have to buy DVDs as well when there is another Frozen must have on a loop and they can't stream it as part of their $15pm package.
As for the rest of us, having Netflix and Amazon and getting 90% of whats about is ok. People don't want to end up with too many subscriptions.
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Aug 21, 2017, 01:56 AM
 
They can lure people in with a subset of their catalog and then gouge them on the "Princess Package", where they don't play musical mice with the content.
     
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Aug 21, 2017, 09:13 AM
 
Yeah I guess ultimately they'll have everyone over a repetitive, tantrum-throwing, child-shaped barrel.
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